Chris Hughton pleased with our former best player

[JohnDenver]

alcoblade visits these threads from time to time and points out that selling good players is often unavoidable, but consistently buying crap ones is not.

The rest is detail.

 

[Harry's Game]

ambition wise we are huge

 

[blade too long]

In principle I have some sympathy with those feelings. An unhappy player might not be someone we'd want to retain....but flip that coin over and you could also have someone you can send a message out to the rest of the squad, that the club isn't a soft touch and has it's own future to consider. .

Im sure we rejected bids for Done and Adams
what message did that send , seems most people chose to ignore it

 

[blade too long]

alcoblade visits these threads from time to time and points out that selling good players is often unavoidable, but consistently buying crap ones is not.

The rest is detail.

have you read the posts the first 4 months afte we bought Murphy according to most wed bought some right crap with him
the players you get at this level rarely score 5 on their debut

bayerns sub came on tonight and scored 5 in 9 minutes , but we just couldnt afford him

 

[alcoblade]

alcoblade visits these threads from time to time and points out that selling good players is often unavoidable, but consistently buying crap ones is not.

The rest is detail.

Some sales are really poor. Blackman's was a disaster. Many justify it by his lack of success since, I damned it because he was doing it, at that time, with no prospect of replacement. We probably got his market worth - but not his worth to us at the time. Why we couldn't;t have waited until summer was beyond me.

But you're right. It's poor reinvestment that gets really my back up. Jury's still out on that in this case, but the signs aren't great.

UTB

 

[itsinyerblood]

Im sure we rejected bids for Done and Adams
what message did that send , seems most people chose to ignore it

Now, where's that list of available players to replace Murphy you said you had? You're not trying to avoid providing this are you?

Who offered fees for Adams and Done? Your lack of detail doesn't exactly help your post. If I knew the context I'd be happy to reply.

 

[alcoblade]

have you read the posts the first 4 months afte we bought Murphy according to most wed bought some right crap with him
the players you get at this level rarely score 5 on their debut

bayerns sub came on tonight and scored 5 in 9 minutes , but we just couldnt afford him

I'm with you on the idea that we judge players too quickly. I'm also fairly confident that our fall to, and then extended spell in England's third division, is all the proof needed to show that we have bought endless numbers of crap players.

UTB

 

[Cyprus Blade]

I think the OP makes a credible point re Sheffield United - so the tirade about it being in the wrong thread is unwarranted in my view. I also think there are some genuinely valid questions regarding what our approach should be in situations like the Murphy one, how to keep our best players, how effective we are in securing the players we need and how well we use the money from the sale of so called "crocks of shite" to strengthen our club in areas where there is a clear weakness in our current set-up.

Combine this with a historical view that we have never been sparkling in re-investing the money. Its not the sale of Murphy that is the stand-out issue, its the failure to strengthen the team with the proceeds. For Murphy substitute Maguire, Quinn, Beattie, Kilgallon, Jagielka, Brown, Deane, Currie etc (like Murphy all Players of the Year) - we sell our best players, always have done. Small point but if Murphy is a crock of shite what the hell does that make the rest of the team?

All football clubs sell players so the term "selling club" is relative but it is a term that has been associated with Sheffield United for as long as I (or my father who is 91) can remember - for god's sake the club were even willing to sell Jimmy Hagan and Brian Deane to the pigs (both of which were stopped by the players refusing to go them).

Apart from a golden period under John Harris we have been poor in the transfer market. From my point of view we really need to develop better organisation and squad management so we don't fall apart when a player is injured or leaves; have the replacements ready to step up when we sell and develop a more professional and modern approach in the scouting and transfer market. My take for what its worth anyhow.

 

[JohnDenver]

have you read the posts the first 4 months afte we bought Murphy accoding to most wed bought some right crap with him

Yes I did. But the point is really one of succession planning. Having Adams makes Murphy's sale less damaging.

But let's look at some other examples:

Lowton >>>> Tony Bloody McMahon
Maguire >>>> Butler
McDonald >>>> Baxter
Quinn >>>> Barry Robson
Nick Blackman >>>> Forte/Poleon
Williamson >>>> Nobody

That sort of business is largely why we're struggling.

