CONFIRMED Jamie Murphy sold to Brighton & Hove Albion

[Mustela Putorius Furo]

You are completely and utterly dismissing the fact that there might be a release clause.

SUFC may NOT have an option but to let Brighton talk to Murphy.

UTB

No, I'm not. Release clauses are part of the flawed selling strategy. SUFC always had an option. They had a choice when they established the contract to not include one, or make it unachievable. Murphy would have had a choice as to whether or not to accept the Ts&Cs. But since the club is hard-wired to think of player sales as opposed to retention it gets rolled over on transfers and continues to offload its talent.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

They sold him for a ridiculous fee that Liverpool would have been mad to turn down. I'll wait to see the Murphy fee, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say this isn't really comparable.

What is comparable is that every player has a trigger, either in a contact or in the Clubs mind.
No one knows what Murphy's new contract was in January 2015 when he signed.
I would be staggered if his agent didn't have a release clause so that his client could actually earn more money going up the football pyramid.
It's how the football works - whether we long suffering fans like it or not.

The main issue for us all, is that we are still in this shit league - anyone want to blame Clough?

UTB

 

[LoughboroBlade]

You are completely and utterly dismissing the fact that there might be a release clause.

SUFC may NOT have an option but to let Brighton talk to Murphy.

UTB

They might not now, sure. But they are 100% culpable for negotiating a deal with such a clause in, if indeed the case.

This is hardly a case of poor old powerless United. We agreed a contract with him in January. If there's a release clause in there, we effectively left ourselves open the moment it was signed for us to sell him at a time not of our choosing.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

They might not now, sure. But they are 100% culpable for negotiating a deal with such a clause in, if indeed the case.

This is hardly a case of poor old powerless United. We agreed a contract with him in January. If there's a release clause in there, we effectively left ourselves open the moment it was signed for us to sell him at a time not of our choosing.

and what if Murphy on the instructions of his agent, ONLY agreed to a new contract with a release clause.

Sure I am playing devils advocate - as a club, we may not have had any choice.

UTB

 

[bricktop]

I love how our fans go into absolute melt down at the flip of a switch. It's brilliant to watch.

It's not brilliant to watch.

It's unpleasant that our loyal, dedicated and long suffering fans who have seen thin and thinner over the years have been lied and bullshitted to once again.

There is no brilliance to watching people getting royally fucked off unless you a pig fan masquerading as a Blade.

 

[Mustela Putorius Furo]

What is comparable is that every player has a trigger, either in a contact or in the Clubs mind.
No one knows what Murphy's new contract was in January 2015 when he signed.
I would be staggered if his agent didn't have a release clause so that his client could actually earn more money going up the football pyramid.
It's how the football works - whether we long suffering fans like it or not.

The main issue for us all, is that we are still in this shit league - anyone want to blame Clough?

UTB

And how do we get out of it?

Personally not that bothered about Murphy per se, but I am baffled by the overall strategy of acquiring 35 mostly average players and flogging one of the best of them... (release clause or not) and the longer term flawed strategy of not retaining any core talent.... (whether Clough's got anything to do with it or not).

Anyway, I'm off to the Bulls Head for swift one now!

 

[The_Green_Man]

Brighton's version of Rob Staton has apparently tweeted that Jamie Murphy has been down in Brighton all day with representatives and that the initial fee is meant to be in the region of £1.5m with add ons.

 

[Barney]

I love how our fans go into absolute melt down at the flip of a switch. It's brilliant to watch.

I came back on to my laptop to 100 more replies. I was at least expecting him to have been sold. XD

 

[bartman]

Our 'game-changing' board.

Except it would appear only one person on that Board is putting money in.

I can understand why Harry had to be sold(one year left on his contract etc etc) I cannot see the logic in selling Murphy(if that is the case) as his wages will be in FFP and he has 2 years left on his contract.

Is this a sign of more financial woes for us or an indication that Adkins has to sell before he can bring any more players in?

 

[Mustela Putorius Furo]

and what if Murphy on the instructions of his agent, ONLY agreed to a new contract with a release clause.

Sure I am playing devils advocate - as a club, we may not have had any choice.

UTB

Understand the devils' ad bit... I do it myself.... My view is that Murphy should have been told... "fuck your agent's demands if you want to play for SUFC... we'll be paying you more than at any club that will give you a release clause which is why you ain't having one from us". If he wouldn't sign on that basis, we should've looked elsewhere. SUFC always have a choice. Murphy isn't the best player in the universe.

 

[bartman]

. Murphy isn't the best player in the universe.

Diego is ;-)

 

[Barney]

Except it would appear only one person on that Board is putting money in.

I can understand why Harry had to be sold(one year left on his contract etc etc) I cannot see the logic in selling Murphy(if that is the case) as his wages will be in FFP and he has 2 years left on his contract.

Is this a sign of more financial woes for us or an indication that Adkins has to sell before he can bring any more players in?

Sell yes but we have far more league 2 standard players waiting to be sold.

Ideally we wouldn't sell our best player but if for example the money is over £2m then I would trust Adkins to find an adequate or even better replacement. After all what's the point in hiring a manager if you aren't willing to trust him.

 

[FTPE]

In two minds about it all.

- he's probably our best player.
He's also very inconsistent.
- 2m is good business.
only if we invest it.
- Woolford is going to be his replacement.
Woolford isn't fit to tie Murphy's boots.
- If we need the money, there are less influential players we could sell.
Nobody would buy them.
-The season has started and Murph is clearly in Adkins plans.
It's only early and we've finally got a scout.
- He would be replaceable,
But would any normal club sell they're prized assets at this stage!?

 

[robbiez666]

Bloody hope not. Can't say I would be surprised though.

Don;t write Woolford off just yet, he's a lot better player than we've seen so far.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

And how do we get out of it?

