Bury - a taste of things to come

[grafikhaus]

Right, first things first:

Your inverted snobbery of exaggerating the strength of the opposition and belittling our own club is both noted and expected. Even if we win the next 10 games, some of you will cling to the Gillngham defeat like barnacles.
It's the Bladesfans' Way.

Not going to say 'I told you so.' There will be no easy games this season. Bury produced the type of display that we'll need to get out of this God-forsaken division. They didn't park the bus. They did (in the second half) enough to keep us wary at the back and so we couldn't go gung-ho and they've packed their team with hard, athletic, cynical players. Of course, having a gullible cunt of a ref. who had clearly lost control (at the start of the second half, their guy stood ten yards inside our half showed Bury's contempt for the ref.) is necessary to get away with such cynicism.

Just a look at Bury's line up - Clark, Rose, Mellis etc. shows they've recruited well.

Bury played the 'rotation system'. They rotated who would commit the next hacking down of a United player so that nobody got a red card (not that the ref. would have taken such decisive action) and it worked. Hack a player down (J C-R was kicked to pieces) in a position in United's half, give a free-kick away, get all eleven men back, job done.

However, there was much to admire about Bury. While we were content to put the ball out wide and send in a hopeful cross/shot, Bury's first spoke volumes. Around six of their players raced into our area with intent. That ball was going to go in the net. How many times did we have golden chances right in front of the net in the second half, but couldn't convert a single one?

A wake-up call and a bad day at the office, but I'm sure NA will have learned plenty (I bet he cannot believe how the standards have raised at this level since he last managed down here). Some new bodies still needed, but hopeful we'll get it right.

 

[Grappler]

Their second goal was a screamer and we should have closed the player down but the 1st and 3rd were shockers.

 

[Pinchy]

Right, first things first:



Not going to say 'I told you so.' There will be no easy games this season. Bury produced the type of display that we'll need to get out of this God-forsaken division. They didn't park the bus. They did (in the second half) enough to keep us wary at the back and so we couldn't go gung-ho and they've packed their team with hard, athletic, cynical players. Of course, having a gullible cunt of a ref. who had clearly lost control (at the start of the second half, their guy stood ten yards inside our half showed Bury's contempt for the ref.) is necessary to get away with such cynicism.

Just a look at Bury's line up - Clark, Rose, Mellis etc. shows they've recruited well.

Bury played the 'rotation system'. They rotated who would commit the next hacking down of a United player so that nobody got a red card (not that the ref. would have taken such decisive action) and it worked. Hack a player down (J C-R was kicked to pieces) in a position in United's half, give a free-kick away, get all eleven men back, job done.

However, there was much to admire about Bury. While we were content to put the ball out wide and send in a hopeful cross/shot, Bury's first spoke volumes. Around six of their players raced into our area with intent. That ball was going to go in the net. How many times did we have golden chances right in front of the net in the second half, but couldn't convert a single one?

A wake-up call and a bad day at the office, but I'm sure NA will have learned plenty (I bet he cannot believe how the standards have raised at this level since he last managed down here). Some new bodies still needed, but hopeful we'll get it right.

There's no "I told you so" to tell, I'm afraid. I simply said that no-one can say whether a game is "easy" or not until it is played. We had much the greater possession, 14 times as many corners and many more attempts at goal. There most certainly will be easy games this season. We just won't know which ones until afterwards!

Here's a genuine "told you so" though, for all you Bladey Blades:

Louis Reed - Not Good Enough - Nowhere near.

 

[Deadbat]

1st and 3rd both came from McEveley. He is not good enough.

Bury did take advantage of the ref but defeats to these and Gills shows in terms of personnel we are lacking. I do fear it may take Adkins a few years to get us up. What I would give fro 3 or 4 players with pace in the SUFC side. It is so one paced physically and in terms of mental decisions. It is like watching a game in slow motion.