 

[blade too long]

Now, where's that list of available players to replace Murphy you said you had? You're not trying to avoid providing this are you?

Who offered fees for Adams and Done? Your lack of detail doesn't exactly help your post. If I knew the context I'd be happy to reply.

we had already bought sharp amd sammon , a month before murphy left we were going to swop them both with leeds , what are you after

we sold murphy we got sharp is this your source of complaint your deeply unhappy with Sharp

 

[blade too long]

Yes I did. But the point is really one of succession planning. Having Adams makes Murphy's sale less damaging.

But let's look at some other examples:

Lowton >>>> Tony Bloody McMahon
Maguire >>>> Butler
McDonald >>>> Baxter
Quinn >>>> Barry Robson
Nick Blackman >>>> Forte/Poleon
Williamson >>>> Nobody

That sort of business is largely why we're struggling.

deliberately looking for the worst possible player does you no favours
I in my wildest dreams would never see Butler as Maguires replacement
and Blackman , a forward whos scored 7 goals in the past 2 seasons your bemoaning him going ,,,, really


its like saying man utd replaced Cantona with Djemba djemba

 

[itsinyerblood]

we had already bought sharp amd sammon , a month before murphy left we were going to swop them both with leeds , what are you after

What am I after? Don't entirely comprehend your question......strange that, can't find evidence of any proposed swap with Leeds that had substance. It might have been a whisper that some translated as being a shoe-in but whatever, it never materialised. Which is substantially different from the Murphy issue.

 

[blade too long]

What am I after? Don't entirely comprehend your question......strange that, can't find evidence of any proposed swap with Leeds that had substance. It might have been a whisper that some translated as being a shoe-in but whatever, it never materialised. Which is substantially different from the Murphy issue.

http://72andbelow.co.uk/tag/leeds-sheffield-united-murphy-for-sharp-swap/
first one of a page full on google

how is it different murphy out sharp in , isnt that what occured or do facts mystify you

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

its like saying man utd replaced Cantona with Djemba djemba

Made me smile

 

[JohnDenver]

deliberately looking for the worst possible player does you no favours
I in my wildest dreams would never see Butler as Maguires replacement

its like saying man utd replaced Cantona with Djemba djemba

Who else did we buy (or develop) at centre half to replace Maguire? McGahey? Alcock? You can have either if you like, but my argument holds firm - we stuffed ourselves by selling Maguire and not replacing him adequately.

Like I say, I'm less worried about losing Murphy because we have an emerging player in his position. It's when we don't and we rely on pensionable duffers to replace our stars that we suffer.

 

[itsinyerblood]

http://72andbelow.co.uk/tag/leeds-sheffield-united-murphy-for-sharp-swap/
first one of a page full on google

Ah, that legless rumour....yes, I vaguely remember it appearing.

 

[alcoblade]

deliberately looking for the worst possible player does you no favours
I in my wildest dreams would never see Butler as Maguires replacement
and Blackman , a forward whos scored 7 goals in the past 2 seasons your bemoaning him going ,,,, really


its like saying man utd replaced Cantona with Djemba djemba

If the club ever did anything wrong in your eyes, your points would have more credence.

Our league position demonstrates that we've done a lot wrong. You've acknowledged none of it.

UTB

 

[blade too long]

Ah, that legless rumour....yes, I vaguely remember it appearing.

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co....leeds-united-billy-blades-swap-deal-1-7347117

little less vague now eh

 

[coaxingstar71]

We should frame that sentence and put it in the Blades museum in the non-trophy cabinet. It can go right next to the "Relegated from the Premier League With A Points Total Usually Enough To Stay Up" tea towel.

Just above the "scored more goals than conceded but still got relegated" key ring....

 

[blade too long]

If the club ever did anything wrong in your eyes, your points would have more credence.

Our league position demonstrates that we've done a lot wrong. You've acknowledged none of it.

UTB

we make some very poor decisions which is why we are here
signing players like Murphy who we take raw and take 2 years to improve when our fans want instant success for instance
you cant have both we either build over time or moan at every turn
when we signed him it was another cheap option as is any we sign
but thats what we have to do
unless youve got 500 million you can blow on the club

 

[JohnDenver]

we make some very poor decisions which is why we are here

Consensus!

