The Clough Factor

[Bladesway]

We've gone backwards thanks to his legacy. A multitude of sub-standard players making up a bloated squad and draining the clubs resources.
Adkins walked into an absolute train-wreck of a club and yet bizarrely gets blamed for a mess he played no part in, and worse still, gets blamed for not turning it miraculously around in the space of a season.
Clough won't be in league management in 5 years time, failure to get a Burton side up who were already perfectly equipped for promotion will likely finish him off even sooner.

Clough would have had that team top six because they were in the main his players and he knew how to make them work. It is roundly agreed that we shouldn't have sacked him by most.

The club has been a train wreck since well before Clough arrived. Just look at what Wilson and Weir had to deal with. Best players being sold and replaced with lesser players.

Adkins has had to deal with the same thing as well. I don't blame him for this but neither do I blame Clough.

While ever we have this argument over which manager is to blame, McCabe and Co go about their business without any finger of blame in their direction. That's the real scandal here.

 

[Bladesway]

Well and truly set in at Burton now, fell out with the star centre half Cansdell Sherriff and they are now only 6 points ahead of Bradford who are on fire, and in my opinion will catch them. That would be enough to make sure he never gets a job in football again if he manages it.

Forever cutting his nose off to spite his face the arrogant prick.

Adkins has just now started to get the Clough factor out the Lane but there's still a long summer to go yet. I hope we stick with him as the last 4 home games have been extremely enjoyable and they've actually played with all the passion you'd expect. Fortress Bramall Lane might just be on its way back, just hang on in there.

It's not been easy and at times I've questioned whether Adkins is the right man but after what Clough has done to Burton I'm almost certain that it's not mainly down to Adkins, he's still clearing up the carnage Clough left behind.

Please Kev, for once in your life back a manager. He's just starting to get it right and the past 2 games at BL are the first time I've left the lane with a smile since Southampton at home.

UTB

When did we last score 4 away from home? This Burton team that has apparently done that scored 4 away at Port Vale a couple of weeks ago. Now my understanding is Clough is negative etc etc. Surely this lays bare that myth?

 

[alcoblade]

Clough would have had that team top six because they were in the main his players and he knew how to make them work. It is roundly agreed that we shouldn't have sacked him by most.

The club has been a train wreck since well before Clough arrived. Just look at what Wilson and Weir had to deal with. Best players being sold and replaced with lesser players.

Adkins has had to deal with the same thing as well. I don't blame him for this but neither do I blame Clough.

While ever we have this argument over which manager is to blame, McCabe and Co go about their business without any finger of blame in their direction. That's the real scandal here.

Both Clough and McCabe are culpable.

Clough has blown the budget on crap, and far too much of it. It's a mirror of the Robson era, but thankfully on a third division scale. But for it to happen under McCabe's nose, again, is unforgivable.

UTB

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I don't really see the need for the type of bile directed Clough's way. He gave us a couple of memorable cup runs and at the very least deserves some good standing based on that – which includes our first goals at Wembley since Cork in 93.

He failed in the league in his first full season, made some very poor decisions on recruitment in that season, and fell out with certain individuals, which have all had repercussions on Adkins this year, but it's possible to criticise his tenure without attacking the man.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

I don't really see the need for the type of bile directed Clough's way. He gave us a couple of memorable cup runs and at the very least deserves some good standing based on that – which includes our first goals at Wembley since Cork in 93.

He failed in the league in his first full season, made some very poor decisions on recruitment in that season, and fell out with certain individuals, which have all had repercussions on Adkins this year, but it's possible to criticise his tenure without attacking the man.

True , and Adkins doesn't exactly walk on water . We have all got to remember , after this season debacle the honeymoon period for Adkins is over .

A character assassination of Clough is unnecessary . Let's concentrate on what we are doing , or not doing .

UTB

 

[1danewhitehouse]

the last 2 performances surely make you think why has it took 40 games to get it right
same players Clough had more or less ,shown they can play , utilised properly

Cos he's had 40 odd players to sift through, many injured, some bad apples in the dressing room etc. He's now got rid of some deadwood (with more to go) and is developing a closer knit group.

 

[grafikhaus]

Agree completely with that, apart from Bradford catching Burton up. I think JFH amassed just enough points to make it impossible for even Clough to mess promotion up for them.

Burton have got by far the hardest run in - Barnsley (H), Wigan (H), Colchester (A), Gillingham (H), Doncaster (A). As things stand, all those opponents have something to fight for. Bradford's last five are Shrewsbury (A), Coventry (A), Walsall (H), Southend (A), Chesterfield (H).