Today more worryingly for all those who laud Adkins for the football he has played before, was so much diagonal long ball. I saw more football played under Dinosaur Dave (Bassett) as Pinchy called him that today. It was very one dimensional and predictable. Outside of JCR, not sure of anyone who wanted to get the ball down and make things happen. It was hope for a knock down and get onto loose balls.

 

[Deadbat]

There's no "I told you so" to tell, I'm afraid. I simply said that no-one can say whether a game is "easy" or not until it is played. We had much the greater possession, 14 times as many corners and many more attempts at goal. There most certainly will be easy games this season. We just won't know which ones until afterwards!

Here's a genuine "told you so" though, for all you Bladey Blades:

Louis Reed - Not Good Enough - Nowhere near.

...but having lots of corners and attempts is useless if you don't convert. It is simply poor finishing v great finishing. No in betweens about it. Bury put 3 in. We put 1 in. We have all the goal to aim at, blah, blah, blah......

In all seriousness. Despite concerns about a lot of our play, another day we do win such a game maybe 2 or 3-0.

Agree with you about Reed. Really poor.

 

[Deadbat]

Bury changed their tactics going 2 up top and started to attack and we did not know what to do. Adkins got outcoached by Flitcroft today. It was a classic smash and grab performance in many ways but fair play to Bury. They did attack a lot more when they could have just tried to eek the point. They had 5 players in the box when they went ahead.

 

[Pinchy]

...but having lots of corners and attempts is useless if you don't convert. It is simply poor finishing v great finishing. No in betweens about it. Bury put 3 in. We put 1 in. We have all the goal to aim at, blah, blah, blah......

In all seriousness. Despite concerns about a lot of our play, another day we do win such a game maybe 2 or 3-0.

Agree with you about Reed. Really poor.

But I didn't mention luck . Just trying to bring some perspective and reflect the balance of play. In parts it was a little too "last season" as we allowed a niggling, physical bunch to put us off our stride by employing a rota of foul play and time-wasting. You carry on until you get a yellow then your mate takes his turn. They might have been a little less successful had they not been aided and abetted by one of the weakest referees I have seen in years. They were allowed to get away with "murder" and then stand three yards away to shout and scream at him, which he permitted to go on for far, far too long. He lost any authority early on and never regained it.

That's not why we lost, though. For all our possession and goal attempts we were lacking that essential spark and desire today. No-one stood up, beat his chest and said "let's win this fucker - if you won't, I will!"

Disappointing but not disastrous. We do need a midfield general to set the standard and dictate the play. I do hope Hammond will be here by the end of the month....Burn too. We have a big squad in numbers, but need an injection of quality.

Until then, the impressive Wallace and the returning (I think?) Jose should come in from the start on Tuesday.

 

[Oreyt]

Reading the predictions of scores in the run up to this match I was surprised how confident some were. Bury are a very good away side.

Losing today isn't the end of the world, but a contingent of our lot do seem to believe we're owed a promotion at some point cos, y'know, we're a big club. Ain't happening.

 

[Deadbat]

Agree about the midfield general. We are soft as s***e in the middle of the park. Really weak. Need someone to really get hold of the side.

It is disappointing but we do have to be winning games like that. Letting games like that slip away is why we will end up playoffs at best. I don't see a promotion type mentality in this side. Today we got 1-1 and it sounds negative but I said main thing is we don't toss away a second and lost it. I actually said if it finishes 1-1 so be it and we go again Tuesday but then just like last year we toss it away.

 

[cahill]

Reedy's passing and vision were woeful today. McEveley is steeling a wage, he's not good enough to be. I thought every time Campbell-Rice and McEveley were in possession the momentum slowed down. JCR is exceptionally gifted but why does he have to showboat so much, beats a man once, twice beats him a third time and allows defenders to get back.

Not over impressed with Woolford either

 

[Lane Ender]

Bury changed their tactics going 2 up top and started to attack and we did not know what to do. Adkins got outcoached by Flitcroft today. It was a classic smash and grab performance in many ways but fair play to Bury. They did attack a lot more when they could have just tried to eek the point. They had 5 players in the box when they went ahead.