Personally not that bothered about Murphy per se, but I am baffled by the overall strategy of acquiring 35 mostly average players and flogging one of the best of them... (release clause or not) and the longer term flawed strategy of not retaining any core talent.... (whether Clough's got anything to do with it or not).

Anyway, I'm off to the Bulls Head for swift one now!

you are obviously cross - and I will be too if he goes.

NC made some poor purchases and the wages need paying for. This might be a solution to some of those - I don't know.
The club has to live within it's means - this might all be to do with FFP.

Enjoy the pint ! - Beer I hope, not poxxy lager !

UTB

 

[LoughboroBlade]

and what if Murphy on the instructions of his agent, ONLY agreed to a new contract with a release clause.

Sure I am playing devils advocate - as a club, we may not have had any choice.

You keep saying "the club had no choice" - of course we have a choice on the matter. That's why plenty of players are sold due to a breakdown in contract negotiations.

I don't disagree with clauses per se. But they have to be at a level that is at the very least representative of the value the club holds the player in. If that's £2.2m I'd say it's a poor price for us. If it's £1.5m I'd say it's a dreadful price – and poor negotiation by the club.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Murphy isn't the best player in the universe.

The danger for me is that Woolford is the natural choice for left side midfield - now that would be a travesty.

UTB

 

[Fulwood Blade]

You keep saying "the club had no choice" - of course we have a choice on the matter.

I do not understand why you say we have a choice.

If Murphy's contract says " if a.n.other club offers £2.2M pounds and I agree personal terms then SUFC will sell me to said club"

The club is being rubbished by fan speculation when no one knows anything.

UTB

 

[Fiery Blade]

In two minds about it all.

- he's probably our best player.
He's also very inconsistent.
- 2m is good business.
only if we invest it.
- Woolford is going to be his replacement.
Woolford isn't fit to tie Murphy's boots.
- If we need the money, there are less influential players we could sell.
Nobody would buy them.
-The season has started and Murph is clearly in Adkins plans.
It's only early and we've finally got a scout.
- He would be replaceable,
But would any normal club sell they're prized assets at this stage!?

Woolford isn't fit to lace my boots !!

Buy Nathan Byrne from Swindon with the money !

 

[bricktop]

Woolford isn't fit to lace my boots !!

Buy Nathan Byrne from Swindon with the money !

Anyone who think that the board will spent the money on Nathan Byrne has obviously been over indulging on the turps.

 

[robbiez666]

I saw Woolford play for Millwall, and whilst he doesn't pose the attacking threat Murphy can, he's a lot better and offers a lot more than we've seen so far.

I really hope, for our own sanity, that Adkins has a couple of signings he's going to announce before the game should the move go through.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I do not understand why you say we have a choice.

If Murphy's contract says " if a.n.other club offers £2.2M pounds and I agree personal terms then SUFC will sell me to said club"

The club is being rubbished by fan speculation when no one knows anything.

We negotiated a contract. If we agreed to inclusion of a release clause, we had a choice - we could have refused, and if it was a deal-breaker could have sold him. Whatever the terms are in Murphy's deal, we have agreed to them. If there's a release clause, we have agreed to it. And we have, let be clear on this, therefore agreed to someone effectively being able to come in and sign him – at a time we have zero control over.

 

[alcoblade]

We negotiated a contract. If we agreed to inclusion of a release clause, we had a choice - we could have refused, and if it was a deal-breaker could have sold him. Whatever the terms are in Murphy's deal, we have agreed to them. If there's a release clause, we have agreed to it. And we have, let be clear on this, therefore agreed to someone effectively being able to come in and sign him – at a time we have zero control over.

Would you have been happy if Murphy has refused to sign our new contract offer and walked for free?

 

[Bartleby]

Adkins said summat about cutting your cloth in interview this week. Not trying to be a happy clapper, but just wondering if he may have a deal close to being lined up that is dependent on the money from this? Seem to be so many reports from all over on twitter now that I can't see it not happening.

 

[Darthblade]

I would consider £2.2m a fair deal for Murphy

The issue for me would be not the fee, but whether NA gets to see it all. If he does then perhaps we will end up stronger overall. If he doesn't, then we are back on the road to be being royally fked

NA would be unlikely to get the money to spend in the same way that NC got f**k all until the end of January when the board panicked !!
Its the blades way ........
UTB & FTP

 

[Pinchy]

Don;t write Woolford off just yet, he's a lot better player than we've seen so far.

People were writing off the now absolutely essential Jamie Murphy at a similar stage in his United career.

It's a funny old game....

 

[Darthblade]

and what if Murphy's agent insisted on a release clause before signing? Do you know? I don't.

UTB

I'm sure that Morgs could have been asked to go and have a "full and frank discussion" with the bloodsucking leech of an agent !!
UTB & FTP

 

[Pedro Verde]

If that's £2.2m I'd say it's a poor price for us. If it's £1.5m I'd say it's a dreadful price – and poor negotiation by the club.

Murphy is not worth more than £2.2m he is replaceable and is far too inconsistent and is often marked out of the game by opposing teams

 

[Toronto Blade]

Who can blame Murphy for having a release clause he wouldn't want to spend anymore time in this poor league if a higher league club came in for him.
If he goes I would expect the fee would be paid in installments and for an undisclosed fee.

 

[Rodders]

Except it would appear only one person on that Board is putting money in.

I can understand why Harry had to be sold(one year left on his contract etc etc) I cannot see the logic in selling Murphy(if that is the case) as his wages will be in FFP and he has 2 years left on his contract.

Is this a sign of more financial woes for us or an indication that Adkins has to sell before he can bring any more players in?

To me, it the indication that this current squad, as average as it is, costs a fucking fortune.