“Nothing to do with systems”

[ShockingBadBuy]

Wilder’s post-match interview for Radio Sheff just now was vintage stuff. Asked in the opening question for his assessment of the loss, his immediate answer was “it was nothing to do with systems” (trans: “not my fault, guv”).

Ok, dreadful defensive errors by players in all three goals, and a questionable pen. But, I’m afraid that playing sterile U-shaped walking football with one up top for 70-odd minutes is ENTIRELY about systems, and, quite aside from defensive errors, was a major contributory factor to why we could not win, or draw, that game. Yet again.

Fine, throw the players under the bus. They deserve it today (Callum OH, and maybe SamMcCallum, apart). But fuck me, have the self-awareness and humility to accept a share of the blame.

 

[Bladedog]

Wilder’s post-match interview for Radio Sheff just now was vintage stuff. Asked in the opening question for his assessment of the loss, his immediate answer was “it was nothing to do with systems” (trans: “not my fault, guv”).

Ok, dreadful defensive errors by players in all three goals, and a questionable pen. But, I’m afraid that playing sterile U-shaped walking football with one up top for 70-odd minutes is ENTIRELY about systems, and, quite aside from defensive errors, was a major contributory factor to why we could not win, or draw, that game. Yet again.

Fine, throw the players under the bus. They deserve it today (Callum OH, and maybe SamMcCallum, apart). But fuck me, have the self-awareness and humility to accept a share of the blame.

Will never happen

 

[Houston_Blade]

It’s not about systems because we don’t appear to have one.

 

[54yrblade]

He cannot accept that anything negative is down to him.

Started with Leicester away in the PL 1 visit under him.

It's what he does and who he is.

And it's dreadful.

 

[wadblade]

Well it wasnt about systems
suicide football they never created a chance in open play and won 3 -0

 

[Guesty]

Wilder not taking any blame reflects the cowardice the players showed on the pitch. A team built in his image, whatever he say to the contrary.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Thanks for this thread. Reminded me of this forgotten masterpiece of a song from a better time.

 

[Menage a petit pois]

We need leaders...we get sheep. Simple.

 

[Addison]

Sheffield United - Wilder: 'We've not defended well enough' - BBC Sounds

Chris Wilder reacts to Sheffield United's 3-1 loss against Derby County at Bramall Lane.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[HighfieldBlade]

Let's drop the GCB at the start of the second half. How's that for a system change? It was embarrassing how quickly we conceded that second!

 

[Viewfromthepavilion]

Wilder’s post-match interview for Radio Sheff just now was vintage stuff. Asked in the opening question for his assessment of the loss, his immediate answer was “it was nothing to do with systems” (trans: “not my fault, guv”).

Ok, dreadful defensive errors by players in all three goals, and a questionable pen. But, I’m afraid that playing sterile U-shaped walking football with one up top for 70-odd minutes is ENTIRELY about systems, and, quite aside from defensive errors, was a major contributory factor to why we could not win, or draw, that game. Yet again.

Fine, throw the players under the bus. They deserve it today (Callum OH, and maybe SamMcCallum, apart). But fuck me, have the self-awareness and humility to accept a share of the blame.

Can anyone remember a time when Wilder accepted any form of responsibility ?. I genuinely cannot. A busted flush. Cracked the first time (who can fail to remember Crystal Palace away (2-0) & his overheard comments at full time, a match covered by Sky), bottled it the second time (who can fail to remember Sunderland at Wembley, plus Oxford, Millwall, Plymouth in a truly memorable week). What comes next ?. By continually picking weak links (eg, Peck) saying players can only last for 60 mins (eg, Campbell) leaving out players more deserving of a chance than others (Seriki, One), playing people out of their best position (Tanganga), then it is likely we will continue to struggle.
Humility goes a long way, try it for once Wilder & stop making excuses of others failings / weaknesses & admit your own.
Clearly the owners have no idea what they are doing & have failed in their original intention of gaining promotion to the promised land with the intent to make a quick buck for their 'many' investors & have reverted to what they think is best !!.
No leadership in the boardroom = no accountability in management = no leadership on the pitch = a faiing / underperforming team = possible relegation & increasing financial concerns.
Being an atheist, God help us