Spot on he did the exact opposite of what we expected at 1-1 learn from it NA

 

[cooperblade]

Not seen any replays but I genuinely thought Soares, Brown, Pugh and Clarke (and Sharp) should have been sent off.

We were poor though. I thought we looked like 10 average joes (although many didn't even hit those heights) and JCR and I'd be hard pressed to think of a United XI more devoid of flair and exciting players than the one that was on the pitch after the first 2 substitutions.

We need Harris, Adams and Done back and we need to make 2 or 3 signings. Some hard work ahead of us I'm afraid.

 

[Deadbat]

Not seen any replays but I genuinely thought Soares, Brown, Pugh and Clarke (and Sharp) should have been sent off.

We were poor though. I thought we looked like 10 average joes (although many didn't even hit those heights) and JCR and I'd be hard pressed to think of a United XI more devoid of flair and exciting players than the one that was on the pitch after the first 2 substitutions.

We need Harris, Adams and Done back and we need to make 2 or 3 signings. Some hard work ahead of us I'm afraid.

That's the things. Its a shocking division but we are exactly that. A side of average joes. Those that say Walsall, Gillingham, Bury wont be above us. Why not? We are not really any better than such sides collectively or individually. We have a few ok players but as above says need likes of Brayford back (immediately captain), hopefully another centre half and a midfield leader and then Done/Adams/Harris. Even then not sure we have enough.

Sick of this division and sick of losing to sides like Bury (as much as that contradicts above) but we have not done enough to improve a wholly average and bloated squad of journeyman/ Scottish division one players. That's not just about today but fear that as it has twice this season sides can turn us over and stop us quite easily.

 

[raul]

There's no "I told you so" to tell, I'm afraid. I simply said that no-one can say whether a game is "easy" or not until it is played. We had much the greater possession, 14 times as many corners and many more attempts at goal. There most certainly will be easy games this season. We just won't know which ones until afterwards!

Here's a genuine "told you so" though, for all you Bladey Blades:

Louis Reed - Not Good Enough - Nowhere near.

Is there anything, anything at all you have a clue about? Dismantled on cricket , dismantled on football it's got to be all a bout windy windy windy Ness on the golf course now

 

[ilovesufc]

That's not why we lost, though. For all our possession and goal attempts we were lacking that essential spark and desire today. No-one stood up, beat his chest and said "let's win this fucker - if you won't, I will!"

Disappointing but not disastrous. We do need a midfield general to set the standard and dictate the play. I do hope Hammond will be here by the end of the month....Burn too. We have a big squad in numbers, but need an injection of quality.

Until then, the impressive Wallace and the returning (I think?) Jose should come in from the start on Tuesday.

Totally agree with this.
I think we'll improve as the season progresses & Adkins gets a few more in.

Woolford is a bit Marmite - I thought he did OK today and had good energy, but others see him differently.

 

[metalblade]

1st and 3rd both came from McEveley. He is not good enough.

Bury did take advantage of the ref but defeats to these and Gills shows in terms of personnel we are lacking. I do fear it may take Adkins a few years to get us up. What I would give fro 3 or 4 players with pace in the SUFC side. It is so one paced physically and in terms of mental decisions. It is like watching a game in slow motion.

Today more worryingly for all those who laud Adkins for the football he has played before, was so much diagonal long ball. I saw more football played under Dinosaur Dave (Bassett) as Pinchy called him that today. It was very one dimensional and predictable. Outside of JCR, not sure of anyone who wanted to get the ball down and make things happen. It was hope for a knock down and get onto loose balls.

