Bury - a taste of things to come

[William Henry Foulkes]

Bit harsh on reedy there Pinch I thought he had a good 1st half (always available to receive the ball) 2nd half he gave the ball away cheaply and Adkins took him off as probably feeling tired due to his England appearances he is still only just 18 and he will have dipps like today.A good coach will realise this and take him off ,he still has a long road to travel on the way to being a quality player but the qualities he shows
Along side his willingness to learn give him a great chance but as I just said he has a long road to travel.

Agreed. Decent first half, went through a bad patch second half - and he wasn't alone in having a poor patch; some players' lasted about 90 minutes.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Obviously very disappointing today. I thought until they scored their second, we were still by far the better team and should have been leading before they scored. I don't recall them having one decent effort on goal before they scored and then when we equalised, I still thought we'd go on and win the game. Sammon had a header saved in the first half that should have gone in and Sharp skied one not long before the first goal.

Their first goal was a comedy of errors, awful defending. It looked like J-Mac got fouled from behind, however he should have released the ball much quicker, but even after that it was schoolboy defending.

Their second goal should have been closed down, the full back was allowed to carry the ball 20 yards and he's smashed one in under no pressure. He actually tried it in the first half too so we should have learnt that he fancies himself from distance.

I think by the time they scored the third, the wind had gone out of our sails and this time J-Mac shouldn't be getting so easily knocked off the ball by our nemesis, fucking Leon fucking Clarke.

Generally there were plenty of other instances of sloppy play, misplaced passes, poor decision making. Of course the ref didn't help - absolutely clueless. They should have had at least 3 sent off, he booked Soares who then proceeded to make several other bad challenges that went unpunished. Fucking Leon fucking Clarke should have been off for practically dragging Freeman to the ground and punching him on the ground for no reason at all - it was an absolute disgrace.

What I don't like on here is the singling out of players, ok there were mistakes but it was a poor TEAM performance. For me only JCR had a decent game and I've seen someone else slagging him off! What game were they watching. Even Basham who nobody seems to criticise had a fairly anonymous game, I like him but he doesn't get involved enough for me. I thought Reed had a decent first half but had about a 10 minute spell in the second before he went off where he couldn't seem to pass to a team mate.

Many of you are so fickle though, after the last game v Swindon, it was all how brilliant we were and ooh didn't J-Mac look so much better at left back, now he (and others) are useless again and lets get rid. No doubt if we win on Tuesday, it will be back to us being world beaters again. Makes me laugh.

Pretty much spot on.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

If the place is like this after one defeat do you honestly think if we are not promoted by the end of this season he will still be in a job? We did it with Wilson, we did it with Clough and we will do it with Adkins. Toys out the pram and away he goes at the end of one season.

I'm not so sure about this atm there's a sense that if it's anyone's fault it's the players and not the manager.

Some - me included - were questioning the subbing of JCR, but apparently he was injured.

Beyond that I think a fair proportion of fans - who even consider this sort of thing - think that Adkins is the best man for the job.

Still, seven games in reading the tealeaves from this distance is not going to give a very clear picture of the end of the season.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

I'm not so sure about this atm there's a sense that if it's anyone's fault it's the players and not the manager.

Some - me included - were questioning the subbing of JCR, but apparently he was injured.

Beyond that I think a fair proportion of fans - who even consider this sort of thing - think that Adkins is the best man for the job.

Still, seven games in reading the tealeaves from this distance is not going to give a very clear picture of the end of the season.

I have read a whole thread worths of comment that the manager got it wrong with taking JCR off. And you have highlighted the very issue. We don't actually know why he was taken off. I was disappointed, but I had seen him knocked about a fair bit by the rightly worried defence. So when he's say on the side line rubbing his ankle (I think) and he's taken off. If he's fit on Tuesday, rather than wearing an ice pack, maybe the manager made the right decision. I could be wrong, it's all conjecture and opinion.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I have read a whole thread worths of comment that the manager got it wrong with taking JCR off. And you have highlighted the very issue. We don't actually know why he was taken off. I was disappointed, but I had seen him knocked about a fair bit by the rightly worried defence. So when he's say on the side line rubbing his ankle (I think) and he's taken off. If he's fit on Tuesday, rather than wearing an ice pack, maybe the manager made the right decision. I could be wrong, it's all conjecture and opinion.

