Are we leaving it a bit late for signings?

[wizadry]

I think warnock would have spent that money more wisely instead of Robson going for the big names and hoping the rest would just come together. I thought stead would have got a load that year if more faith was shown in him after the way he ended the season before. We'll never know but we do know the Beattie deal did nothing for us.

Beattie wasn't a waste of money though first time round, that's the point in hand, he scored 20 odd goals in just over 40 appearances that first season down. Now, whether that money could have been spent elsewhere or not is another matter but Beattie did a great job for us in his first stint. What he did after that for us can only end up in one thread

 

[Blade82]

Beattie wasn't a waste of money though first time round, that's the point in hand, he scored 20 odd goals in just over 40 appearances that first season down. Now, whether that money could have been spent elsewhere or not is another matter but Beattie did a great job for us in his first stint. What he did after that for us can only end up in one thread

In retrospect he has to go down as a waste of money. 4m, huge wages no doubt, no promotion and leaves for far less the following season. As for the 2nd signing he potentially cost us promotion that year. Silly signing by Wilson.

 

[Bladesway]

I think warnock would have spent that money more wisely instead of Robson going for the big names and hoping the rest would just come together. I thought stead would have got a load that year if more faith was shown in him after the way he ended the season before. We'll never know but we do know the Beattie deal did nothing for us.

Warnock should have gone for Beattie in January rather than speculating on Seck, Fathi etc. Stead was good yes, but as good as Beattie, really? Beattie left us and his goals pretty much saved Stoke that season we missed out. We probably missed out because of him not being there in the first place.

 

[Bladesway]

In retrospect he has to go down as a waste of money. 4m, huge wages no doubt, no promotion and leaves for far less the following season. As for the 2nd signing he potentially cost us promotion that year. Silly signing by Wilson.

In the same way Wilson didn't sign Kitson, I'll be shocked if Beattie MKII was down to him and not someone else.

 

[Bladesway]

really ? we didnt go up

Done a failure based on that criteria?

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Again, why no money? What do you know? I reckon we've loads o'money.

We are run with strict governance not Harry Enfield . I just cannot see us spending big money , unless we can cut down the squad legacy numbers from the Clough era . Its not only transfer fees , its wages and contracts . Even loan players cost money . I hope i am wrong , but i don't think we are cash rich , as everyone makes out , and Adkins will know this , and see it as part of the SUFC challenge.

This does not mean we will not sign any players , but they have to be the right players , at the right price . Football economics for a established league 1 club unfortunately .

UTB

 

[Stretch]

I can't see Adkins making such a fundamental error as leaving it too late to sign players. Fairly confident that approaches have been /are being made for the areas he knew needed stengthening before he even arrived.

In the meantime he needs to assess what we already have in other areas and decide who is up to it. I wouldn't be surprised if one or two went out on loan before we sign anyone.

Have faith lads & lasses, we are in capable hands .

 

[Woodwardfan]

We are run with strict governance not Harry Enfield . I just cannot see us spending big money , unless we can cut down the squad legacy numbers from the Clough era . Its not only transfer fees , its wages and contracts . Even loan players cost money . I hope i am wrong , but i don't think we are cash rich , as everyone makes out , and Adkins will know this , and see it as part of the SUFC challenge.

This does not mean we will not sign any players , but they have to be the right players , at the right price . Football economics for a established league 1 club unfortunately .

UTB

That's old Blades mentality. This new owner intends to succeed and he has money. What have you seen or heard which makes you think otherwise? We have not failed since he took over in Sep 2013 through any lack of money.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

That's old Blades mentality. This new owner intends to succeed and he has money. What have you seen or heard which makes you think otherwise? We have not failed since he took over in Sep 2013 through any lack of money.

The old Blades mentality was to sell players who were not replaced with equal or better standing . Money will be spent but i don't think any blade is deluded enough to think we are cash rich ,or can buy our why out of this league .

Yes we could spend millions , but McCabe and the Prince do not have that kind of cash in there back pockets . The club runs on cross company loans from individuals , or from funders / institutions

In fact we have failed since the Prince took over ( for a £1 and McCabe writing off personal loans ) , we did not achieve promotion , and really bought cut price quantity not quality . ( Done and Brayford the exception )

This could be down to Clough , but IMO , Adkins has a hard job , to succeed , and please the fans and the board at the same time . As in business , some decisions will be made which us fans do not like , understand or appreciate .

YES SUFC could be the hardest job in football , but if successful the most rewarding , with fantastic fans and facilities . However rolling in money , spare cash , we are not . Players will arrive , and Adkins will show his football and financial acumen , in bringing in the right players , who he ( and club ) , will have had on the radar for some time , and no doubt the club are in behind the scene negotiations already , with certain players .

