Reasons for optimism

[Revolution]

Trouble is, he's like a panto villain who invites mockery.

As for you comment about being right about last season, you actually regard this as a remarkable talent worthy of applause? Jeez!

Well, you didn't have that talent, as most of your posts contained at least one or two digs against posters who had the temerity to suggest we weren't automatic promotion material or were in any way negative about the team.

 

[Blade55]

Adkins knows what's needed - whether he can correct it depends on the Board........... FFP rules / moving players out (that nobody wants ?) / and getting players to come to a club that is unfortunately established in League one - albeit with supporters and ground many will envy. (My) Pre-season optimism was based on Adkins being allowed to do the job brought in for (with the necessary signings) and getting the best out of "underperformers". After one competitive game reality has set in.

Getting Adkins is ambition. Giving him a dirty pair of overalls to work in isn't. I'm hoping he's taken to the tailors sharpish for a new shirt and tie at the very least - instead of just sending his overalls back to the cleaners.

 

[Come from away]

If all our players were fully fit there are at least four or five who would not have started the game. Adkins is working on bringing in CBs, so i will wait to judge until we have a fitter squad and new CBs. Still a poor performance under any circumstances, but not the end of the world.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

1) Done will be back soon, and given his recent tweet, Brayford too

2) We have a decent keeper in Howard if Long is dropped

3) We'll certainly be signing at least one, probably two CB's before the transfer window closes

4)We have an extremely well-qualified manager who's gambled his entire reputation and future career on getting the Blades up. Failure isn't an option for him

5)Errr....well that's four at least

I'd agree with that. Also he's seen the players in a competitive game and is better placed to judge what's required.

 

[pommpey]

You do make some god points Pompey, if only you wouldn't be so pessimistic all the time more people might take you seriously (can't honestly remember reading a post from you which wasn't some form of attack unless it was a response to someone agreeing with you).

Well, forgive me if you can. It does seem like a very, very long time since the team I support and have always supported put in a consistent run of convincing games whereby we've looked like a capable footballing side. Apart from a pretty rosy few games when Cluff came in, when was the last time we actually looked like Sheffield United?

I've already said that I take back my pre season comments about JMac and Collins BUT why should people like me not believe that a new manager might be able to improve the organisation and ability to defend set pieces of a team which didn't even seem to practice that last season? Our optimism on this may have been misplaced but there's no reason to attack it. Telling us that the touchpaper was lit leads me to believe that you were waiting (almost hoping) for yesterdays result so that you could launch one of your famous rants.

There is every reason to go on the attack. If Sheffield United were a stick of rock, 'complacency', 'optimism' and 'acceptance' might be three words stamped right through it. We have had almost two handsful of managers since we were last in the top flight and to be realistic and logical and brutally honest about them and their teams is not 'attacking' them. They earn a fucktonne more money than you or I and enjoy pretty cosseted lifestyles and doubt they troll these boards worrying much about what pommpey thinks about them.

The ridiculous amount of stupid laying down of palms at the feet of Adkins shows what a daft, uncynical lot some of us can be. I was admitting that yes, he is a capable manager but no, he won't do fuck all unless he ships out the weak and the frail and reinforces the side with players above Division One standard. Yesterday is episode one of me being proven right. I hope to fuck it is a short, one-episode series. I hope it is replaced with 'pommpey eating his words' but for one moment, can you see that happening? With Collins and McEverly looking like two telegraph poles in our defence? With 'poor little' George in goal, flapping and shitting himself every time the ball comes into our half? With people like Scougall, talented in someone else's league and Baxter who turns in one 7/10 per season and people are still dribbling semen from their penises over one fucking tackle he did late on in a cup game last season? And then there's the front line. Billy 'I hope he comes back' Bladey and a few others (including fucking Higdon, who should have been metaphorically taken out and quietly shot after last season's dismal arrival an remainder) And you ask me to 'go easy' on this? Why?

I also have to ask WTF the swine beating Bristol has to do with us and our failure to beat them last season? Bristol were clearly the best side in Div 1 last season and won their first game away to a Div 1 team (remember, that's what we are) whereas this season they've just been promoted to a higher division and lost away to team who, whether we like it or not, have been playing at that level for a few years already and have invested heavily in players in the summer. Fail to see the comparison.