Got to agree the side has no real pace at all made worse buy selling JM how much are we missing him already ? We can't get Done back from injury fast enough, as we are at the moment we are nowhere near a top two side Billy Sharpe looks even slower than the last time he was here. I think a lot of the long balls today was due to the lack of options in midfield and the front two not making runs, it was a typical Clough side performance slowly pass across the back four until someone gets closed down and has to launch it long.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Results can go either way. You win some you lose some because luck plays a part.

The bottom line is we were a better team than Bury. On most other days we'd have won 3-1 and everyone would be saying it was a great performance etc.
We totally dominated for long spells and if it was a boxing match it might have been stopped.

We lost because of poor finishing and McEveleys errors.
Challenged off the ball for the first when he could easily have passed it
And letting it bounce trying to control it for the third.

It's supposed to be the golden rule of defending. If in doubt just clear it into row Z.

We live and learn to fight another day. Plenty of time yet.

 

[PeteBlade]

That's the things. Its a shocking division but we are exactly that. A side of average joes. Those that say Walsall, Gillingham, Bury wont be above us. Why not? We are not really any better than such sides collectively or individually. We have a few ok players but as above says need likes of Brayford back (immediately captain), hopefully another centre half and a midfield leader and then Done/Adams/Harris. Even then not sure we have enough.

Sick of this division and sick of losing to sides like Bury (as much as that contradicts above) but we have not done enough to improve a wholly average and bloated squad of journeyman/ Scottish division one players. That's not just about today but fear that as it has twice this season sides can turn us over and stop us quite easily.

I'm shocked that people say, and are happy with, "I hope we have Burn etcetera sorted by the end of the month"

IT'S THE MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER!!!

And people are happy with us addressing a problem we've had since Harry left, at the end of September, on a short term loan. And then only maybe!

I feel like some people need physically shaking!

 

[sitwell]

We desperately need a strong experienced leader in the middle of the pitch ,we can get by everywhere else as we have cover ,but are lacking a motivational strong arrogant character who can play a bit in the middle. John Eustace a couple of years ago type of player ,cant keep waiting for Wallace ,Atkins should be scouring the leagues now for this player ,any suggestions ?

 

[super_pig]

Woolford is a bit Marmite - I thought he did OK today and had good energy, but others see him differently.

thought woolford did ok when JCR went off and then (inexplicably) gets the hook himself. weird substitutions ..
when Flynn came on i said. that's it we've lost.

 

[Deadbat]

Bob Booker fit?

 

[Deadbat]

Results can go either way. You win some you lose some because luck plays a part.

The bottom line is we were a better team than Bury. On most other days we'd have won 3-1 and everyone would be saying it was a great performance etc.
We totally dominated for long spells and if it was a boxing match it might have been stopped.

We lost because of poor finishing and McEveleys errors.
Challenged off the ball for the first when he could easily have passed it
And letting it bounce trying to control it for the third.

It's supposed to be the golden rule of defending. If in doubt just clear it into row Z.

We live and learn to fight another day. Plenty of time yet.

David Flitcroft said we could not live with them - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34160424

Odd interview

 

[Bladesman]

Have no fear I have found us a new keeper.

 

[Harry's Game]

Big problem is we are never going to be, at this level, a club that gets promoted with average journey men players, one that sneaks up almost unnoticed on the rails, Rotherham, Brentford etc might get away with it but we have a huge target on our backs as "The Big Beast" in this division and everyone is going to raise their game and plot their tactics against us.

Wendnesday, Wolves, Leeds etc were all in the same position and realised that the only way to get out of here was to overpower the opposition by buying up all the best players available for this League and even then it was still a struggle.

Think about the squads those three teams had and ask yourself how many of our current squad would have made their promotion teams... Probably Brayford and Sharp and that's it.

I am not saying we can't make the top two but it is going to be a long hard slog, and those who were saying we would be promoted before the end of March don't know what they are on about.

 

[finlaytheblade]

There's no "I told you so" to tell, I'm afraid. I simply said that no-one can say whether a game is "easy" or not until it is played. We had much the greater possession, 14 times as many corners and many more attempts at goal. There most certainly will be easy games this season. We just won't know which ones until afterwards!