New era and exciting times at BDTBL , and lets not forget ( although rightly criticised for bizarre decisions ) , Clough has set a foundation , and not left us in the total shit .

In summary - No we are not cash rich , but are now run correctly and sensibly .

UTB

 

[blade too long]

Done a failure based on that criteria?

I dont recall us paying 4 million for Done

 

[blade too long]

llion

And all of em being signings for the pigs it seems

all theyve signed is one on loan and an undisclosed from portugal

the other midfielder they got from portugal in january they reported as undisclosed and claime it was over a million , for someone who had had 2 free transfers amongst portugals also rans .
N ow they are pretending its 3m euros yer a portuguese club offered 300 k uros for him for him 3 weeks ago

as usual wednesday fans fed a pile of bullshit and they swallow it whole

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Warnock should have gone for Beattie in January rather than speculating on Seck, Fathi etc. Stead was good yes, but as good as Beattie, really? Beattie left us and his goals pretty much saved Stoke that season we missed out. We probably missed out because of him not being there in the first place.

It's been suggested more than once that we simply weren't willing to spend the level of wages that January than we were 6 months later when Robson came in, even if we might have been willing to pay the fee required. That seems to match the facts at the time - we had a bid accepted for Stephen Warnock that January, but Blackburn were simply willing to pay him much more than we were willing to. I suspect he might have been enough to allow us to concede the one goal less we needed to stay up.

The other side of that of course is that Beattie was still in Everton's squad at the time - he only became surplus to requirements for certain in the summer.

 

[Woodwardfan]

It's been suggested more than once that we simply weren't willing to spend the level of wages that January than we were 6 months later when Robson came in, even if we might have been willing to pay the fee required. That seems to match the facts at the time - we had a bid accepted for Stephen Warnock that January, but Blackburn were simply willing to pay him much more than we were willing to. I suspect he might have been enough to allow us to concede the one goal less we needed to stay up.

The other side of that of course is that Beattie was still in Everton's squad at the time - he only became surplus to requirements for certain in the summer.

We bid £6m for Nugent that January but no Plan B when he refused to come.

 

[Woodwardfan]

The old Blades mentality was to sell players who were not replaced with equal or better standing . Money will be spent but i don't think any blade is deluded enough to think we are cash rich ,or can buy our why out of this league .

Yes we could spend millions , but McCabe and the Prince do not have that kind of cash in there back pockets . The club runs on cross company loans from individuals , or from funders / institutions

In fact we have failed since the Prince took over ( for a £1 and McCabe writing off personal loans ) , we did not achieve promotion , and really bought cut price quantity not quality . ( Done and Brayford the exception )

This could be down to Clough , but IMO , Adkins has a hard job , to succeed , and please the fans and the board at the same time . As in business , some decisions will be made which us fans do not like , understand or appreciate .

YES SUFC could be the hardest job in football , but if successful the most rewarding , with fantastic fans and facilities . However rolling in money , spare cash , we are not . Players will arrive , and Adkins will show his football and financial acumen , in bringing in the right players , who he ( and club ) , will have had on the radar for some time , and no doubt the club are in behind the scene negotiations already , with certain players .

New era and exciting times at BDTBL , and lets not forget ( although rightly criticised for bizarre decisions ) , Clough has set a foundation , and not left us in the total shit .

In summary - No we are not cash rich , but are now run correctly and sensibly .

UTB

Sorry My Lord, that is all a bit woolly and so far from the publicised information from the club through Phipps, the accounts and even the media. It's old Blade thinking.

Why do you say the prince has insufficient cash in his back pocket? He's provided all he's been asked for to achieve promotion. No, we didn't get promoted and that's why the previous manager is no longer here.

Agreed McCabe has stopped shelling out but that's yesterday's story and in many ways he's yesterday's man.

Wait and see.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

We bid £6m for Nugent that January but no Plan B when he refused to come.

Wasn't Plan B Steadinho? He signed a few days after we gave up on Nugent. And in fairness, was a very decent signing - one that I, and many on here, had thought was a bit of a joke at the time. He and Stead were a decent combo.

What both of those bids highlighted was a willingness from Warnock to get in players of better quality - one that gets forgotten when considering who he ended up having to settle on. On S.Warnock we could afford the fee, not the wages. On Nugent, I imagine we could afford the wages but we weren't willing to bid over £6m to get him.

 

[Bladesway]

I dont recall us paying 4 million for Done

That's the thing with you BTL, the goalposts are on wheels. Is the criteria what we paid (not the players fault) or the end result (in the case of Beattie and Done not the players fault). Or is there another hidden criteria?