It's a comparison for two reasons. Firstly, simply, it's the grunts. Brizzle came to the same city one year on to the opposite side and were turned over. That's slightly humiliating. Okay - it's <I>quite</I> humiliating. Secondly, cast your mind back to last season. We'd failed to land Coady, Maguire fucked off and Brayford was back at Cardiff. We were all 'Oooh, it's on Sky, BDTBL will be rammed and BRING ON THE NEW SEASON! THIS IS IT, BLADESMAN! WE - ARE - GOING - UP!" We went one down, equalised and lost. And we lost quite easily to Brizzle. They turned in a 'workmanlike performance' (in footballing parlance) and that was their consistency all season, utilising some hallmark players to shit all over the league and go up unchallenged. Meanwhile, we struggled to even make the playoffs, confident that really, we were never going to beat a plainly shit Swindon who were bummed endways by Preston at Wembley. But this season, our rivals welcomed Brizzle, and turned them over, thanks to what looks like a progressive manager (and I hate to say it) some good players they have acquired and a really positive manner of play. At the end of last season I'd have stuck a twenty on Brizzle bumming the pigs into madness. Yesterday the pigs showed the gulf in class between us, and them. THAT hurts.

Please continue to post and make your points, I enjoy reading them in the main, but I think more people would debate with you if you were a little more balanced .

I don't know how balanced you want me to be HBY. We are not very good and I expect us to do better. I expect us to be in the Championship next season and I expect the board to back the manager in acquiring better players and discarding the ones who failed us last season. That better?

pommpey

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Adkins knows what's needed - whether he can correct it depends on the Board........... FFP rules / moving players out (that nobody wants ?) / and getting players to come to a club that is unfortunately established in League one - albeit with supporters and ground many will envy. (My) Pre-season optimism was based on Adkins being allowed to do the job brought in for (with the necessary signings) and getting the best out of "underperformers". After one competitive game reality has set in.

Getting Adkins is ambition. Giving him a dirty pair of overalls to work in isn't. I'm hoping he's taken to the tailors sharpish for a new shirt and tie at the very least - instead of just sending his overalls back to the cleaners.

Good post.

There's plenty to work with. If he can't do it then we really are stuck.

All I'd query is has the game moved on in Division 3 since he was last here?

If it has, and he's managing from a few seasons go, then it might take a while (hopefully not too long) to adjust expectations and requirements.

 

[pommpey]

Good post.

There's plenty to work with. If he can't do it then we really are stuck.

All I'd query is has the game moved on in Division 3 since he was last here?

If it has, and he's managing from a few seasons go, then it might take a while (hopefully not too long) to adjust expectations and requirements.

Oh, stop it WHF. Stop it, will you?

Bloody football is football is football. Not much has changed, Div One is still Div One. I am not saying he is a shit manager - Cluff wasn't a shit manager. You lot are all - as expected - focussing on the assumed weaknesses of the bloke in the dugout. If this were Micky Adams or Bryan Robson who were clearly fucking clueless, then I'd give you that. The players are the problem here. Under Adams and Robson we could - and should have done better save for some shitstopping poor decisions with obvious talent (and cunts in the boardroom supporting them and selling the best players of course)

This time it is 80% of the crap out on the park. Adkins can't turn shit into Coco Pops.

pommpey

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Bloody football is football is football. Not much has changed, Div One is still Div One. [...] You lot are all - as expected - focussing on the assumed weaknesses of the bloke in the dugout.

This doesn't seem to follow from what I wrote:

If he can't do it then we really are stuck.

ie I think Adkins is the best man for the job.

As for the rest of it: football clearly does evolve - like pretty much everything else, and Division 3 will have moved on since he was last here. Is it some kind of minor incremental improvement in pace, standards, and management, or some transformation into an unrecognisable new game?

Probably nearer the first.

 

[him behind you]

Well, forgive me if you can. It does seem like a very, very long time since the team I support and have always supported put in a consistent run of convincing games whereby we've looked like a capable footballing side. Apart from a pretty rosy few games when Cluff came in, when was the last time we actually looked like Sheffield United?



There is every reason to go on the attack. If Sheffield United were a stick of rock, 'complacency', 'optimism' and 'acceptance' might be three words stamped right through it. We have had almost two handsful of managers since we were last in the top flight and to be realistic and logical and brutally honest about them and their teams is not 'attacking' them. They earn a fucktonne more money than you or I and enjoy pretty cosseted lifestyles and doubt they troll these boards worrying much about what pommpey thinks about them.

The ridiculous amount of stupid laying down of palms at the feet of Adkins shows what a daft, uncynical lot some of us can be. I was admitting that yes, he is a capable manager but no, he won't do fuck all unless he ships out the weak and the frail and reinforces the side with players above Division One standard. Yesterday is episode one of me being proven right. I hope to fuck it is a short, one-episode series. I hope it is replaced with 'pommpey eating his words' but for one moment, can you see that happening? With Collins and McEverly looking like two telegraph poles in our defence? With 'poor little' George in goal, flapping and shitting himself every time the ball comes into our half? With people like Scougall, talented in someone else's league and Baxter who turns in one 7/10 per season and people are still dribbling semen from their penises over one fucking tackle he did late on in a cup game last season? And then there's the front line. Billy 'I hope he comes back' Bladey and a few others (including fucking Higdon, who should have been metaphorically taken out and quietly shot after last season's dismal arrival an remainder) And you ask me to 'go easy' on this? Why?



