John Brayford

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Barney said:
No, I'm saying you're being ironic and hypocritical.
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You accept its true then? Good.

No, my comment is based on what ive read. Not some irrational dislike of a football manager and now a player linked to him, which has never been explained btw.

Good to see the Cavalry is here though, even if it is Georgie Custer.
 
Sean Thornton said:
You accept its true then? Good.

No, my comment is based on what ive read. Not some irrational dislike of a football manager and now a player linked to him, which has never been explained btw.

Good to see the Cavalry is here though, even if it is Georgie Custer.
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You've made a fool of yourself. Admit it and move on.

Attempting to argue against it just makes you look worse.
 
Sean Thornton said:
And that's the level of your debate. The answer to the question "how many people agree with you it was Brayfords fault" is met with that, which is actually not true btw. Tell you what, how about a majority?

You're not right in the head.
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LOL. If that's all you've got then I think we're done here, aren't we?
 
Barney said:
You've made a fool of yourself. Admit it and move on.

Attempting to argue against it just makes you look worse.
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I'm worried now. If anyone knows about making a fool of themselves it's you.
 
Sean Thornton said:
To finish off you could say how many agreed with you. On this thread and the other one.
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Plenty have said Brayford was partly to blame, on here and Bladesmad.

And if you want to throw mental health accusations around you should probably reassess the way you, a 60 year old grown man, obsessively target individuals and relentlessly pursue righteousness on a fucking football forum!
 
Ricky said:
Plenty have said Brayford was partly to blame, on here and Bladesmad.

And if you want to throw mental health accusations around you should probably reassess the way you, a 60 year old grown man, obsessively target individuals and relentlessly pursue righteousness on a fucking football forum!
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Nurse!
 
Smirth said:
Have to disagree there, Brayford doesn't have close to the level of skill and technique which Lowton had. They are similar in terms of stamina and their willingness to attack but Lowton was more comfortable on the ball, wasn't afraid to take his man on and try and enter the box, was a better finisher, a better passer and simply a better all round player. I really don't think Brayford is as good a player as some make him out to be.

I stress again that I do like him as a player, and I love his attitude. Whilst he's an improvement from some of the gash we've seen at RB in League 1 I'd say he's not close to the standards set by Lowton, Walker, Naughton, Geary.

He was terrific in his loan spell, he hasn't got close to that level since though unfortunately, and I'm starting to think that run of form was more a flash in the pan than anything else.
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I agree that Lowton is the better player. But I don’t agree it’s not close. But my point was that they play a similar style (Including both deputizing in other positions when needed) both benefitting from playing off a tucked in wide man (Williamson/Coutts).


I agree that he’s not as good as Lotwon, Walker or Naughton but not convinced the same can be said of Geary. I loved Geary’s attitude and bravery but wouldn’t say he had fantastic ability and for me, Brayford is a better all round footballer than him.
 
Ricky said:
and surprise surprise, it turns out I was spot on to do so.
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Disagree and this is a classic example of your rather narrow, over-simplified views on football management that leads to accusations of your video games prowess. We all knew a lot of this squad wasn’t good enough. I suspect deep down, Adkins knew it to. But he has to manage a dressing room full of men, probably half or so of whom are disappointed that the old gaffer has been shown the door. He has to win them over quickly and get the best he can out of them because let’s face it, he’s going to be stuck with the majority of them because they’re under contract and not good enough for people to want them off us. Therefore, he has to make the best of what he has. Couple this with his knowledge that he turned a rag-tag bunch struggling in the bottom half of league 1 into Premier League players and England internationals before, he might have thought he could do it again. To be fair to him, it has worked to an extent in that Coutts is now proving to be a better player than we all gave him credit for and McEveley and Kieron Wallace have shown some improvement.


You have no idea about the group dynamics of a dressing room but assume you are “right”. The fact of the matter is as fans, we never have the whole picture so never know if we have been right or not about these things with the exception of tipping players to move up or down the leagues.


For someone with their fair share of wrongs (Mansett, Higdon, Hall, Moussi, Brandy etc.), you are very quick to continue for not making the decision you would make. Perhaps those people know more than you do?
 



robbiez666 said:
I don't think there much, if any, correlation. Coutts is getting back to his best because he's regained full fitness and playing out right. I don't think Bratford's forward play has been better than Freeman's this season. If any, the other way round. Brayford is superior defensively though, but again not by much this season.
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I’m absolutely flabbergasted that you think that. But, it is your opinion and you are of course entitled to it. I suppose we all see the game differently.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
Disagree and this is a classic example of your rather narrow, over-simplified views on football management that leads to accusations of your video games prowess. We all knew a lot of this squad wasn’t good enough. I suspect deep down, Adkins knew it to. But he has to manage a dressing room full of men, probably half or so of whom are disappointed that the old gaffer has been shown the door. He has to win them over quickly and get the best he can out of them because let’s face it, he’s going to be stuck with the majority of them because they’re under contract and not good enough for people to want them off us. Therefore, he has to make the best of what he has. Couple this with his knowledge that he turned a rag-tag bunch struggling in the bottom half of league 1 into Premier League players and England internationals before, he might have thought he could do it again. To be fair to him, it has worked to an extent in that Coutts is now proving to be a better player than we all gave him credit for and McEveley and Kieron Wallace have shown some improvement.