Cloughs a joke, a charlatan with a big name. The second biggest factor in our current situation after the board.
He's Bryan Robson with a smaller drinks cabinet basically.

Soon he'll be exposed for the being the clueless twat that he is and he'll be nothing more than a bad memory for the fans of all his former clubs.

Totally agree. Go on Wikipedia to see his outstanding record.


Win % is deceiving. 47.% at United looks good but hides a 'didn't win' ratio of 52.9% - not good enough to challenge over a season. Managing to lose 101 out of 233 at Derby shows why they wouldn't have gone up with Clough in charge. (and, to prove it's not just United who provide a retirement home for shite managers, they replaced Clough with McClaren ) Still, stats. can lie so let's look at Clough's trophy cabinet accrued over 18 years as a manager:


Exactly. If he fucks up all the good work JFH has done he should never work as a manager again. If Burton do limp over the line and keep Clough, they'll be straight back down.

 

[Slim Man]

When did we last score 4 away from home? This Burton team that has apparently done that scored 4 away at Port Vale a couple of weeks ago. Now my understanding is Clough is negative etc etc. Surely this lays bare that myth?

A one off, i've seen some half decent performances from a Clough side where we've gone for it, but it was always very rare, and we never had the players to score 4 goals.

He's mucking it up big time.

But I do agree with your earlier point, the board are far more culpable than any manager.

 

[Bladesman]

The Clough Factor sounds like a really bad sun cream.

 

[BushBlade]

The Clough Factor sounds like a really bad sun cream.

Robert Ludlam novel. Not one of his best.

 

[blade too long]

Cos he's had 40 odd players to sift through, many injured, some bad apples in the dressing room etc. He's now got rid of some deadwood (with more to go) and is developing a closer knit group.

really 40 that were all shit
tell me who was new in the last 2 games

we all knew who we could release , , but your saying all of them were shite
its a wonder weve stayed up

 

[Slim Man]

really 40 that were all shit
tell me who was new in the last 2 games

we all knew who we could release , , but your saying all of them were shite
its a wonder weve stayed up

But he didn't say '40 that were all shit' he said '40 odd players to sift through, many injured, some bad apples in the dressing room, some deadwood'...

 

[blade too long]

team saturday
gk.. Long

• 34Edgar
• 19McEveley
• 8Coutts
• 6Basham
• 35Hammond
• 7Flynn
• 14Done
• 10Sharp
• 29Adams
• 21 Baptiste
• 
  
• long , mc evely basham flynn done and adams
• sure they played last season
• more than half the side thats doing ok now

we all knew the addition of 3 players would probably see us compete

name me any league one club that doesnt have some deadwood
I still have seen no substantiated reason given as to why Adkins didnt get in these players we needed
hes admitted some funds were there, even if it was 500k its 500k more than some got
why no punts on loans like on Coady , some free young players

just dont get it

 

[blade too long]

Totally agree. Go on Wikipedia to see his outstanding record.

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Win % is deceiving. 47.% at United looks good but hides a 'didn't win' ratio of 52.9% - not good enough .

what crap 47 per cent win ratio is outstanding
Warnocks career is 40 per cent with a high spot of 42 per cent with us , so a not win ratio of 58 per cent

Clough only lost 25 in 104 games and 6 were against prem clubs
he had a higher win rate v prem teams than warnock had

 

[Tyler Durden]

what crap 47 per cent win ratio is outstanding
Warnocks career is 40 per cent with a high spot of 42 per cent with us , so a not win ratio of 58 per cent

Clough only lost 25 in 104 games and 6 were against prem clubs
he had a higher win rate v prem teams than warnock had

Spoken like a true non-attender.

 

[blade too long]

Spoken like a true non-attender.

so me not attending nowadays alters the facts
Im sure colorado blade or other exiled blades opinions arent worth shit either then

does me living in Spain make warnocks figures higher then

 

[Sean Thornton]

Altering facts is your speciality.

 

[HoodedClaw]

Yes if only Adkins hadn't just refused to buy players for no reason

Groundhog day

 

[Davie Blade]

When did we last score 4 away from home? This Burton team that has apparently done that scored 4 away at Port Vale a couple of weeks ago. Now my understanding is Clough is negative etc etc. Surely this lays bare that myth?

Not at all, the 'Myth' is actual a FACT
Picking one game to try make a point is so easily dismantled.
24 goals in 20 games is Cloughs record at Burton.
A ratio of goals per game that is only worsened by 5 clubs in the whole division.
Burton top scorer has 8 goals.

