Adams' Omission On Saturday

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AlienBlade said:
Couple of things with this one for me is,

a, if he produces on the pitch I couldnt really care if he does nothing on the training field... after all we dont get three points for training...

b, replacing him with Sammon (who has done zero on the pitch in months makes no sense... , ala with Hammond) surely that send out the message "you can do nothing and get in the side..."

no wonder Adams is confused...
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Whilst I agree with the sentiment of point A, ie all that matters is the producing on the pitch and 3 points. The reality is that if a player or any athlete for that matter does not train as required it is highly unlikely they will then put in an excellent performance on match day. The margins are so fine in any sport between winning and losing that an athlete simply has to put in the hard hours in training in order to produce.
 



Sprite said:
Exactly my point in earlier post, Adams is confused and frustrated at the way a so called manager manages.At his stage of his career he hasn't hardened up emotionally and does takes it personally, nothing wrong with that but needs to re channel it into determination " I'll show him " attitude. There is more determination in our younger player s than the majority of the" mature " squad. I will guarantee you that if he plays Che up front with Calvert Lewin and Reed c.m then you will see a massive positive change. The only negative is that Brayford doesn't want to pass to any of them. You watch!
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Che and Dom up front? Really?
 
sheffielder said:
By all accounts he has gone to real extremes in regards to his motivational speaches and Mumbo jumbo shit. At the end of the day players aren't listening to him.

People listen to the same interviews every week and complain about the above. What do you think he's like in the dressing room? He's as mad as a hatter and there is no talking to him. Players and fans have turned off.

I have no fucking idea what happened to the guy who got 4 promotions because that's not who we've got right now.

Enough is enough
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Nothing de-motivates me more than a motivational speech.
 
AlienBlade said:
Couple of things with this one for me is,

a, if he produces on the pitch I couldnt really care if he does nothing on the training field... after all we dont get three points for training...

b, replacing him with Sammon (who has done zero on the pitch in months makes no sense... , ala with Hammond) surely that send out the message "you can do nothing and get in the side..."

no wonder Adams is confused...
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But surely if you put the work in when training, it makes getting the three points a bit easier (for want of a better word)? There are always exceptions, I'd heard that Paul McGrath rarely trained yet we still dragged several very good performances out of him.
 
Wouldn't be at all surprised if Adams' potential (& it is still just potential) gets sold to the highest bidder this summer.

Question is, if so, if it's done as a necessary part of funding a serious squad rebuild, or just for the proceeds to get drowned in "operational costs".

Either way, I reckon he's a bit much for Uncle Nige to be able to deal with.
 
LYDON said:
WTF.

Are we Leeds United post-Don when the players wouldn't play for Brian?
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"Revie guided Leeds to two Football League First Division titles, one FA Cup, one League Cup, two Inter-Cities Fairs Cups, one Football League Second Division title and one Charity Shield. He also guided them to three more FA Cup Finals, two more FA Cup Semi-Finals, one more Inter-Cities Fairs Cup Final and one Inter-Cities Fairs Cup Semi-Final, one European Cup Winners' Cup Final and one European Cup Semi-Final. The team also finished second in the Football League First Division five times, third once and fourth twice."

No, no we're not.
 
AlienBlade said:
Couple of things with this one for me is,

a, if he produces on the pitch I couldnt really care if he does nothing on the training field... after all we dont get three points for training...

b, replacing him with Sammon (who has done zero on the pitch in months makes no sense... , ala with Hammond) surely that send out the message "you can do nothing and get in the side..."

no wonder Adams is confused...
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I'd say he has been off form for a good few weeks and at his age he needs to be working hard if he is to continue developing rather than stagnate.

Sammon has been poor and I don't want him in the side but if he's been working hard in training then that sends a message to a young lad in Adams that it doesn't matter how talented you are, you still have to work hard to earn your place. It's a lesson he needs to learn in my opinion. If he gets his arse into gear in the next few weeks then it's the right move by Adkins.
 
S12 Blade said:
"Revie guided Leeds to two Football League First Division titles, one FA Cup, one League Cup, two Inter-Cities Fairs Cups, one Football League Second Division title and one Charity Shield. He also guided them to three more FA Cup Finals, two more FA Cup Semi-Finals, one more Inter-Cities Fairs Cup Final and one Inter-Cities Fairs Cup Semi-Final, one European Cup Winners' Cup Final and one European Cup Semi-Final. The team also finished second in the Football League First Division five times, third once and fourth twice."

No, no we're not.
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Maybe when we choose our next manager we should forget about CVs, experience, qualifications, connections and just ask them 'have you got a lucky blue suit?'
 
LYDON said:
WTF.