It's a comparison for two reasons. Firstly, simply, it's the grunts. Brizzle came to the same city one year on to the opposite side and were turned over. That's slightly humiliating. Okay - it's <I>quite</I> humiliating. Secondly, cast your mind back to last season. We'd failed to land Coady, Maguire fucked off and Brayford was back at Cardiff. We were all 'Oooh, it's on Sky, BDTBL will be rammed and BRING ON THE NEW SEASON! THIS IS IT, BLADESMAN! WE - ARE - GOING - UP!" We went one down, equalised and lost. And we lost quite easily to Brizzle. They turned in a 'workmanlike performance' (in footballing parlance) and that was their consistency all season, utilising some hallmark players to shit all over the league and go up unchallenged. Meanwhile, we struggled to even make the playoffs, confident that really, we were never going to beat a plainly shit Swindon who were bummed endways by Preston at Wembley. But this season, our rivals welcomed Brizzle, and turned them over, thanks to what looks like a progressive manager (and I hate to say it) some good players they have acquired and a really positive manner of play. At the end of last season I'd have stuck a twenty on Brizzle bumming the pigs into madness. Yesterday the pigs showed the gulf in class between us, and them. THAT hurts.



I don't know how balanced you want me to be HBY. We are not very good and I expect us to do better. I expect us to be in the Championship next season and I expect the board to back the manager in acquiring better players and discarding the ones who failed us last season. That better?

What does looking like sheffield united mean? To me I'd like it to be playing the good passing, attacking football I was brought up on in the late 60s, early 70s but in all honesty that's been so rare so I'd say it was under Wilson before our star player got sent down. To some it will be aggressive, tough fast football often with the ball sent long ala Bassett and Warnock. To many it will be the abject garbage we've had to put up with for probably the majority of my 50 years watching them. So, like you, I'm desperate to see some improvement and, overall, to be entertained. But I do try not to let my feelings take over. With regard to you going on the attack, venting your spleen on here about the team is fine but the way I read your post was that you were actually attacking any supporter who simply does not agree with you, if I read it wrong then I apologise but if not then I think you'reout of order as we all have our own points of view and we should enjoy the debate. Sometimes the written word does not convey the context it's meant in.

I still think the comparison is not realistic and, tbh, I refuse to let that bag of shit winning one game upset me. It does hurt that they are clearly currently miles ahead of us but it's not as bad as it was in the 90s when they won at Wembleyand were top end of the prem.

We both agree that urgent action with the squad is required (me in hindsight admittedly) but we can only hope that it is - I still think Adkins is the man to do it but only if he has the support to do it. No amount of shouting and anger on here will make a difference. I still live in hope that the board and Adkins realise this but the only thing that would make the board take note is if (when) it affects them financially and no one is watching them. I think complacency and acceptance can be levelled at the board for as long as I can remember because fans have always paid money no matter what, but that's the problem of having such a strong, loyal fan base. I don't know the answer because we simply can't force out an owner without someone to buy, and you and i don't have the money to do that.

oh, and it's much better thanks

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Also, to reply to the OP: I think the plan was to be more attacking; that would mean they would score, score but we would score more. Good plan.

We've definitely got the hang of letting the opposition score, we just have to work on the other side of it now. We're half way there!

UTMB.

 

[him behind you]

Well, forgive me if you can. It does seem like a very, very long time since the team I support and have always supported put in a consistent run of convincing games whereby we've looked like a capable footballing side. Apart from a pretty rosy few games when Cluff came in, when was the last time we actually looked like Sheffield United?



There is every reason to go on the attack. If Sheffield United were a stick of rock, 'complacency', 'optimism' and 'acceptance' might be three words stamped right through it. We have had almost two handsful of managers since we were last in the top flight and to be realistic and logical and brutally honest about them and their teams is not 'attacking' them. They earn a fucktonne more money than you or I and enjoy pretty cosseted lifestyles and doubt they troll these boards worrying much about what pommpey thinks about them.

The ridiculous amount of stupid laying down of palms at the feet of Adkins shows what a daft, uncynical lot some of us can be. I was admitting that yes, he is a capable manager but no, he won't do fuck all unless he ships out the weak and the frail and reinforces the side with players above Division One standard. Yesterday is episode one of me being proven right. I hope to fuck it is a short, one-episode series. I hope it is replaced with 'pommpey eating his words' but for one moment, can you see that happening? With Collins and McEverly looking like two telegraph poles in our defence? With 'poor little' George in goal, flapping and shitting himself every time the ball comes into our half? With people like Scougall, talented in someone else's league and Baxter who turns in one 7/10 per season and people are still dribbling semen from their penises over one fucking tackle he did late on in a cup game last season? And then there's the front line. Billy 'I hope he comes back' Bladey and a few others (including fucking Higdon, who should have been metaphorically taken out and quietly shot after last season's dismal arrival an remainder) And you ask me to 'go easy' on this? Why?



