Adkins Interview After Crewe (H)

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alcoblade said:
..........which makes it more surprising that you ain't seen to be able to make it.

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Remind me where Spurs got Kyle Walker from? Did he come through Southampton's academy or ours?

You make it sound like our academy has never produced a decent player.

Anyway I best get on the phone to McCabe and let him know he has been wasting his money over the years on the academy. He should have just built another hotel instead.
 
It probably produces pretty much what most of them do - a really good player every two or three years and a few who transition through to the first team to justify it's existence but don't go any further than that. There are of course going to be exceptions/exceptional crops, but are there many teams battling it out stacked with their own products?

The new compensation rules - disgusting though they are - are a further reason to wonder if we can afford the luxury of a high quality Academy whilst we contemplate season number 6 below our natural level.

Don't get me wrong, I like the principle, but it doesn't come through in real life. I'd really like a Lambo, but it wouldn't fit in the garage and the number of speed bumps round here would fuck it up anyway.
 
Bladesman said:
Remind me where Spurs got Kyle Walker from? Did he come through Southampton's academy or ours?

You make it sound like our academy has never produced a decent player.

Anyway I best get on the phone to McCabe and let him know he has been wasting his money over the years on the academy. He should have just built another hotel instead.
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Kyle Walker came from an academy setup that no longer exists. The rules have changed and it's doubtful we'd see this happen again, and you might note that you've had to go back in excess of 5 years to find a good example. I'll even throw you in Maguire and Naughton, but then the pool is really drying up. But remember, these have come with an enormous outlay of time, money and thought on the other side.

If you want to get wedded to a principle, it might help if you learn a few facts about it. At least you've moved on from the idea that having an academy made us sign Woolford. :)

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alcoblade said:
Kyle Walker came from an academy setup that no longer exists. The rules have changed and it's doubtful we'd see this happen again, and you might note that you've had to go back in excess of 5 years to find a good example. I'll even throw you in Maguire and Naughton, but then the pool is really drying up. But remember, these have come with an enormous outlay of time, money and thought on the other side.

If you want to get wedded to a principle, it might help if you learn a few facts about it. At least you've moved on from the idea that having an academy made us sign Woolford. :)

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Scrap it I'm clearly wrong.

We best let Adkins know he is wasting his time looking to bring players in from it.
 
alcoblade said:
I knew you'd come around.

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Im just going to tweet DCL, whiteman and Reedy and tell them to fuck off and look for another club. We don't need the likes of them.

Much better to save the money so we can give Hammond that lucrative 3 year deal.
 
Bladesman said:
Im just going to tweet DCL, whiteman and Reedy and tell them to fuck off and look for another club. We don't need the likes of them.

Much better to save the money so we can give Hammond that lucrative 3 year deal.
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Because the two are clearly linked

Wibble. :)

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alcoblade said:
Because the two are clearly linked

Wibble. :)

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Ah sorry I thought we would be saving money by not having an academy and thus using the money instead on the squad. Yes it is foolish to assume we would do that.

Maybe we should invest the savings in to some of those pitchside LED advertising boards. They look pretty neat.
 
Bladesman said:
Ah sorry I thought we would be saving money by not having an academy and thus using the money instead on the squad. Yes it is foolish to assume we would do that.

Maybe we should invest the savings in to some of those pitchside LED advertising boards. They look pretty neat.
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I've been trying to avoid telling you what a load of bollocks you're talking for a while now, but it's getting increasingly difficult.

The only point I fully understood, which was completely ridiculous, was your original one that us not having an academy would cause us to sign Woolford. Silly, wrong, and completely arse about tit - but a starting point.

I can only assume that red mist has descended on you and taken your logic to depths nobody thought possible. :D

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alcoblade said:
I've been trying to avoid telling you what a load of bollocks you're talking for a while now, but it's getting increasingly difficult.

The only point I fully understood, which was completely ridiculous, was your original one that us not having an academy would cause us to sign Woolford. Silly, wrong, and completely arse about tit - but a starting point.

I can only assume that red mist has descended on you and taken your logic to depths nobody thought possible. :D

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My point was we should be aiming to get more players from the academy into the squad. Utilise it more than we have previously. Which Adkins quite rightly seems to be doing or aiming to do.

I'm not saying starting next season with the entire under 21's but it would be good to blood more of them in.
 
Tyler Durden said:
What a great interview, what a great team, what a time to be alive.
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Adkins must have his tweets and interview jumbo jumbo off to a tee. Reads and sounds exactly the same as at Reading when they were still chasing a very outside chance for 6th play off spot before getting hammered 6-1 at home to Birmingham . We can still make it if United together .

Same script , different day , different club.

No idea if the DOF Hammond got the boot as well at Reading .

He ain't the right man for the job IMO . He will fuck us up this blue will .