I'd say Beattie was a success as a player and the manager failed. You score 20 goals in a season as a striker you have done your job.

 

[Leonardo Green]

Everyone needs to calm down about signings. Adkins knows what he's doing.

 

[Bladesway]

In retrospect he has to go down as a waste of money. 4m, huge wages no doubt, no promotion and leaves for far less the following season. As for the 2nd signing he potentially cost us promotion that year. Silly signing by Wilson.

The fee he left for wa's reportedly 500k less than he came for.

 

[Dkc]

Everyone needs to calm down about signings. Adkins knows what he's doing.

But we haven't signed anybody yet. What if we get to the opening day and all our rivals have signed loads of good players but we haven't??

 

[blade too long]

That's the thing with you BTL, the goalposts are on wheels. Is the criteria what we paid (not the players fault) or the end result (in the case of Beattie and Done not the players fault). Or is there another hidden criteria?

I'd say Beattie was a success as a player and the manager failed. You score 20 goals in a season as a striker you have done your job.

how have I moved the goal posts
Someone said wednesdays spent 4m on a player so I put we did on Beattie didnt help us then its dragged on to Done who cost an eigth of the price

Compare like with like
Done would be classed as a flop had we spent 4m on him , but we havent , no moving goal posts
just plain logic

 

[blade too long]

But we haven't signed anybody yet. What if we get to the opening day and all our rivals have signed loads of good players but we haven't??

then we rely on Adkins skill

 

[I should coco]

I agree you can't blame Beattie who delivered the goods (i,e, goals) but Bryan-'there's-only-one-United'-Robson mismanaged him and the other 10 culminating in a pathetic derby surrender at the pig.

We got back substantially what we paid and he was the right kind of risk we needed to take to try to get promoted back to the PL.

I also agree that Done has been a hit too but as previously pointed out, he didn't get us up either, so on that basis is no better buy than Beattie. Having said that I'm sure he will weigh in this coming season with a bagful of goals if we give him the service.

 

[DaniBBlade]

Wow, people calling Done a failure?? We bought him, he played up front, he scored goals. Doesnt anyone blame that idiot clough for then shifting Done to the wing to accommodate his pals in the team?? I.e Davies.

 

[Pierre's PC]

Doesnt anyone blame that idiot clough

You must be new here.

 

[I should coco]

Wow, people calling Done a failure?? We bought him, he played up front, he scored goals. Doesnt anyone blame that idiot clough for then shifting Done to the wing to accommodate his pals in the team?? I.e Davies.

From what I understand, he didn't have many 'pals' by the end and this was part of the problem.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Well, it's nearly a week since this thread started and still not a single signing.

Keep calm everybody. The manager is gaining the respect of the squad by working with them first before rushing into signings. Remember with a new signing often comes a 2/3 year contract which has to be honoured and mistakes are costly because failure here often means other clubs don't fancy the player either when we want him to move on.

More than anything the manager will be judging the balance of the squad as regards cover in areas of the field as well as the overall physical attributes or deficiencies. It's also about the here and now and then the picture in 3 months time when key players regain fitness.

He'll use the loan system for sure.

 

[DaniBBlade]

You must be new here.

Nowt flys past you does it?? Was just raising the point as i believe people on this thread stating done was a failure are very harsh. Ill go as far and even say if there was 1 player i would NOT want to sell, it would be him..

 

[Pierre's PC]

Nowt flys past you does it??

No need for the defensive stance, it was a playful prod and more of a general comment of the number of anti-Clough posts that are still appearing weeks after his departure.

if there was 1 player i would NOT want to sell, it would be him.

Totally agree and a point I argued myself last week

 

[Bladesway]

But we haven't signed anybody yet. What if we get to the opening day and all our rivals have signed loads of good players but we haven't??

Random stab in the dark but in that case the manager thinks what he has is good enough. Based on that I trust him over you, me and anyone else on here. I hate to put it to some people but none of us really know what goes on at the club in spite of us having chats with people on twatter and reading stuff on facebook. Once you realise you know nowt you set a more realistic expectation and hopefully don't hang on every word from every news outlet.

I preferred the days when you read a paper and we just signed people. The pressure to sign anyone, just someone is ridiculous.

 

[Guesty]

So much twaddle in here. Of course the James Beattie signing was a failure, irrespective of whether he played well or not. He was signed to help us get promotion and we failed. In fact, the fall out from his outlandish fee and subsequent departure was that we got relegated. We haven't managed to get promoted out of that league, either.

Beattie was a disastrous signing both times around.