Poll-Would you have sacked NC?

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Would you have sacked NC?

  • Yes

    Votes: 82 37.1%
  • No

    Votes: 139 62.9%

  • Total voters
    221
I don't think I would have. But the more I think about it, the more I think it's in the best interest of the club. Maybe I just thought our board wouldn't have the balls to do it.

But as we say with EVERY appointment these days. This is vital we get it right.
 



No for me..I wanted to give him another season,or at least Christmas...Shocked when I heard he'd gone,and having looked at the list of Manager's,I feel a bit flat...It's done now,time to look forward,I just hope we get the appointment right..UTB!
 
I would have sacked him (reluctantly, hate changing managers so often), due to a few reasons;
Last 10 games or so have been awful, no positive signs going into the playoff's
Lack of spine of squad - he may have been a reasonable CF, but he seems to have little knowledge of CH's and CM's and their balance
You always knew we were going to concede - I dreaded every corner we conceded, yet knew every one we won would lead to nothing (have we scored from a corner this season?)
He says going from 7th to 5th is progress (I understand it's spin), so 3rd next season is also progress - not good enough
Football has been sooooo boring
Spent a huge chunk of money on players that I think - meh, about
Honestly don't think he knew his best 11/14
Harked on about a small quality squad and yet signed a bucket load of similarly average players
Too many similar players, and when looking at the bench there were few game changers
Picked up so many injuries - don't know what the training regime was like
My Derby mate said all our complaints were the same as theirs
Embarrassed by Bristol City, who we finished above last year. If it was a couple of points off the top 2 fair enough, but we were so far behind it's ridiculous

I do think he's done well signing ; Done, Adams, errrmm?
 
'because we will never win the playoffs' .. we have to start winning bloody playoffs.. Preston made Swindon look like a pub outfit.. what were we doing? Clough had to go because of his management skills not because of playoff results. half the bloody team have fallen out with him . he plays a totally different lineup every game. we have no centre backs and STILL no proper recognised centre forward. you can't play one up at the lane. .the fans just won't have it .. it isn't in our dna.. pinchy can complain about it all he likes but playing this style is no good in the third division as the players don't get the protection from the refs..
you can criticise me as 'massive' as much as you want but with respect to the teams concerned we should not be shitting our pants about Fleetwood and Accrington Stanley.. and i know they agree .. a couple of my mates support them btw
The sad thing is that players like Collins will be back in the frame
 
Depends on what he said at the debrief.

Finishing 5th without any centre backs was an achievement. I think we'd've been "there or thereabouts" as the cliche goes come Christmas.

Official statement says we're going to *start* looking. If that's true then it's a real balls up.

Consensus is : Let's see who's next - and that seems about right.


I would say finishing 5th without any centre backs was a fk up

All fkin season to sort it.

Verdict: Failed miserably!

Agree with you regards the "start" bit tho. That is a worry :(
 
I would say finishing 5th without any centre backs was a fk up

All fkin season to sort it.

But this is hindsight. CBs were not an issue all season as, eg, we were extolling Bash and TK's virtues.

At worst it became an issue around JTW - or maybe soon after. There's a good exchange on this by two posters here which, for me, is the definitive account. A late season loan was the answer. No idea how to find it though.

The point about finishing fifth without centre backs is taking the view that this wasn't necessarily Clough's fault <ducks for cover> and he managed (damaged) resources well enough to get us to fifth. With a proper set up we'd've been challenging the autos and we could've set about that this close season.

Are we really better off today than we were yesterday? I don't think we are. (Maybe we should have a poll :eek:)

The fans had come round to it ~65/35 which makes the decision even stranger. That wasn't carte blanche and I think the give him till Christmas pov was prevailing.

Now it's Snakes and Ladders and back to square 1.
 
It would appear that the Clough myth - the one that got him the job in the first place - lives on. 'Give him time', 'style more suited to a higher level', 'unlucky with injuries' blah, blah. Cup runs are fine but when the fixtures are published in a few weeks time, we'll still be stuck in Division 3. 'Progress' is not a mere 4 points better than the previous season - one where the first ten games (under Weir) yielded just five points.

Despite this, towards the latter end of his tenure XXXXXXXX was criticised by some supporters for using negative tactics and earning XXXXXXX the tag of a "dull" side.
That's on Wikipedia about Steve McClaren at Middlesborough. At Derby his win percentage was 54.26% - higher that Cloughs at United - but the crowd had enough and saw other teams sailing past them. That's progress.
 