Are we Leeds United post-Don when the players wouldn't play for Brian?
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Are we a side containing a large number of players that were signed by a previous manager, many of whom had played for him before, who seemed to love him and respect him and now baulk at the differences in style of his replacement?

Dunno but it looks like that from the outside.
 
Sprite said:
Watch then train together. .....good insight into what is really happening. Listen to the mumbo jumbo and the adkins stair.
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Haven't seen them train so happy to accept what you say but training isn't the same as playing in L1. Hammond apparently works hard in training and look at him.
 
mosbolad said:
Of course it is and if we did sell Adams I have no doubt it would not be to a club in the same league or lower than us. It's all relative as my Auntie said to my Uncle.
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But ...... despite what our Board say, its not inevitable that you have to sell your best players when a higher league club come calling.

Gillingham didn't sell Dack, Walsall didn't sell Bradshaw.

It is about ambition because if you sell your best players ( Maguire, Murphy etc ) and replace them with dross ( Woolford, Sammon etc ) then the Club will only go in one direction and that's not up !! :(

UTB & FTP
 



Darthblade said:
But ...... despite what our Board say, its not inevitable that you have to sell your best players when a higher league club come calling.

Gillingham didn't sell Dack, Walsall didn't sell Bradshaw.

It is about ambition because if you sell your best players ( Maguire, Murphy etc ) and replace them with dross ( Woolford, Sammon etc ) then the Club will only go in one direction and that's not up !! :(

UTB & FTP
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Tbf, I think they'll both get sold if Walsall and Gills don't go up but at least they kept them for the whole promotion campaign instead of getting rid in the JTW, as we did Blackman.

And if they do go, it will be early so that they can bring in replacements and give them a pre-season, not once next season has started and the best players have been signed by their rivals.
 
LYDON said:
WTF.

Are we Leeds United post-Don when the players wouldn't play for Brian?
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Winners medals coming out of there ears , everyone a international , household names , our lot of so called players league 1 standard at best , but know exactly were you are coming from.

I have thought that they play like they want to get the bloke the sack , and it's either back fired or its on its way .

It's down to players going or stopping having one thing for Adkins , which does seem to be in short supply - respect.

Did players think more of Morgan ( who I am glad left the club ) , than Adkins. Who knows , but it doesn't add. Up to me.

UTB
 
Lord Bos of Eckington. said:
know exactly were you are coming from.
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When player power exceeds that of the Manager, something has to give. In our case, I think it's the players, that's my opinion.
Ironically, if there is such a philosophy at BDTBL, who would have thought it would be kept in the same family, different generation?
 
The answer is straight forward...

One Che out and One Ched in ;)
 
LYDON said:
When player power exceeds that of the Manager, something has to give. In our case, I think it's the players, that's my opinion.
Ironically, if there is such a philosophy at BDTBL, who would have thought it would be kept in the same family, different generation?
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No parent should employ their child long term. It tends to turn them into overprivileged arrogant wankers who think they have earnt everything they have, when it's been given to them on a plate. No parent should deny their offspring the opportunity to make their own way in the world.

Just my opinion of course.
 
Sprite said:
It wasn't a personal critique but a generalised reply to the underlying topic of the thread. Adkins is screwing with all the younger ones and could literally mess their careers up, Clough is another one good at that. It needs the team to have a good leader, then a fan base that supports the team. (Not a slure at fans, but we are the most critical) irrespective of the money if you are led by a wanker then that is the result you get.
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I think Adkins is doing all he can to save their careers. Telling them they need to change their ways and pointing to less talented but model professionals like Dean Hammond as an example. Clough would have binned them by now. Adkins is being patient with them but there has to be some sort of discipline. Being dropped and occasionally mildly criticised in public might be the order of the day.
 
robbiez666 said:
This is the second time this season he's shown this kind of bad attitude. I've never not been in a fit state to work as I believe he was the first time. Unless he changes his attitude and starts giving 110% in training for the rest of the season we should get shut of him. The lower leagues are littered with talented players with bad attitudes. Flog him for whatever we can get and add a large sell-on clause.

There's a culture amongst some of the young players it would seem and it doesn't to be one of work.
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He might be one of those that would be better off moving to a small town far away from all his mates to concentrate on his football and fulfil his potential. Matthew Etherington said the best thing he ever did was move to Stoke because there’s fuck all to do there meaning he was more focused on his football.
 



CarlMcBlade said:
Conversly, does anybody think Adkins/Crosby/Wilkins might just be a draconian bunch of horrible cunts?
Let's be honest who's ever responded positively to the "big stick?"
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No I don’t think so. Adkins is uber-positive, protective of his players and talks them up whenever he can. He's given Baxter and Adams further chances after being naughty.
 
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