I think in a deeply buried post in a long lost thread an unnamed fan in the New South Stand spotted JCR pointing to his ankle about five minutes before he was taken off.

It makes more sense than Adkins voluntarily withdrawing our most effective player.

 

[Jacopo]

I think in a deeply buried post in a long lost thread an unnamed fan in the New South Stand spotted JCR pointing to his ankle about five minutes before he was taken off.

It makes more sense than Adkins voluntarily withdrawing our most effective player.

Yep, a few minutes before he was subbed he was chopped down in a nasty tackle. As he was on the floor he signalled to Adkins about his ankle. I remember commenting to my old man that he was injured. I was pleasantly surprised though to see him get up and continue so I guess him being subbed was a safeguard to prevent further injury.

 

[coaxingstar71]

Have to agree with all of that!

It's refreshing to know that someone attended the same game as I did, I sometimes wonder!

 

[coaxingstar71]

I think in a deeply buried post in a long lost thread an unnamed fan in the New South Stand spotted JCR pointing to his ankle about five minutes before he was taken off.

It makes more sense than Adkins voluntarily withdrawing our most effective player.

Can confirm he got brought down (for about the 20th time) and did the 'rolling hands' gesture to the bench to be taken off.

 

[Whiston Blade]

No obsession at all, mate. I wish the lad well as I do all our players, but I try to provide a little balance when people get ludicrously starry-eyed about players simply because they are "local". The lad is a long way from ready for first-team football. He needs to learn his trade in the u-21s. Some fans do him no favours by pretending he is a great deal better than he really is.

I agree with this 100%, he cant help being 3ft tall but he's too lightweight. He tries to get stuck in but I cant remember him picking up the ball and doing anything notable with it. Not first team ready, yet...

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Adams, Harris, Done, Brayford plus possibly Burn and Hammond. Hells teeth that's 3/4 of a defence and possibly 3/4 of a midfield. Within a few weeks we could be lining up:

 

[Revolution]

Adams, Harris, Done, Brayford plus possibly Burn and Hammond. Hells teeth that's 3/4 of a defence and possibly 3/4 of a midfield. Within a few weeks we could be lining up:

If you think brayford, Harris and Done will be back in a few weeks you're a hell of a lot more optimistic than the actual medical diagnosis.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

If you think brayford, Harris and Done will be back in a few weeks you're a hell of a lot more optimistic than the actual medical diagnosis.

I thought Brayford was about 5-6 weeks, Harris 8 weeks and Done 8?

 

[Revolution]

I thought Brayford was about 5-6 weeks, Harris 8 weeks and Done 8?

None of those is a few weeks - 8 weeks is 2 months, or 10 games if you prefer - and I think that brayford estimate is wrong.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

None of those is a few weeks - 8 weeks is 2 months, or 10 games if you prefer - and I think that brayford estimate is wrong.

Didn't Brayford say something about being a couple of weeks in front of schedule?

And I know it's semantics, but it IS a few weeks. Point I'm trying to make, is that if we keep current form going (unlikely, but winning 4 in 6 is decent) for the next 10-12 games, the team looks potentially very strong post-Christmas.

 

[Revolution]

Didn't Brayford say something about being a couple of weeks in front of schedule?

And I know it's semantics, but it IS a few weeks. Point I'm trying to make, is that if we keep current form going (unlikely, but winning 4 in 6 is decent) for the next 10-12 games, the team looks potentially very strong post-Christmas.

Well, that is true, though I will believe these loan signings when I see them.

We are well placed at the moment but the problems with the side are there for all to see. Hopefully we can avoid falling too far behind the top 2 places before the injured trio return.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Well, that is true, though I will believe these loan signings when I see them.