You have no idea about the group dynamics of a dressing room but assume you are “right”. The fact of the matter is as fans, we never have the whole picture so never know if we have been right or not about these things with the exception of tipping players to move up or down the leagues.


For someone with their fair share of wrongs (Mansett, Higdon, Hall, Moussi, Brandy etc.), you are very quick to continue for not making the decision you would make. Perhaps those people know more than you do?
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So you think by signing new players within his first 6 weeks in charge he would've upset the dressing room and given himself an uphill battle? There are countless examples of new managers coming in and bringing in their own players quickly without any negative impact. There's no argument to justify Adkins' decision to waste so much time when he probably knew full well many of them weren't good enough.

The club's success rate with signings in recent times is worse than mine. So maybe they don't know as much as you assume.
 
John Brayford only played well under Cloughie. Think there's a thread developing here and I'll admit to being a 'thread hijacker.'
 
1danewhitehouse said:
I’m absolutely flabbergasted that you think that. But, it is your opinion and you are of course entitled to it. I suppose we all see the game differently.
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Which bit?

I can understand you disagreeing regarding Brayford and Freeman, and as you say, we all see the game differently.Brayford is the better player overall, no doubt about it.

As for Coutts, I think the only person getting Coutts back to his former self is Coutts. It helps a lot that he's being played on the right though.
 
Ricky said:
So you think by signing new players within his first 6 weeks in charge he would've upset the dressing room and given himself an uphill battle? There are countless examples of new managers coming in and bringing in their own players quickly without any negative impact. There's no argument to justify Adkins' decision to waste so much time when he probably knew full well many of them weren't good enough.

The club's success rate with signings in recent times is worse than mine. So maybe they don't know as much as you assume.
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I’m not saying he shouldn’t have brought people in. Perhaps we’ve misunderstood each other a little. I thought you were repeating the Barney argument that he should have cleared the deadwood in the summer. I’m saying he couldn’t realistically walk in and bomb a load of the dross out for the reasons I stated. I think the sheer size of the squad meant that he had to have a good look to try to decide who he could improve and use before committing the resources and space available to incomings. For what it’s worth I agree we should have brought a centre half in earlier but let’s not forget Adkins doesn’t do the negotiations so we don’t know how early he tried to make that happen.
 
robbiez666 said:
Which bit?

I can understand you disagreeing regarding Brayford and Freeman, and as you say, we all see the game differently.Brayford is the better player overall, no doubt about it.

As for Coutts, I think the only person getting Coutts back to his former self is Coutts. It helps a lot that he's being played on the right though.
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The bit I was referring to was that you say little/no correlation between Brayford’s return and Coutts’ improvement. I disagree for the following reasons.


1. Their understanding was talked of a lot at Derby as “telepathic”.

2. They are good friends which probably helps their understanding as alluded to by JB in a recent interview.

3. When Brayford first came back, Coutts still wasn’t really taking people on but started to look better simply by holding onto the ball whilst Brayford bombed on and then slipping a pass through to him. Having that pass on all the time has, in my opinion made Coutts much more comfortable on the ball, has seen his confidence grow and since Bradford he’s been playing with a real swagger.

4. Having someone with the stamina of Brayford to keep bombing up and down that flank reduces the amount of ground Coutts has to cover therefore somewhat saving his legs and not asking him to do things that are beyond him.



I agree that his fitness is improving too and that is playing a part but for me, decent though I think he is, if Freeman was still playing RB, Coutts wouldn’t be emerging as the almost talismanic figure he’s become of late.
 
I do wonder if Brayford is lacking a bit of pace since his injury. Time will tell.

Not quite sure Id class Coutts as a talisman - no goals (?) and not many assists. He has played fairly well, but he needs an end product.
 
There isn't one L1 club that would not love John Brayford as their RB. Not a one.

And a good many championship clubs as well.

One of perhaps only a handful of players that could hack it in the league above If we ever get out of this feckin division !!

UTB
 
Gateford Blade said:
As my mate said halfway through the second half "Brayford could take a dump on the pitch and some people would still clap him"
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Have you never done a dump deserving of a round of applause?
Try sticking a rosette or winners medal on one!
I've done dumps deserving of hero status and beyond..............
 
DronnieBlade said:
There isn't one L1 club that would not love John Brayford as their RB. Not a one.

And a good many championship clubs as well.

One of perhaps only a handful of players that could hack it in the league above If we ever get out of this feckin division !!

UTB
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Exactly, he has just lost a bit of form of late is all.

Although you could argue he is hardly being helped much by those around him at the moment.
 
Kevincarterversion2.0 said:
I do wonder if Brayford is lacking a bit of pace since his injury. Time will tell.

Not quite sure Id class Coutts as a talisman - no goals (?) and not many assists. He has played fairly well, but he needs an end product.
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OK talisman might be a bit far but he's become one of our best players in that time.
 
Thorpy said:
dont talk like an idiot, the reason why hes struggling defensively is because adkins is happy for john brayford to work with coutes down the right as an overlap winger, the poor sod is probably so tired by constantly bombing forward that he has no legs towards the end of the game. if adkins played a half decent winger then brayford would defend much better, so blame adkins for the woefull displays not brayford.
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Who is the threat to his position? He's not bombing forward. He does work well with Coutts which is why he doesn't need to bomb forward. I stand by my opinion that he has lost form and allows the man inside too often.
 



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