Catapult training vests

[South London Blade]

Waste of money for me. As if that's going to improve anything. Proper hard working training sessions, that's all you need. No GPS trackers for gods sake, get it back to basics. World's gone daft.

 

[stringjunior]

Maseratti? Try Ford!

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team-sky-to-use-ford-team-vehicles-in-2016-gallery/

Hmmmm. Must sack my itk mate

 

[SwissBlade]

Hmmmm. Must sack my itk mate

Or just google it

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Good old-fashioned training. George Best at 30




New fangled training regimes, with individual targeting of training. Ronaldo at 30

 

[Barney]

And meanwhile, as we come back from the dark ages, its been proven, scientifically, that by using the data you can specifically target training to individuals to get them and keep them fitter...

Too many modern influences ruining the game. Won't be long before we're seeing robots pull on the shirts.

 

[TonyAgana]

Waste of money for me. As if that's going to improve anything. Proper hard working training sessions, that's all you need. No GPS trackers for gods sake, get it back to basics. World's gone daft.

I raised the question in a meeting recently, with a chap who is heavily involved in professional development*, regarding what "old-fashioned managers" thought of all this new-fangled tracking technology. Whilst "dinosaurs" do indeed still exist, they've pretty-much all bought into it. I asked what it would've made of players like Matt Le Tissier (I was thinking Glyn Hodges) and he shrugged his shoulders.

*He informed me that the Catapult kit costs £30k for a set of 16 and (I think**) The Premier League has purchased one for every FL club.

**It might have been something else but definitely pro-dev-tech-related.

 

[SwissBlade]

Too many modern influences ruining the game. Won't be long before we're seeing robots pull on the shirts.

I think you’re right, its easy to think that technology is best, we have so much around us and we can often get blinded by the numbers and sales people. But as I alluded to earlier and as I say, it was mentioned in a thread about ‘Marginal Gains’ (British Cycling philosophy of analysing everything to improve chances that athletes will be in the best shape possible for events), there are some tremendous benefits which can’t be ignored


Working with HR data has reduced the need to train harder, gone are the days of smashing the hell out of every run in the summer (although this is also needed for speed work) in a bid to get fit. Players are sent on ‘off season’ with HR monitors and are required to keep their training up to reduce the need for intensive pre-season training.


My own experience has been (and still is) good with fitness training to a specific HR zone, for example for triathlon/ Ironman, most of my training is done at Zone 1-2 (133-155BPM) throughout winter ‘Base training’, there is some speed work built in but mostly the work is at lower intensity. It is only in spring when I approach race time that I build the Higher intensity training in but it is controlled within HR Zones for running and cycling and additional power zones for cycling and swimming is done on pacing and technique, again based on timed data tested several times per season to ensure my pacing is correct.


For Swimming and running I have Biomechanical tests twice per year as well as video analysis for both. For swimming, I’ve reduced my 100m time by at least 25% in 7 months as a direct result of using technology

I raised the question in a meeting recently, with a chap who is heavily involved in professional development*, regarding what "old-fashioned managers" thought of all this new-fangled tracking technology. Whilst "dinosaurs" do indeed still exist, they've pretty-much all bought into it. I asked what it would've made of players like Matt Le Tissier (I was thinking Glyn Hodges) and he shrugged his shoulders.


*He informed me that the Catapult kit costs £30k for a set of 16 and (I think**) The Premier League has purchased one for every FL club.


**It might have been something else but definitely pro-dev-tech-related.

It’s probably right, but would the PL buy them or the clubs?

http://www.performbetter.co.uk/Performance-Monitoring/default.aspx


As the Hodges and Le Tissiers of this world, perhaps they would’ve been slimmer and fitter, but it would also have been interesting to see what the coaches would’ve made of this. Again, specific tailored training to Hodges v Roger Nilsen would’ve been completely different.

 

[Kenilworth]

It's a shame the data on the league position isn't as

Good old-fashioned training. George Best at 30




New fangled training regimes, with individual targeting of training. Ronaldo at 30

Bloody Hell, are they what you have pinned onto your Bedroom wall, SEB?

Strewth !!!

 

[Kenilworth]

For Swimming, I’ve reduced my 100m time by at least 25% in 7 months as a direct result of using technology.

Outboard motor?

 

[SwissBlade]

Outboard motor?

Onboard...

And (for open water) a wet suit which has 5mm neoprene in the legs, 3mm upper for better buoyancy in the legs

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

It's a shame the data on the league position isn't as


Bloody Hell, are they what you have pinned onto your Bedroom wall, SEB?

Strewth !!!

Nah, just a google search for 30th birthday actually. Just shows how the training has evolved over the last 40 years, though. For all his balance and skill, Best would just get mullered today. If the players of today could add the flexibility of a male ballet dancers, then they really would be at optimum level

 

[Oreyt]

Too many modern influences ruining the game. Won't be long before we're seeing robots pull on the shirts.