 

[alcoblade]

we make some very poor decisions which is why we are here
signing players like Murphy who we take raw and take 2 years to improve when our fans want instant success for instance
you cant have both we either build over time or moan at every turn
when we signed him it was another cheap option as is any we sign
but thats what we have to do

I'm not sure of the point. If it's that people (including me) judged Murphy too quickly and were wrong - then you are right.

But on the wider point - do we buy too many players who are simply crap? If you dispute that, you are wrong. Our sustained 3rd division stay, with an enormous budget, proves this. For Murphy, read so many other players that I wouldn't know where to start - whose whereabouts are now unknown

UTB

 

[itsinyerblood]

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co....leeds-united-billy-blades-swap-deal-1-7347117

little less vague now eh

Vague? What are you on about? You still haven't provided that list of players you said were available to replace Murphy? If that's not evasive...and you dare to call anyone vague? Just be honest, you never had a list of players, 300 or 30, you just mentioned it to impress. Well you failed in a most spectacular manner. Sharp eventually moved but Murphy wasn't going to be a part of that plan, hope you picked up on that fact.

 

[blade too long]

Vague? What are you on about? You still haven't provided that list of players you said were available to replace Murphy? If that's not evasive...and you dare to call anyone vague? Just be honest, you never had a list of players, 300 or 30, you just mentioned it to impress. Well you failed in a most spectacular manner. Sharp eventually moved but Murphy wasn't going to be a part of that plan, hope you picked up on that fact.

well lets start with my first eg agana , your saying murphy was better than agana and sharp
heres one webber or murphy
pesch ndlovu brown hes better than them too ?
you think murphy is better than anything micheal brown did here

 

[metalblade]

Of course Bristol City sold their best player last summer, who had scored 24 goals the previous season, to Brighton. It thoroughly ruined their season.

Of course they bought a player who was banging goals in from a Championship club not too far away from S2 to replace Baldock, lets not forget the facts to promote your viewpoint eh.

 

[blade too long]

I'm not sure of the point. If it's that people (including me) judged Murphy too quickly and were wrong - then you are right.

But on the wider point - do we buy too many players who are simply crap? If you dispute that, you are wrong. Our sustained 3rd division stay, with an enormous budget, proves this. For Murphy, read so many other players that I wouldn't know where to start - whose whereabouts are now unknown

UTB

so if you judged murphy too quickly
how come we are shit after 8 games, missing done brayford wallace etc etc

are the clubs above us missing 6 first team players

 

[alcoblade]

so if you judged murphy too quickly
how come we are shit after 8 games, missing done brayford wallace etc etc

are the clubs above us missing 6 first team players

I don't think we are shit. I think we are a bang average 3rd division team, without our 3 best players.

And given our budget, it proves my point. Again.

UTB

 

[blade too long]

Of course they bought a player who was banging goals in from a Championship club not too far away from S2 to replace Baldock, lets not forget the facts to promote your viewpoint eh.

so we didnt buy billy sharp
and sammon
we are only 8 games in

take a brayford and a done out of any league one club wouldnt they feel it

what if Baldock had got injured and their key defender

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Of course they bought a player who was banging goals in from a Championship club not too far away from S2 to replace Baldock, lets not forget the facts to promote your viewpoint eh.

I thought we were talking about the sale of best players, and how everyone that does it fails – I wasn't aware I had to cover the reinvestment point too. Apologies for that.

They did indeed spend about half the cash on Agard. Presumably their fans were posting on a weekly basis after deadline day demanding why they hadn't spent the rest of the cash.

 

[blade too long]

It depends on your perception of best players
I thought Murphy was a very good squad player for us , but our best player, not really
He seemed better than some that have yet to get to his level which he took over 2 years to get to and that was not good enough to turn a play off semi with his brilliance
17 goals in 82 games is an average return , with the emphasis on average
hes gone to Brighton not Barcelona , theyve won a few games by the odd goal and hes played in half of them and as of yet not scored, he will appear better if next May Brighton go up
still dont see that happening