It's a comparison for two reasons. Firstly, simply, it's the grunts. Brizzle came to the same city one year on to the opposite side and were turned over. That's slightly humiliating. Okay - it's <I>quite</I> humiliating. Secondly, cast your mind back to last season. We'd failed to land Coady, Maguire fucked off and Brayford was back at Cardiff. We were all 'Oooh, it's on Sky, BDTBL will be rammed and BRING ON THE NEW SEASON! THIS IS IT, BLADESMAN! WE - ARE - GOING - UP!" We went one down, equalised and lost. And we lost quite easily to Brizzle. They turned in a 'workmanlike performance' (in footballing parlance) and that was their consistency all season, utilising some hallmark players to shit all over the league and go up unchallenged. Meanwhile, we struggled to even make the playoffs, confident that really, we were never going to beat a plainly shit Swindon who were bummed endways by Preston at Wembley. But this season, our rivals welcomed Brizzle, and turned them over, thanks to what looks like a progressive manager (and I hate to say it) some good players they have acquired and a really positive manner of play. At the end of last season I'd have stuck a twenty on Brizzle bumming the pigs into madness. Yesterday the pigs showed the gulf in class between us, and them. THAT hurts.



I don't know how balanced you want me to be HBY. We are not very good and I expect us to do better. I expect us to be in the Championship next season and I expect the board to back the manager in acquiring better players and discarding the ones who failed us last season. That better?

pommpey

Not sure what happened with the original response
What does looking like sheffield united mean? To me I'd like it to be playing the good passing, attacking football I was brought up on in the late 60s, early 70s but in all honesty that's been so rare so I'd say it was under Wilson before our star player got sent down. To some it will be aggressive, tough fast football often with the ball sent long ala Bassett and Warnock. To many it will be the abject garbage we've had to put up with for probably the majority of my 50 years watching them. So, like you, I'm desperate to see some improvement and, overall, to be entertained. But I do try not to let my feelings take over. With regard to you going on the attack, venting your spleen on here about the team is fine but the way I read your post was that you were actually attacking any supporter who simply does not agree with you, if I read it wrong then I apologise but if not then I think you'reout of order as we all have our own points of view and we should enjoy the debate. Sometimes the written word does not convey the context it's meant in.


I still think the comparison is not realistic and, tbh, I refuse to let that bag of shit winning one game upset me. It does hurt that they are clearly currently miles ahead of us but it's not as bad as it was in the 90s when they won at Wembleyand were top end of the prem.


We both agree that urgent action with the squad is required (me in hindsight admittedly) but we can only hope that it is - I still think Adkins is the man to do it but only if he has the support to do it. No amount of shouting and anger on here will make a difference. I still live in hope that the board and Adkins realise this but the only thing that would make the board take note is if (when) it affects them financially and no one is watching them. I think complacency and acceptance can be levelled at the board for as long as I can remember because fans have always paid money no matter what, but that's the problem of having such a strong, loyal fan base. I don't know the answer because we simply can't force out an owner without someone to buy, and you and i don't have the money to do that.


oh, and it's much better thanks

 

[him behind you]

Oh, stop it WHF. Stop it, will you?

Bloody football is football is football. Not much has changed, Div One is still Div One. I am not saying he is a shit manager - Cluff wasn't a shit manager. You lot are all - as expected - focussing on the assumed weaknesses of the bloke in the dugout. If this were Micky Adams or Bryan Robson who were clearly fucking clueless, then I'd give you that. The players are the problem here. Under Adams and Robson we could - and should have done better save for some shitstopping poor decisions with obvious talent (and cunts in the boardroom supporting them and selling the best players of course)

This time it is 80% of the crap out on the park. Adkins can't turn shit into Coco Pops.

pommpey

Now that I agree with.

 

[itsinyerblood]

No im saying you are a spiteful petty little man
You were then and you are now

Sir, I'm hurt x

6'2" if you must know

Well, you didn't have that talent, as most of your posts contained at least one or two digs against posters who had the temerity to suggest we weren't automatic promotion material or were in any way negative about the team.

Ah, just returned after a lovely day in the sun to find.......oh well, best to sort out this nonsense.

Let's examine and dissect your comments until we're left with.....

You mentioned most of my posts having a dig at posters who looked favourably upon our chances of achieving promotion, well as those posts run into a few thousand that's an awfully big shout. Perhaps you can back up this generalised (and incorrect) claim? If it's not too much trouble of course, I assume you've done your homework, after all, what would be the point of posting if you weren't sure of your facts?