We are well placed at the moment but the problems with the side are there for all to see. Hopefully we can avoid falling too far behind the top 2 places before the injured trio return.

Don't think there's a Bristol City in the division this year to pull away at the top. I work with a Walsall fan who fully expects them to drop into the middle of the table, I did predict Gillingham for the play-offs but nothing more, so the top two might just swap and change around a few teams a fair bit between now and January.

 

[blade too long]

Right, first things first:



Not going to say 'I told you so.' There will be no easy games this season. Bury produced the type of display that we'll need to get out of this God-forsaken division. They didn't park the bus. They did (in the second half) enough to keep us wary at the back and so we couldn't go gung-ho and they've packed their team with hard, athletic, cynical players. Of course, having a gullible cunt of a ref. who had clearly lost control (at the start of the second half, their guy stood ten yards inside our half showed Bury's contempt for the ref.) is necessary to get away with such cynicism.

Just a look at Bury's line up - Clark, Rose, Mellis etc. shows they've recruited well.

Bury played the 'rotation system'. They rotated who would commit the next hacking down of a United player so that nobody got a red card (not that the ref. would have taken such decisive action) and it worked. Hack a player down (J C-R was kicked to pieces) in a position in United's half, give a free-kick away, get all eleven men back, job done.

However, there was much to admire about Bury. While we were content to put the ball out wide and send in a hopeful cross/shot, Bury's first spoke volumes. Around six of their players raced into our area with intent. That ball was going to go in the net. How many times did we have golden chances right in front of the net in the second half, but couldn't convert a single one?

A wake-up call and a bad day at the office, but I'm sure NA will have learned plenty (I bet he cannot believe how the standards have raised at this level since he last managed down here). Some new bodies still needed, but hopeful we'll get it right.

in the long run we will lose some , but the difference here was summed up in skys report
"Bury regained the lead with seven minutes to go when beat Howard with a stunning long-range drive."
As I said in the luck thread be unlucky if every club scored their goal of the season against us
The lad Riley who scored lets see if he scores another twenty like that one
Like the lad at Shrews bury who hit a similar one against us at their ground , then they ended up going down

 

[blade too long]

Well, that is true, though I will believe these loan signings when I see them..

so will you come on and say something positive if we sign two or more
I womt hold my breath

 

[Revolution]

so will you come on and say something positive if we sign two or more
I womt hold my breath

I will, as I did when we signed Edgar.

 

[Bath Blade]

McEveley is steeling a wage

Agree, he really needs to show some metal.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Agree, he really needs to show some metal.

He just needs to iron out the flaws in his game.

 

[BushBlade]

Questions need to be asked of the board.

Why after the three previous seasons (I'll ignore Wilsons first year) of not performing to the standards required for gaining promotion was the new manager who they appointed allowed to piss about with all that clean sheet/new start crap?

Why wasn't he taken on one side and told these are the basic problems, get it sorted because that's what you been employed to do and get it sorted for the start of the season.

Is it only the people who matter who make the decisions who can't see?

Because he's got a team to manage and there isn't anyone at the club who is in a position to tell him how to do his job.

He didn't need the Blades, he could have waited until Championship jobs come up in November.

Remember when Bassett came and we got relegated? Bassett's own assessment was that he tried to change too much too quickly.

I'm sure he's had discussions with people and has a good idea of what our problems are. Now he's seeing it for himself and will have a much better feel for it, for the root causes.

On paper, most of the journeymen have played at a higher level and Adkins has to manage up as well as down. He may have already told the board a very unpalatable truth. They may have to lose money paying off players to get rid and then lose more money bringing in replacements.

The board won't necessarily see it like this. Their view will be that the players are decent, made the playoffs had cup runs and therefore the team just needs tweaking.

They apparently gave Clough virtual autonomy and I think they will be reluctant to do that again.

NA has to balance managing the team and keeping them onside whilst managing the board and convincing them he has the answers his predecessor didn't.