 

[1889]

The whole sorry state we find ourselves in is all about systems. Wilder’s system, passing the ball back and forth between the back four, midfield, back four, midfield, wing back, midfield, back four……is killing us.
The obsession with ball retention has made us so slow and painfully predictable. It’s little wonder that many of the players rarely break out of a jog, why would they need to when the transition from defence to attack is so slow. All whilst the opposition are getting back and set in position. I honestly believe that is why, when someone does make a run, and look to cross, they’re supporting players are still twenty yards behind play.
It’s terrible to watch, particularly without a player like Davies, Hamer or even Arblaster, who can actually see a forward pass.
The irony is our best chances invariably occur when someone plays a hurried long pass out of defence and we nick the second ball.

 

[Panini]

It's especially sour when you consider the shite he came out with at the start of his second spell.

Some bollocks about using his time out of the game to look at himself and learn from mistakes. Sorry I can't be bothered to find it but it's out there.

I don't know if he was following advice for what to say but nothing could be further from reality.

Nothing is ever his fault. No buck ever stops with him. It's never his job to find solutions, change things, freshen up, invent, implement ideas.

 

[Stretch]

Its about a lot of things. But let's start with a team who has former defenders and both manager and assistant manager, but who can't seem to defend.

 

[Tarqs]

I blame Selles and his staff.

 

[Bell4]

Wilder’s post-match interview for Radio Sheff just now was vintage stuff. Asked in the opening question for his assessment of the loss, his immediate answer was “it was nothing to do with systems” (trans: “not my fault, guv”).

Ok, dreadful defensive errors by players in all three goals, and a questionable pen. But, I’m afraid that playing sterile U-shaped walking football with one up top for 70-odd minutes is ENTIRELY about systems, and, quite aside from defensive errors, was a major contributory factor to why we could not win, or draw, that game. Yet again.

Fine, throw the players under the bus. They deserve it today (Callum OH, and maybe SamMcCallum, apart). But fuck me, have the self-awareness and humility to accept a share of the blame.

What would you have done differently?

 

[Slim Man]

It's especially sour when you consider the shite he came out with at the start of his second spell.

Some bollocks about using his time out of the game to look at himself and learn from mistakes. Sorry I can't be bothered to find it but it's out there.

I don't know if he was following advice for what to say but nothing could be further from reality.

Nothing is ever his fault. No buck ever stops with him. It's never his job to find solutions, change things, freshen up, invent, implement ideas.

He won't even drop his little project in centre mid, nevermind anything else

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

This is the single biggest reason why we’re so shit. We’ve recruited so unbelievable badly, we’re left with a squad who couldn’t perform at the required level if Klopp were in charge.

13 summer signings and the only 1 who has made any kind of positive difference is worse than the player who he replaced (Soumare & Vini).

I can’t bring myself to blame Wilder for this mess, but he needs to work an actual miracle in January to salvage anything from this season.

 

[100% part time blade]

All managers make mistakes. Wilder makes lots of mistakes and doesn’t own up to them. I think our systems this season have been repeatedly at fault.
I don’t think the system was at fault today though, and I don’t think Wilder made big mistakes. Dropped Cannon and Barry which were correct decisions. Started McCallum which was a correct decision. Played a system that limited opportunities for the opposition from open play, and saw us create enough to score at least 2 from a number of decent chances.