 

[blade too long]

Spoken like a true non-attender.

plus attended 3 games this season so not far behind you anyway

 

[Tyler Durden]

so me not attending nowadays alters the facts
Im sure colorado blade or other exiled blades opinions arent worth shit either then

does me living in Spain make warnocks figures higher then

No, your opinion isn't worth shit when you're spouting from your high-horse to those who have seen it first hand. Using nothing but figures and crap analogies to back up weak points.

Uniteds league performances were identically shite under Clough as they were for Adkins for the most part, except Clough had the luxury of not having to sift through 43 players to find a half-capable squad.

 

[blade too long]

"Burton have got by far the hardest run in - Barnsley (H), Wigan (H), Colchester (A), Gillingham (H), Doncaster (A)"

6 points clear 5 to go
burton have 3 at home and play doncaster who have lost 8 out of last 9
and colchester who are dreadful

I think Id take that scenario just now

 

[CarlMcBlade]

I blame Ken Furphy and Jimmy Sirrel for Adkins not being able to organise 11 blokes on a football field.

 

[blade too long]

No, your opinion isn't worth shit when you're spouting from your high-horse to those who have seen it first hand. Using nothing but figures and crap analogies to back up weak points.

Uniteds league performances were identically shite under Clough as they were for Adkins for the most part, except Clough had the luxury of not having to sift through 43 players to find a half-capable squad.

what high horse ,I dont say I know better just stating the facts
what weak point
that winning 47 per cent is better than winning 42 per cent, , whst wild suggestion am I making there

who left that squad of 43 he didnt have to sift through then, or did we move on 15 players after he left
I cant see an analogy in this last post of mine,

didnt we make the play offs last season , so how is that identical
we gave our selves a chance of going up
this year we didnt

 

[PeteBlade]

Clough would have had that team top six because they were in the main his players and he knew how to make them work. It is roundly agreed that we shouldn't have sacked him by most.

The club has been a train wreck since well before Clough arrived. Just look at what Wilson and Weir had to deal with. Best players being sold and replaced with lesser players.

Adkins has had to deal with the same thing as well. I don't blame him for this but neither do I blame Clough.

While ever we have this argument over which manager is to blame, McCabe and Co go about their business without any finger of blame in their direction. That's the real scandal here.

I'm sorry but I really don't think he would.
He only just about got us in the plays offs with his team and he evidence suggests we were getting worse not better. Our points per game ratio was lower than the previous season and for all the talk of him being able to get 'his' players playing we capitulated to some shit teams. And lost to a poor Swindon team in the semi final.

A semi final we started with no centre backs due to his poor recruitment.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

really 40 that were all shit
tell me who was new in the last 2 games

we all knew who we could release , , but your saying all of them were shite
its a wonder weve stayed up

You're lying again. I never said anything of the sort. I said there were some bad apples and a lot of injured players. The squad was too big. Clough himself talked about a squad of 18-20 being easier to manage and being more conducive to a good team spirit before doing the opposite.

Adkins is getting the squad down to a more manageable size with a higher percentage of players who will be here next season or at least might be. The team are beginning to show signs of playing for each other but are still short of the required quality to mount a challenge for top 2 next season. But at least we're taking steps in the right direction.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Pete , I actually think Burton will blow it , as they appear not to have a plan B , and Bradford are on a roll . It does prove a point that perhaps McCabe was correct in giving him the push .

Good luck to the Bradford manager Parkinson , who is never in vogue , but as done well on a low budget .

UTB

Parkinson at Bradford is a prime example of the gradual improvement you can achieve if you stick with one manager for a number of years. If he came here, I don’t doubt he’d be getting the chop within 12 months of being appointed.

 

[Tyler Durden]

who left that squad of 43 he didnt have to sift through then, or did we move on 15 players after he left

That would mean Adkins came into the job with 28 players on the roster. Which simply isn't true.

 

[Sean Thornton]

You're lying again. I never said anything of the sort. I said there were some bad apples and a lot of injured players. The squad was too big. Clough himself talked about a squad of 18-20 being easier to manage and being more conducive to a good team spirit before doing the opposite.

Adkins is getting the squad down to a more manageable size with a higher percentage of players who will be here next season or at least might be. The team are beginning to show signs of playing for each other but are still short of the required quality to mount a challenge for top 2 next season. But at least we're taking steps in the right direction.

Check out the Panama Papers thread in General chat for his latest doozy. Makes a post - facts totally wrong - and ten minutes later denies he ever said it. Then a bit later posts again - more rubbish - and uses the correct figures re the first post as if he knew what he was talking about all along. Comedy gold.

 

[blade too long]

That would mean Adkins came into the job with 28 players on the roster. Which simply isn't true.

I know thats not the case, I was being sarcastic about him saying clough didnt have to pick from 43 , , he left picking from 43 , didnt he
he got them in