Here's a genuine "told you so" though, for all you Bladey Blades:

Louis Reed - Not Good Enough - Nowhere near.

Bit harsh on reedy there Pinch I thought he had a good 1st half (always available to receive the ball) 2nd half he gave the ball away cheaply and Adkins took him off as probably feeling tired due to his England appearances he is still only just 18 and he will have dipps like today.A good coach will realise this and take him off ,he still has a long road to travel on the way to being a quality player but the qualities he shows
Along side his willingness to learn give him a great chance but as I just said he has a long road to travel.

 

[beatific blade]

There's no "I told you so" to tell, I'm afraid. I simply said that no-one can say whether a game is "easy" or not until it is played. We had much the greater possession, 14 times as many corners and many more attempts at goal. There most certainly will be easy games this season. We just won't know which ones until afterwards!

Here's a genuine "told you so" though, for all you Bladey Blades:

Louis Reed - Not Good Enough - Nowhere near.

Sorry Pinchoccio but you don't half talk some absolute bollocks on this forum.

I've sat back and read your comments again and again. For a (short) while I thought "you know what, fair enough, he can say what he wants, it's the point of the forum".

After that though, it quickly dawned how downright arrogant and rude you are to other members of this forum.

It would possibly be justified if you were ever right, but you're taking a stab in the dark just as much as the rest of us mere mortals - do I need to bring up the legendary "Weir'll certainly be top 2" comment?

Maybe it's just me but I do wish you would please chill out and stop attacking other contributors - this "Bladesfans' Way" thing that you take so much obnoxious pride in needs to be parked. You come across like a first class bell end.

Other than the above, I appreciate your input.

 

[PeteBlade]

Sorry Pinchoccio but you don't half talk some absolute bollocks on this forum.

I've sat back and read your comments again and again. For a (short) while I thought "you know what, fair enough, he can say what he wants, it's the point of the forum".

After that though, it quickly dawned how downright arrogant and rude you are to other members of this forum.

It would possibly be justified if you were ever right, but you're taking a stab in the dark just as much as the rest of us mere mortals - do I need to bring up the legendary "Weir'll certainly be top 2" comment?

Maybe it's just me but I do wish you would please chill out and stop attacking other contributors - this "Bladesfans' Way" thing that you take so much obnoxious pride in needs to be parked. You come across like a first class bell end.

Other than the above, I appreciate your input.

Could I like this twice?

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

We desperately need a strong experienced leader in the middle of the pitch ,we can get by everywhere else as we have cover ,but are lacking a motivational strong arrogant character who can play a bit in the middle. John Eustace a couple of years ago type of player ,cant keep waiting for Wallace ,Atkins should be scouring the leagues now for this player ,any suggestions ?

Sam Morsy. Dean Saunders said he was amazed no-one came in for him before the window closed. And Morsy's got that nasty side to him that we are crying out for. And also, we could do with the average age of the first team being younger (& more dynamic) than it is: Morsy's got youth on his side.

Not gonna happen though.

On the Woolford point made above - I too thought he was decent today. He just looks so bloody awkward - as if he's leaving his legs behind when he goes off on his runs.

 

[Pinchy]

I'm shocked that people say, and are happy with, "I hope we have Burn etcetera sorted by the end of the month"

IT'S THE MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER!!!

And people are happy with us addressing a problem we've had since Harry left, at the end of September, on a short term loan. And then only maybe!

I feel like some people need physically shaking!

Yes, you! I fear it is the only way. I've tried on a few occasions to explain to you in plain, simple words but all in vain...

 

[PeteBlade]

Yes, you! I fear it is the only way. I've tried on a few occasions to explain to you in plain, simple words but all in vain...

All I've seen you do is speak absolute nonsense on a few occasions.

I also read from another thread you lectured people about how Weir would have us in the top two?

How did that go?