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I don't know why people get in a lather regarding interviews, all they are is something that they're made to do by the F.A and what they will tend to do is speak shite because they are made to do it. I liked Strachans' interviews because he gave stupid but normally straight answers to stupid and daft questions. I've listened to one of Adkins' interviews and took absolutely nothing from it.
 



wizadry said:
I don't know why people get in a lather regarding interviews, all they are is something that they're made to do by the F.A and what they will tend to do is speak shite because they are made to do it. I liked Strachans' interviews because he gave stupid but normally straight answers to stupid and daft questions. I've listened to one of Adkins' interviews and took absolutely nothing from it.
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Strachan interviews were good if you didn't support the team he was manager of . He came over a twat . Adkins has a tendency to come over as a educated , school teacher twat .

Interviews give you the twat level or not of the board and manager of your football club.

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I get the feeling that we are fast becoming a retirement home the used to be a good un but now past it managers and players, and the Academy another one of those great ideas on paper like the overseas clubs and the Hotel that just didn't work out the way we thought they would.

Some body please tell me I'm wrong............:(
 
SandyMcBlade said:
I get the feeling that we are fast becoming a retirement home the used to be a good un but now past it managers and players, and the Academy another one of those great ideas on paper like the overseas clubs and the Hotel that just didn't work out the way we thought they would.

Some body please tell me I'm wrong............:(
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You're wrong.

Now somebody please tell me I'm right that you're wrong.

I think we were some kind of safety net and players had made it when they got here. That came through in McCabe's interview. Those players and others are being moved on, we are slimming down and we should be a leaner fitter promotion machine next season. Adkins' vision is gradually coming together - and with the right players we should, er, be favourites for promotion next season. :eek:

One HUGE issue seems to be recruitment. Why aren't the loan players coming? Might be worth a thread.
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
You're wrong.

Now somebody please tell me I'm right that you're wrong.

I think we were some kind of safety net and players had made it when they got here. That came through in McCabe's interview. Those players and others are being moved on, we are slimming down and we should be a leaner fitter promotion machine next season. Adkins' vision is gradually coming together - and with the right players we should, er, be favourites for promotion next season. :eek:

One HUGE issue seems to be recruitment. Why aren't the loan players coming? Might be worth a thread.
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SandyMcBlade said:
I get the feeling that we are fast becoming a retirement home the used to be a good un but now past it managers and players, and the Academy another one of those great ideas on paper like the overseas clubs and the Hotel that just didn't work out the way we thought they would.

Some body please tell me I'm wrong............:(
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Sorry WHF I'm afraid the manager's rhetoric conflicts with the facts again:eek:.

Ages of the team picked last Friday:

19, 20, 22, 4x 27, 28, 30, 31, 33.

Playing against the youthful bottom club was a big opportunity to play Whiteman and/or Reed and maybe even Calvert-Lewin.

The 20 year old McGahey was chosen because every other centre back was unavailable.

The 19 year old was dropped for the previous game in which there was not one single youngster chosen, unless you count Long.

The ages of Adkins' signings since he joined us are: 33, 30x2 , 29, 28.
 
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Agree Woodward. Adkins is a bit of a fraud on this score.

Whilst the bench had young players in it due to low numbers available - how many seniors missed out who weren't injured? - his actual choices went as follows:

Reed/Whiteman/Coutts - chose Coutts

Sammon/Diego - chose Sammon
 
Champagneblade said:
Agree Woodward. Adkins is a bit of a fraud on this score.

Whilst the bench had young players in it due to low numbers available - how many seniors missed out who weren't injured? - his actual choices went as follows:

Reed/Whiteman/Coutts - chose Coutts

Sammon/Diego - chose Sammon
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What's happened to Woolford ( who is our best left wing back IMO and Done our second best striker!). The last game he appeared in any squad was Rochdale away some 6 or so games ago. Is he injured?

BTW, something else struck me about this "great first half" in which I was actually seething by half time: the age it took us to take throw ins and corners. Does anyone recall Done taking almost a minute to get over to the right wing on two occasions first half. Is that momentum/ domination?
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
You're wrong.

Now somebody please tell me I'm right that you're wrong.

I think we were some kind of safety net and players had made it when they got here. That came through in McCabe's interview. Those players and others are being moved on, we are slimming down and we should be a leaner fitter promotion machine next season. Adkins' vision is gradually coming together - and with the right players we should, er, be favourites for promotion next season. :eek:

One HUGE issue seems to be recruitment. Why aren't the loan players coming? Might be worth a thread.
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I have to start liking this Adkins fella who IMO is not doing anything for the club I support. Forget the football, tactics , motivation , discipline , players to date either bought or on loan ( Billy excluded ), players in a comfort zone . Adkins in his RS interview seemed quite buoyant that loans players would be coming in for last Friday ( cut off day ). As you say this recruitment business is a HUGE issue.

We again leave it to the last minute and fail on recruitment. Either Adkins hasn't got the contacts in the game to pull in favours , a working relationship with other managers , or more like we fall flat on our face when sorting the finance out .

McCabe and Co could be blocking some of the signings , due to - no money , the cost deemed too high , lack of confidence in Adkins in bringing in the right calibre of player , or they are unsure that he is the right man to move us forward in the summer.

A side issue , Clough got the sack for being Bolshi , could Adkins get the sack for appearing to be too clever . McCabes mind on the right and wrong works in a mysterious way when it comes to football managers.

