The Three Goals Conceded

[Barney Rubble]

I think most of what you have put actually shows that there some serious Scapegoatism going off...

as you noted substandard performances which most got over 5 out of 10... I wouldnt say McEveley was a distance worse that these Reed is there to tackle and pass... (just as McEveley is there to defend... if McEveley fails to clear the ball for dallying on it and gets marked down then surely a defender not tackling should be marked down the same (as a striker missing an open goal... )

I would say Reed was by far the worse player on the pitch... yet people make excuses (as you have done... "would you sooner he lunge".... no I would sooner he tackle or put his body in the way when its required. I mean you could say rather than McEveley have feebly attempted to head the ball away for the second would you sooner he have rugby tackled him to the deck resulting in a penalty and a red card... (there is more than 2 options for McEveley as there is for Reed... yet to score 1.5pts more than him is bonkers...

Serious scapegoating ? From who?

If McEveley was getting low marks every week then you might have a case, but this was only the second time this season he has been judged by forum members to have been the worst performer. In some matches he has had high marks, some matches he gets higher marks than Reed. This week more people who posted their ratings on this forum (which counts for nothing anyway) thought he was the worst performing player. I was one of them -you weren't.

I'm pretty certain he'll start tonight and rightly so - he's the best current option currently available at left back. I'd be even more pleased if we won and McEv was man of the match.

 

[AlienBlade]

Serious scapegoating ? From who?

If McEveley was getting low marks every week then you might have a case, but this was only the second time this season he has been judged by forum members to have been the worst performer. In some matches he has had high marks, some matches he gets higher marks than Reed. This week more people who posted their ratings on this forum (which counts for nothing anyway) thought he was the worst performing player. I was one of them -you weren't.

I'm pretty certain he'll start tonight and rightly so - he's the best current option currently available at left back. I'd be even more pleased if we won and McEv was man of the match.

so that's 25 % of games he's been low balled.... he also narrowly missed being the "lowest" by virtue of a bigger problem (Higdon) and another up and coming scapegoat (Woolford)

I also refer to all the posts on how McEveley is the worst defender ever to grace the entire universe... (or words to that effect) after most games.... and yet despite scoring not the lowest... it's always his name that comes up for the one to blame... (that's scapegoating...)

 

[super_pig]

to be continued.. in 6 hours.

 

[Barney Rubble]

so that's 25 % of games he's been low balled.... he also narrowly missed being the "lowest" by virtue of a bigger problem (Higdon) and another up and coming scapegoat (Woolford)

I also refer to all the posts on how McEveley is the worst defender ever to grace the entire universe... (or words to that effect) after most games.... and yet despite scoring not the lowest... it's always his name that comes up for the one to blame... (that's scapegoating...)

As far as I can see it's far from McEveley alone though. Most of our players are regularly given stick on the forum :-

Long, Howard , Collins, Kennedy, Freeman, Baxter, Higdon, Reed , Coutts, Scougall, Sammon and before them Doyle, Monty etc.
You won't have to search for long on the forum before you find someone who can't stand them and will be on here slagging them off.
I think you pointed out on another thread that Flynn won most MOM awards in last seasons ratings, and I think it was between him and Harry the season before and there's still several on here who think he's dogshit. You're right about Woolford he's quickly using up the credit he got when he first arrived.
Basham was heading that way last season - he turned things round not because people made allowances for poor performances but by playing better.

So either we have a team full of scapegoats or a team full of players who's level of performance are keeping us in this shit division. When they play well the problem of scapegoating disappears.

 

[AlienBlade]

As far as I can see it's far from McEveley alone though. Most of our players are regularly given stick on the forum :-

Long, Howard , Collins, Kennedy, Freeman, Baxter, Higdon, Reed , Coutts, Scougall, Sammon and before them Doyle, Monty etc.
You won't have to search for long on the forum before you find someone who can't stand them and will be on here slagging them off.
I think you pointed out on another thread that Flynn won most MOM awards in last seasons ratings, and I think it was between him and Harry the season before and there's still several on here who think he's dogshit. You're right about Woolford he's quickly using up the credit he got when he first arrived.
Basham was heading that way last season - he turned things round not because people made allowances for poor performances but by playing better.

So either we have a team full of scapegoats or a team full of players who's level of performance are keeping us in this shit division. When they play well the problem of scapegoating disappears.

there is a difference however....

as per another of my posts... (and you infer to this) McEveley actually isnt all that bad... and whereas the above (barring probably Higdon) dont get this hysteria.... I dont think I have ever seen a "Kennedy is shit" post... I have seen "he's always injured" but never that he is shit... I also cant recall reems of Sammon posts, (maybe I dont see many Long, Reed, Scougs and Coutts ones becuase they hardly play at the moment...

many people seem to be on a Collins Love in at the moment.... (and many have said they dont know how Brayford will come back given Freemans's current form...

people however still hoisted the entire blame for the defeat squarely on the head of McEveley.... yes he played a part (but no way was he worse than Reed) and I think he did no more wrong than Collins... yet the scores... (many who have admitted they simply read a post slating him thus scored him lowly) seem to indicate he was the worse player on the pitch... and frankly I dont buy it.

 

[Balham]

people however still hoisted the entire blame for the defeat squarely on the head of McEveley.... yes he played a part (but no way was he worse than Reed) and I think he did no more wrong than Collins... yet the scores... (many who have admitted they simply read a post slating him thus scored him lowly) seem to indicate he was the worse player on the pitch... and frankly I dont buy it.

One thing I should have realised about the third Bury goal is that McEveley was playing left back yet ended up in the right back's channel trying to defend a long ball from Bury's left back (ie all the play was on the opposite side of the pitch). On the video, Collins can be seen attempting to get back but his chronic lack of pace means that was never going to happen.

Where the hell were Edgar and Freeman?!

 

[AlienBlade]

One thing I should have realised about the third Bury goal is that McEveley was playing left back yet ended up in the right back's channel trying to defend a long ball from Bury's left back (ie all the play was on the opposite side of the pitch). On the video, Collins can be seen attempting to get back but his chronic lack of pace means that was never going to happen.

Where the hell were Edgar and Freeman?!

you can just see Freeman in the bottom left of the screen... ambling back on the main highlights... I think as I have said before he didnt need to run all that way across to cover what should have been Collins/Freemans' job... but he did...

had he not tried would anyone have blamed him?

for me he attempted to cover for his team (good captain quality there) he didnt think well I might cock up and get the blame...

how many people would have just left it to someone else (Wallace and Sammon did just that for the second goal imo)

 

[Cyprus Blade]

how many people would have just left it to someone else (Wallace and Sammon did just that for the second goal imo)

Reminds me of the story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody and Nobody. There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it. Somebody got angry about that, because it was Everybody’s job. Everybody thought Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn’t do it. It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have.

McE should have gone down when he felt the touch for the third, but the goal wasn't down to him in my opinion - other defenders out of position. Needed to wake up for the first conceding possession when he had loads of time. Wallace noticeable for marking space for the first and conceding the space for the shot for the second (we seem to cop for a lot of these "million to one" shots because we let them get the shots off).