I'd hate for you to have made an exaggerated statement only to reveal your bias has got the better of you? You're either factually correct about this or someone's telling fibs for effect, and if that's the case it kind of undermines your opinion.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Rev and me said in the shoutbox and on twitter yesterday that defence was worrying (pre kick off) as did many others. There is a culture of mediocrity at the club that the 'clappers' seem happy to accept. Judge. Rev me and many others pointed out last season from early on we wouldnt go up with that side and were proved correct. We stay with this team we won't go up again.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

If Adkins really thinks that this lot are good enough, then I'd agree. However manager after manager have brought in countless players who've added nothing. Quick fixes. Perhaps Adkins is taking a little longer to get the right men. And more worryingly, perhaps the woeful squad building of Clough has blown the budget.

Fortunately it's not hype about Adkins, and the facts say so. The. Clough love in ( did you join in?) was entirely built on hype.

UTB

Yes you are correct, various managers have brought in players who have added nothing. My answer is we are looking at the wrong clubs. Others, less well off than us appear to manage very well.

I was firmly in the Pro Clough camp, but was also in the give him another year camp. They were his players and although he accepted the CH debacle, he was going to change it in the summer. Clough brought in loads of players (with a plan in mind) - Adkins now has to dismantle that plan and try and adapt Clough type players which in itself is going to be difficult.

I do not know whether you agree or disagree, but 2 x CH's would go a long way to resolving out serious deficiency in defence. It also might make a very very poor Freeman a better player by having an experienced proper CH talk him through games - also apply that to Harris.

As for the hype about Clough, I disagree - he had a plan and wasn't given long enough. Yes it might have failed, but he had started a massive job of restructuring the whole club. Adkins may be very unlucky and get caught up in the fallout which would be unfortunate. He needs to solve the problem quickly - Clough tried last season and we apparently hit September 1 2014 saying "well, we tried for 3 or 4 players and got nowt" - exactly the same could happen to Adkins as it already appears as though "something" has fallen through.

We had exactly this situation 1 division up - this led to even more useless players being brought in by Micky Adams - and loads said then " we won't go down" - well we all know it did. We now have a very similar scenario and the danger signals were laid by Gillingham.

UTB

 

[alcoblade]

Yes you are correct, various managers have brought in players who have added nothing. My answer is we are looking at the wrong clubs. Others, less well off than us appear to manage very well.

I was firmly in the Pro Clough camp, but was also in the give him another year camp. They were his players and although he accepted the CH debacle, he was going to change it in the summer. Clough brought in loads of players (with a plan in mind) - Adkins now has to dismantle that plan and try and adapt Clough type players which in itself is going to be difficult.

I do not know whether you agree or disagree, but 2 x CH's would go a long way to resolving out serious deficiency in defence. It also might make a very very poor Freeman a better player by having an experienced proper CH talk him through games - also apply that to Harris.

As for the hype about Clough, I disagree - he had a plan and wasn't given long enough. Yes it might have failed, but he had started a massive job of restructuring the whole club. Adkins may be very unlucky and get caught up in the fallout which would be unfortunate. He needs to solve the problem quickly - Clough tried last season and we apparently hit September 1 2014 saying "well, we tried for 3 or 4 players and got nowt" - exactly the same could happen to Adkins as it already appears as though "something" has fallen through.

We had exactly this situation 1 division up - this led to even more useless players being brought in by Micky Adams - and loads said then " we won't go down" - well we all know it did. We now have a very similar scenario and the danger signals were laid by Gillingham.

UTB

I'll have to disagree about Clough's plan. He blew far too much of the budget, and built a far too unbalanced and bloated squad to get away with a "I know what we need from here" plan.

More than 18 months on and with a tonne of resource, we've got the most pathetic defensive lineup imaginable. We've got a team of midgets throughout who are far too easily out fought. This IS Clough's plan, and it's a fucking disaster.

He's nothing more than a plodder, it was clear as day before and even clearer after.

Thanks, but good riddance. Ding.

UTB

 

[Fulwood Blade]

I'll have to disagree about Clough's plan. He blew far too much of the budget, and built a far too unbalanced and bloated squad to get away with a "I know what we need from here" plan.

More than 18 months on and with a tonne of resource, we've got the most pathetic defensive lineup imaginable. We've got a team of midgets throughout who are far too easily out fought. This IS Clough's plan, and it's a fucking disaster.

He's nothing more than a plodder, it was clear as day before and even clearer after.

Thanks, but good riddance. Ding.

UTB

I am pleased Adkins can see the problem - question is does he have the bottle to resolve it. His nicey nicey approach needs a hard hitting approach to as you said solve a pathetic defensive lineup. I am sure he initially thinks he and his management team can make Cloughs players better - I doubt that.

If he doesn't then we are staring an even worse situation than least season.