Seriously, that would be hugely entertaining.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Following the comments by William Henry Foulkes in the adkins pre match wigan thread, its perhaps good to raise this thread from the ashes again to give some info on technology.

I can perhaps offer a little bit on Training/ Performance Zones, will try to listen to Adkins later and understand it a little more, so I’ve made some assumptions.


- Football League approved use of performance trackers in competitive games from mid 2015

- SUFC players use the “Catapult” vests for training – Did they appear to have a lump in between their shoulder blades during the game? If so its likely that this is what tracked the data on Sunday (and presumably in all games)

- GPS v Heart Rate Zones – Its unlikely that the zones are worked out from the GPS data alone, reading the catapult data sheets it seems that they have HR monitors as well, there will be an algorithm set up to monitor HR and GPS data to produce a report.

- Zones will be for each individual, so Sharp will work in different Zones to Collins, Edgar or Brayford.


Zones

The “Zones” for footballers will be specific (as opposed to cyclists/ Triathletes) which tend to work purely to Heart Rate Zones, I would suggest that footballers work on a combination of speed and HR to give the zones for the game.


The Zones are therefore based on effort. So the Red Zone would be likely to be at between 80-90% effort, so higher heart rate and number of sprints etc. It’s unlikely that any footballer will work for a long time in the Red Zone, However, players like Basham, Hammond, Edgar, Collins and Sharp will be more likely to be in their red zones for longer as they are seeing more of the ball than perhaps Woolford.


United will probably calculate how long they expect and want players working in certain zones, so they should also train to this.


For example, when I train, I train at a higher HR than some of the people I train with. I can ride on the same ride as a mate, but my average HR will always be higher than his because I spend more time in the “80-90%” effort.


There are factors such as food and drink consumed before and after, long term fitness, clothing worn as these will all play a part in body temperature and cooling, however there may also be natural differences.


In Game Recovery

Because of the individual nature of the effort levels and also the individual themselves, each will require a different recovery before Tuesday.


United will see from the graphs the recovery times from the 80-90% efforts. Half time probably gives a chance to monitor recovery as well because they can down load the first half data. But more importantly, they will see how the in match recovery is going.


An indication that a player is fatiguing is following a high effort (80-90%), how quickly does his heart rate drop to perhaps 50%, again, they will have this set for individuals. The longer it takes to recover after a sprint(especially compared to normal games), generally this indicates fatigue


Post Match Recovery

Again, it’s different for individuals. I’m ok for about 2-3 days after a race, a few aches but physically I’m ok. After the 3 day mark though, I need extra recovery time.


So we’ll find that certain players may be ok for Tuesday, but not Saturday and vice versa.


The recovery training will be interesting as well. Personally I like to swim and recover, United will certainly run and the recovery will be an active recovery for most, so they’ll work on light cardio, no speed work, but perhaps some gym work.


Working on things like set pieces will be avoided, perhaps as they are quite exhausting due to the repetitive nature of being in and out of the red zone for short periods.


I’m sure that there are some sports scientists on here which will provide a better insight, but this is just my view from my training and testing over the last couple of years

But what about the missing centre halves, can't the gps find the fuckers.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Nah, just a google search for 30th birthday actually. Just shows how the training has evolved over the last 40 years, though. For all his balance and skill, Best would just get mullered today. If the players of today could add the flexibility of a male ballet dancers, then they really would be at optimum level

Sorry but Best would be in the same fitness regime as his peers and would be clashing every season with Messi for player of the year.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Onboard...

And (for open water) a wet suit which has 3mm upper for better buoyancy in the legs

Cheat Cheat Cheat

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Sorry but Best would be in the same fitness regime as his peers and would be clashing every season with Messi for player of the year.

That wasn't the point. This was a comparison between old style training and the modern, very scientific stuff. And sorry but Best wouldn't, his attitude back then was poor and he didn't really look after himself then, the much higher expectation of today would be way too much for him.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

That wasn't the point. This was a comparison between old style training and the modern, very scientific stuff. And sorry but Best wouldn't, his attitude back then was poor and he didn't really look after himself then, the much higher expectation of today would be way too much for him.

The modern regime could have kept him off the bottle?

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

The modern regime could have kept him off the bottle?

As someone who works in this area, I'd say probably not. He would have had the same demons, even more fame and temptations to deal with and much tighter monitoring of his overall fitness, nutrition and hydration. That would probably break him, not make him. Gazza would be another who would struggle.

 

[Davie Blade]

And meanwhile, as we come back from the dark ages, its been proven, scientifically, that by using the data you can specifically target training to individuals to get them and keep them fitter...

Didn't the past dark age manager get rid of all this ''modern'' stuff ?

Next episode praise for Adkins!

 

[Kendal]

Good old-fashioned training. George Best at 30

New fangled training regimes, with individual targeting of training. Ronaldo at 30

Different Drugs too.

 

[SwissBlade]

Didn't the past dark age manager get rid of all this ''modern'' stuff ?

Next episode praise for Adkins!

If you're referring to Clough, no, he introduced it from what i understand