The comment I picked up on post-match was the ‘we have to work hard for our goals’ and ‘we don’t get those free headers in the six yard box and a gift misplaced pass to a striker on his own with the keeper to beat, or those penalty decisions’ one. He’s right, but that’s because in a tight division in which we are very much an average side, the opposition just do the basic things adequately, concentrating fully from 1st whistle to last. We don’t. We haven’t been played off the park by anyone, and yet we’ve collected a dismal amount of points. It’s not bad luck.
Last season for us it was play ok for the whole game, make no mistakes, and one good moment of play wins 3 points (e.g. Campbell’s goal in the derby game). This season it’s very similar play, but then we don’t win a basic front-post header at a set piece, pass straight to the opposition, have a moment of key-stone cops defending, and we’re 3-0 down to a Derby side who should be nowhere near that sort of scoreline on a visit to Bramall Lane.
We do not make it hard for teams to get goals against us. Cooper’s form isn’t fantastic; there are weaknesses in the back line; but fundamentally we make far too many mistakes and cough up easy goals that render any talk of systems or formations pointless.

 

[Fjortoft's Aeroplane]

Let's drop the GCB at the start of the second half. How's that for a system change? It was embarrassing how quickly we conceded that second!

It was very distracting too playing it after we had already kicked off. Not a fan of doing it like that.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

It’s not about systems because we don’t appear to have one.

Was about to say the same!

For the second season in a row our 'system' under Wilder appears to be playing without a proper RB and playing as many players he can ahead of Seriki....

 

[Lane Ender]

In the last third of the pitch when attacking we are clueless

 

[andy m]

Was about to say the same!

For the second season in a row our 'system' under Wilder appears to be playing without a proper RB and playing as many players he can ahead of Seriki....

I thinks Seriki is a below average right back and Wilder thought that McGuinness at centre half would be a safer option than Seriki at right back. He was wrong. The disastrous summer recruitment is the reason he is having to make these decisions.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

I thinks Seriki is a below average right back and Wilder thought that McGuinness at centre half would be a safer option than Seriki at right back. He was wrong. The disastrous summer recruitment is the reason he is having to make these decisions.

A below average RB would be just fine. I'd take that... In fact if the whole team were just below average we'd be ok.

 

[Blade56]

U-shaped walking football

 

[ShockingBadBuy]

What would you have done differently?

Well, as I’d hope was implicit in my post, I’d switch to 2 up top. Especially at home. Yes, we don’t currently have a target man, but regardless of that, we badly need to address our lack of goal threat. As hapless as we currently are, an extra body in attacking areas cannot hurt in that regard.

As also implicit in my post, I’d hope, I’d like to see the team vigorously instructed to progress the ball much, much quicker than currently.

Ditto, I’d hope, I’d like to see the team instructed to shift the ball centrally through the thirds much more, rather than endlessly ‘U-shaping’ it waiting for an opportunity.

None of the above are happening at present. All of which is very clearly the result of how the team is set up and instructed to play.

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

System,what system ? No identity,no shape,no leaders,no creativity,consistently 1 up top,no right back,he puts a poor centre midfielder at right back against their MOM,this happened many times last season and we got away with it. The apathy at this club is horrible at present and we have management and owners out of their depth.

 

[Tarqs]

System,what system ? No identity,no shape,no leaders,no creativity,consistently 1 up top,no right back,he puts a poor centre midfielder at right back against their MOM,this happened many times last season and we got away with it. The apathy at this club is horrible at present and we have management and owners out of their depth.

We barely had a system last season, but.... 92 points!!!!

 

[Il Coltello]

We're back to cowards football once again. Scared of getting forward, terrified of making a mistake and nobody dares to back themselves and make something happen.

The end result is death by a thousand sideways and backwards passes at a snails pace.

Wilder seems quite content for this to be our playing style as nothing is changing at all. The whole team and management seem to have lost all character and belief, which once lost, is very difficult to restore.

Sad times...

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

Ffs,how many more times. Is that all you have? =failure.
If this was being served up by Selles or anyone else,there would be Adkins style shame on the terraces and wanted him gone before the post match interview .