UTB

 

[BladeFisher]

Mate, taking away the failure that past season was and the predicted sacking of Cluff, We have spent the time since Adkins signed saying things like:

" ... he's an experienced manager at this level ... "

" ... he's got previous for getting clubs out of this division ... "

" ... he will motivate the payers in a different way ... "

" ... his contacts in the game ... "

" ... Nigel will fix it ... "

" ... we'll sign players ... you'll see ... "

And yet, as the new season loomed ever closer, the optimists built their case that the saviour had arrived and the touchpaper was lit.

What happened today?

I'll tell you what happened today. Sheffield fucking Wednesday beat a team on the first day of the new season at Swills, whereby Sheffield United couldn't beat them on the first day of last season at BDTBL. Instead we got goosefatted by a pretty average side with out team containing pretty much the same players as last time we went to Priestfield and put in an abject performance last season.

I want people now to understand what the fuck I mean when I bang on about what a fucking charlatan and shyster McCabe is. He needs to apologise to ALL Sheffield United fans about his real intent about bringing the apparently wealthy Saudi prince on board and go public about what other individuals actually do with and for the club, and open his honesty out as to how much he really wants the team playing Premiership football within five years. The clock is ticking since that last statement. The Championship and Premiership still have a fucktonne of released players and transfer listed players who can ably replace the Div 2 and Conference level cloggers we have, and they cost money. We are not going to be promoted with even Mourinho in charge with the players we have, so any fantasies and illusions supporters have with regard Adkins being the solution need to stop taking the drugs they are on and face the reality.

Tell you what though. we'll have the best fucking playing surface outside the top three divisions next season if this shit continues.

pommpey

Abviously Pommpey you haven't had your initial dose of Sitwell's 'Man up' pills (q.v).

I'm with you, but not sure I'd shoot McCabe in the process.

 

[Revolution]

Sir, I'm hurt x

6'2" if you must know


Ah, just returned after a lovely day in the sun to find.......oh well, best to sort out this nonsense.

Let's examine and dissect your comments until we're left with.....

You mentioned most of my posts having a dig at posters who looked favourably upon our chances of achieving promotion, well as those posts run into a few thousand that's an awfully big shout. Perhaps you can back up this generalised (and incorrect) claim? If it's not too much trouble of course, I assume you've done your homework, after all, what would be the point of posting if you weren't sure of your facts?

I'd hate for you to have made an exaggerated statement only to reveal your bias has got the better of you? You're either factually correct about this or someone's telling fibs for effect, and if that's the case it kind of undermines your opinion.

Sure, I'll back that up. But like anyone else who is asked to wade through sewage, I'll expect to be paid for it.

How's this - I'll pull 20 posts of yours where you make those comments, and if I do it, you'll stop posting for a month. We'll let another poster judge whether or not these posts contain the digs I'm referring to. Deal?

 

[itsinyerblood]

Sure, I'll back that up. But like anyone else who is asked to wade through sewage, I'll expect to be paid for it.

How's this - I'll pull 20 posts of yours where you make those comments, and if I do it, you'll stop posting for a month. We'll let another poster judge whether or not these posts contain the digs I'm referring to. Deal?

Do your sums. As a reasonably conclusive example of what you're suggesting you reckon that 20 posts is sufficient to prove your point? That figure represents less than 1 percent of the number of posts I've written. I'll repeat, that's less than 1 percent, not even close to your accusation that in most of my posts I've commented negatively about posters who wish United to achieve promotion. Firstly you're wrong, secondly you're wrong, and thirdly, guess what.....?

To use the gauge that you appear to find acceptable I'd be more than happy if you used at least 30 percent (to emphasise, that's not 30 posts) of my posts to demonstrate your point. In case you're struggling with that, that's less than 50 percent of my posts. There's no basis for your comment, it's a typical negative poster's accusation that doesn't stand up to examination, but hey, why let that get in the way of a good headline - ever considered working for The Daily Star or National Enquirer? I mention this because that's the level of fantasy comment you're indulging in. It's a cheap shot, there's no basis for it, and it's down to you to support you stupidity with something more than a small and unrepresentative sample.

So, I've set what is a reasonable and acceptable number of posts by which you can once and for all show how pointless your accusation is. Now that shouldn't represent a problem for someone as black and white as yourself Rev, should it?

Just to underline, in any season I want United to achieve promotion. I don't employ knee-jerk reactions, I don't use negative forecasts based on one result (such as this weekend), and I don't concern myself with hysterical, lynchmob posts that offer nothing in the way of an informed and constructive opinion.
Now here's a thought, rather than focus on my posts, why not do due diligence of judge's posts? He seems to post very little that doesn't include finger-pointing based on.....well that's a good question, based on what exactly? If I see judge post anything that is well reasoned and considered then he'll receive exactly the same in return, I think that's fair. Same applies to you too, bye for now.