All we all want is the best for our club and to make us feel better we make excuses for both the board and manager who are failing , in a vicious circle , we just seem we cannot break.

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Woodwardfan said:
What's happened to Woolford ( who is our best left wing back IMO and Done our second best striker!). The last game he appeared in any squad was Rochdale away some 6 or so games ago. Is he injured?

BTW, something else struck me about this "great first half" in which I was actually seething by half time: the age it took us to take throw ins and corners. Does anyone recall Done taking almost a minute to get over to the right wing on two occasions first half. Is that momentum/ domination?
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Woolford is injured. He took a bad knock in his last game and had to be subbed.

I'm not a fan of his even in this role. At least Done has pace and is a threat going forwards. I don't see Woolford as either.
 
Champagneblade said:
Woolford is injured. He took a bad knock in his last game and had to be subbed.

I'm not a fan of his even in this role. At least Done has pace and is a threat going forwards. I don't see Woolford as either.
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I know what you mean but wing backs need a brain more than pace, it's about reading the game and being in the right place at the right time. I think Done struggles with the defensive side and I think his main attribute, goalscoring, is wasted. He is under orders to keep out of the area in open play by the looks of it and stays put on the half way line for corners and free kicks he doesn't take -downright nonsense IMO.

Woolford has a left foot, can cross a ball, has game intelligence and can play full back too. No star but often wing backs are more functional than exceptional, think back to Blind and Kuyt for Netherlands in the last World Cup.

Anyway if he's injured that explains it and it's a shame K.Wallace is injured too, he'd be good in that position. Flynn could and maybe should play there in the meantime though.
 
HighfieldBlade said:
That interview was textbook.
A very tired, tatty, dog-eared textbook.
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Reminded me of Clough in his last months : irritated, fed up, changed the question or demanded to know why he hadn't been asked a different question, attacked individual players, grudgingly acknowledged that one of his non-favourites had done something right but balanced that with criticisms, blamed players and effectively said it was their fault ( strikers missing chances last Friday, manager can't put the ball in the net can he?)
 
Just touching on the fact that a few people have mentioned the academy, and it's continual funding/worth. With the recent unbeaten runs of the Under 21's and Under 18's, it looks like we may have a handful of good youngsters about to make a break through, I hope so at least.
 
Woodwardfan said:
Sorry WHF I'm afraid the manager's rhetoric conflicts with the facts again:eek:.

Ages of the team picked last Friday:

19, 20, 22, 4x 27, 28, 30, 31, 33.

Playing against the youthful bottom club was a big opportunity to play Whiteman and/or Reed and maybe even Calvert-Lewin.

The 20 year old McGahey was chosen because every other centre back was unavailable.

The 19 year old was dropped for the previous game in which there was not one single youngster chosen, unless you count Long.

The ages of Adkins' signings since he joined us are: 33, 30x2 , 29, 28.
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The manager's rhetoric conflicts with cherry picked facts again.

Whiteman, Reed, Brooks, DCL, Kelly all on the bench - and he's not giving youth a chance. :confused:

Again if you're going to maintain this position then there's not much to discuss as to me it's beyond absurd to claim otherwise. Is it dark at night?

Musing...I wonder if we've ever had five academy players on the bench (and one younger one on the pitch). And if not, what the most is.

As for starting: when Whiteman and Reed were in midfield (and they both have a lot of potential, so this is not a dig at them) Crewe were wandering through us pretty much at will, so maybe not starting them was a good idea. Though apparently we didn't create chances in the first half (maybe because we were so busy passing the ball backwards and sideways it ended up at the Cathedral).

Age of the signings is not relevant "and you know that full well". ;)

We didn't create chances and we aren't using young players.
 



William Henry Foulkes said:
The manager's rhetoric conflicts with cherry picked facts again.

Whiteman, Reed, Brooks, DCL, Kelly all on the bench - and he's not giving youth a chance. :confused:

Again if you're going to maintain this position then there's not much to discuss as to me it's beyond absurd to claim otherwise. Is it dark at night?

Musing...I wonder if we've ever had five academy players on the bench (and one younger one on the pitch). And if not, what the most is.

As for starting: when Whiteman and Reed were in midfield (and they both have a lot of potential, so this is not a dig at them) Crewe were wandering through us pretty much at will, so maybe not starting them was a good idea. Though apparently we didn't create chances in the first half (maybe because we were so busy passing the ball backwards and sideways it ended up at the Cathedral).

Age of the signings is not relevant "and you know that full well". ;)

We didn't create chances and we aren't using young players.
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It is allowed to start games with young players, that's my point and at this stage of the season against a youthfull Crewe side, the situation demanded it IMO. 20 minutes for Whiteman, less for Lewin and 10 minutes for Reed is not enough.

We were under the cosh before Hammond went off. One bloke in South Stand bellowed "bring the kids on" ages before they came on.

To use your words, "will somebody please tell him I'm right and he's wrong". He thinks it is irrelevant to the youth issue that the average age of Adkins' signings is 30 too.

I'm signing off anyway.
 
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