 

[judge]

Do your sums. As a reasonably conclusive example of what you're suggesting you reckon that 20 posts is sufficient to prove your point? That figure represents less than 1 percent of the number of posts I've written. I'll repeat, that's less than 1 percent, not even close to your accusation that in most of my posts I've commented negatively about posters who wish United to achieve promotion. Firstly you're wrong, secondly you're wrong, and thirdly, guess what.....?

To use the gauge that you appear to find acceptable I'd be more than happy if you used at least 30 percent (to emphasise, that's not 30 posts) of my posts to demonstrate your point. In case you're struggling with that, that's less than 50 percent of my posts. There's no basis for your comment, it's a typical negative poster's accusation that doesn't stand up to examination, but hey, why let that get in the way of a good headline - ever considered working for The Daily Star or National Enquirer? I mention this because that's the level of fantasy comment you're indulging in. It's a cheap shot, there's no basis for it, and it's down to you to support you stupidity with something more than a small and unrepresentative sample.

So, I've set what is a reasonable and acceptable number of posts by which you can once and for all show how pointless your accusation is. Now that shouldn't represent a problem for someone as black and white as yourself Rev, should it?

Just to underline, in any season I want United to achieve promotion. I don't employ knee-jerk reactions, I don't use negative forecasts based on one result (such as this weekend), and I don't concern myself with hysterical, lynchmob posts that offer nothing in the way of an informed and constructive opinion.
Now here's a thought, rather than focus on my posts, why not do due diligence of judge's posts? He seems to post very little that doesn't include finger-pointing based on.....well that's a good question, based on what exactly? If I see judge post anything that is well reasoned and considered then he'll receive exactly the same in return, I think that's fair. Same applies to you too, bye for now.

I think you are warped and only come in here to start arguments
Which you usually lose but convince yourself youve won

 

[itsinyerblood]

I think you are warped and only come in here to start arguments
Which you usually lose but convince yourself youve won

Oh dear

 

[Revolution]

Do your sums. As a reasonably conclusive example of what you're suggesting you reckon that 20 posts is sufficient to prove your point? That figure represents less than 1 percent of the number of posts I've written. I'll repeat, that's less than 1 percent, not even close to your accusation that in most of my posts I've commented negatively about posters who wish United to achieve promotion. Firstly you're wrong, secondly you're wrong, and thirdly, guess what.....?

To use the gauge that you appear to find acceptable I'd be more than happy if you used at least 30 percent (to emphasise, that's not 30 posts) of my posts to demonstrate your point. In case you're struggling with that, that's less than 50 percent of my posts. There's no basis for your comment, it's a typical negative poster's accusation that doesn't stand up to examination, but hey, why let that get in the way of a good headline - ever considered working for The Daily Star or National Enquirer? I mention this because that's the level of fantasy comment you're indulging in. It's a cheap shot, there's no basis for it, and it's down to you to support you stupidity with something more than a small and unrepresentative sample.

So, I've set what is a reasonable and acceptable number of posts by which you can once and for all show how pointless your accusation is. Now that shouldn't represent a problem for someone as black and white as yourself Rev, should it?

Just to underline, in any season I want United to achieve promotion. I don't employ knee-jerk reactions, I don't use negative forecasts based on one result (such as this weekend), and I don't concern myself with hysterical, lynchmob posts that offer nothing in the way of an informed and constructive opinion.
Now here's a thought, rather than focus on my posts, why not do due diligence of judge's posts? He seems to post very little that doesn't include finger-pointing based on.....well that's a good question, based on what exactly? If I see judge post anything that is well reasoned and considered then he'll receive exactly the same in return, I think that's fair. Same applies to you too, bye for now.

I didn't get past the first paragraph but I'll take it that's a no.

How disappointing.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I didn't get past the first paragraph but I'll take it that's a no.

How disappointing.

It's a yes, but on my terms, not your inadequate suggestion. If you can't rise to the occasion and make the effort stop playing at detective. If you can produce the percentage I've itemised then I'll be happy to stand by my comments, otherwise I suppose you'll return to the tired excuse that passes for a tangible example of what you're accusing me of.

As for the first paragraph, if you struggle with that it might explain a great deal.

 

[Revolution]

As for the first paragraph, if you struggle with that it might explain a great deal.

Yes, that life is too short to read all of one of your posts.

 

[Deleted member 1486]

To get back on topic, there could actually be a silver lining. There seemed (before this game) to be a gulf in thinking between us fans and the powers that be. I think we (posters here) are all pretty much in agreement that we need a CB or two and a solid keeper, and had hoped this would be addressed by now? I haven't seen anybody here argue with this point, and this game could have aligned their thinking to ours (hopefully).

Which would have been worse? Grinding out a draw and maybe a deceptive win or two and then repeating last year, desperately trying to hang on to games, giving points up in the final minutes and slowly watching the season get pissed away gradually, or one big tonking at the start of the season to force through the changes that we all know need to be made? If this game gets us the signings we need to push on, maybe it's a good thing (in the wider context of a season)?

 

[AlienBlade]

I suppose we could all be overreacting, but I want to us win the league, and I can't remember anyone ever doing that having got humiliated in the first game of the season.

didnt Norwich do that?

I seem to remember a resounding battering (7-1 at home to colchester..) 1point from their first 3 games actually... they was promoted as champions in 09/10 season.

 

[AlienBlade]

Mate, taking away the failure that past season was and the predicted sacking of Cluff, We have spent the time since Adkins signed saying things like:

" ... he's an experienced manager at this level ... "

" ... he's got previous for getting clubs out of this division ... "

" ... he will motivate the payers in a different way ... "

" ... his contacts in the game ... "

" ... Nigel will fix it ... "

" ... we'll sign players ... you'll see ... "

And yet, as the new season loomed ever closer, the optimists built their case that the saviour had arrived and the touchpaper was lit.

What happened today?

I'll tell you what happened today. Sheffield fucking Wednesday beat a team on the first day of the new season at Swills, whereby Sheffield United couldn't beat them on the first day of last season at BDTBL. Instead we got goosefatted by a pretty average side with out team containing pretty much the same players as last time we went to Priestfield and put in an abject performance last season.

I want people now to understand what the fuck I mean when I bang on about what a fucking charlatan and shyster McCabe is. He needs to apologise to ALL Sheffield United fans about his real intent about bringing the apparently wealthy Saudi prince on board and go public about what other individuals actually do with and for the club, and open his honesty out as to how much he really wants the team playing Premiership football within five years. The clock is ticking since that last statement. The Championship and Premiership still have a fucktonne of released players and transfer listed players who can ably replace the Div 2 and Conference level cloggers we have, and they cost money. We are not going to be promoted with even Mourinho in charge with the players we have, so any fantasies and illusions supporters have with regard Adkins being the solution need to stop taking the drugs they are on and face the reality.

Tell you what though. we'll have the best fucking playing surface outside the top three divisions next season if this shit continues.

pommpey

in reference to McCabe.... not quite sure what he has to do with bringing in all the players... as surely its the manager who brings them in... without the interference of the chairman (or co-chairman) the reason for the prince coming in was to invest money... unfortunately said investment is still being used to plug the huge gap between what we earn and what we pay out. (approx 4-5m a season)

the investment in the pitch actually helps adress the downfall in revenue (like Bristol did last season) in that they can host things non-football related thus generating the extra cash that can then be used to raise the money we can spend on the wages.

the other thing is there are not many "premiership players" or even "championship players" who are willing to drop down to league 1... hardly the fault of the manager or the chairmen....

I would also say it was the lack of "cloggers" that caused us some issues last season... where we attempted to over play it - sideways and backwards etc... rather than just lump it in the box and play the percentages game....

 

[pommpey]

in reference to McCabe.... not quite sure what he has to do with bringing in all the players... as surely its the manager who brings them in... without the interference of the chairman (or co-chairman) the reason for the prince coming in was to invest money... unfortunately said investment is still being used to plug the huge gap between what we earn and what we pay out. (approx 4-5m a season)

Well, I don't envisage Adkins as having his hands on the club bank account

the investment in the pitch actually helps adress the downfall in revenue (like Bristol did last season) in that they can host things non-football related thus generating the extra cash that can then be used to raise the money we can spend on the wages.

Wasn't that the rationale behing the South Stand, the Copthorne, the Business 'wing'? To generate income and revenue? It seems like there's a whole sunny business enterprise called Shefffield United plc, and then there's something regarding football with those chimps out on the pitch and those moany dickheads out there in the stands.

the other thing is there are not many "premiership players" or even "championship players" who are willing to drop down to league 1... hardly the fault of the manager or the chairmen....

Money talks. They are professional footballers, much of them out of a job with no contract or spondoolies or sponsorship deals.

I would also say it was the lack of "cloggers" that caused us some issues last season... where we attempted to over play it - sideways and backwards etc... rather than just lump it in the box and play the percentages game....

I'm not talking about booting it long. I'm talking about getting the ball, being aggressive, feeding it to the wings or through midfield and attacking the opposition. The reason we played it sidways last season is that our options up front or even 'in' front were non existent. We had no 'runners' and no route forward and Cluff wanted the Blades to retain possession, itself not a bad idea but only when you are winning.

pommpey

 

[itsinyerblood]

Yes, that life is too short to read all of one of your posts.

But surely the whole point of your post was that you were able to confirm that you'd read most of my posts, otherwise how would you be able to make your accusation? I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at your behaviour.

I'll take that as a withdrawal then. Better I suppose not to have to admit you were wrong than to find yourself deep in a hole of your own making.