I wanted him sacked as far back as October, I was of course ridiculed for the suggestion amongst my blade mates but the writing was on the wall back then. Playing Barnsley at home without a striker was a joke from then on we were just playing out time - Most of us knew in our heart of hearts that that we weren't good enough to trouble the automatic positions.

The main people who i knew had for not sacking Cough was the old "stability" argument !

I don't want stability in the 3rd tier ! Its not good enough !! - The only time you want stability is in the Prem - no more 3 year plans FFS !!

Can I (albeit tongue in cheek), suggest a contract for whoever they appoint - Be Radical

You get till x mas - If were not in the top 4 you're out ! If you are,you get till the end of the season - If you fail to get promotion your'e on your way .

Otherwise we have this woolly word "progress" - which can mean anything you want it to - its ambiguous and used by people who don't reach their goals

Make it clear from the outset - Failure is not an option - Anything other than promotion is failure

At least only those with self belief and a desire to succeed would apply -I don't care if they've managed non league before so long as they can get a tune out of 11 blokes once or twice a week !
The alternative is we get some out of work failure with another 3 year plan sat comfortably on a 3 year contract telling us we've made f*ckin progress !
 
But this is hindsight. CBs were not an issue all season as, eg, we were extolling Bash and TK's virtues.

At worst it became an issue around JTW - or maybe soon after. There's a good exchange on this by two posters here which, for me, is the definitive account. A late season loan was the answer. No idea how to find it though.

The point about finishing fifth without centre backs is taking the view that this wasn't necessarily Clough's fault <ducks for cover> and he managed (damaged) resources well enough to get us to fifth. With a proper set up we'd've been challenging the autos and we could've set about that this close season.

Are we really better off today than we were yesterday? I don't think we are. (Maybe we should have a poll :eek:)

The fans had come round to it ~65/35 which makes the decision even stranger. That wasn't carte blanche and I think the give him till Christmas pov was prevailing.

Now it's Snakes and Ladders and back to square 1.

I agree and as I said elsewhere, sacking Clough could be the most stupid mistake this club has ever made.

I hope not of course but I don't have any confidence in the Board making the right decision or getting the right man.

Sometimes better the Devil you know and you can teach old dogs new tricks. Sadly, we'll never know if he would have learned but I think he was on a learning curve (he'd never managed in Lge 1 before had he?) and no doubt some other club's gain will be our loss.
 
The sad thing is that players like Collins will be back in the frame

You mean everyone starts with a clean sheet.
No one frozen out due to the managers petty whims.

This can only be a good thing.
 
The sad thing is that players like Collins will be back in the frame
Agree there. I do get the feeling that the Collins saga will have been mentioned when Clough met with the board.

In my opinion Clough was right to try and get rid of Collins BUT the way he treated him in doing so was completely out of order. Like him or loath him Collins has had a few good years for us and probably played his best football in a Blades shirt.

Regarding the title of the thread I have voted no as I would have still given him one more season but on the whole I don't think its a disastrous decision. Clough had a massive opportunity at the start of last season to strengthen his squad with a healthy league one budget. We spent all summer trying to get Brayford rather than looking for alternative options. He then panic signed Hidgon who hadn't trained all preseason.

If you look at what Bristol City achieved this season there is no reason why we couldn't have done the same with our budget. Bristol went out and signed the best free agents in the league Korey Smith, Ayling etc...we signed SOME VERY average free agents (excluding Basham) in McEverley, Alcock and JCR.

The next appointment is massive (as always) and we really need to get it right. All the names we have been linked with so far worry me.

Adkins I doubt he would be an instant success he likes to build teams and for this to happen he needs to be given time which we can't give him, Robinson again its took him a few years to achieve promotion with MK Dons. The only name I would currently be happy with is Warburton but I just can't see him coming to us. I watched Brentford a few times last season and they were so exciting to watch.
 
I wanted him sacked as far back as October, I was of course ridiculed for the suggestion amongst my blade mates but the writing was on the wall back then. Playing Barnsley at home without a striker was a joke from then on we were just playing out time - Most of us knew in our heart of hearts that that we weren't good enough to trouble the automatic positions.

Correct, the way we set about the Barnsley game was indicative of what followed. Not pretty to watch and not what I want to see from a United team.

The main people who i knew had for not sacking Cough was the old "stability" argument !

Stability, that old chestnut that's misunderstood over and over again. It's meant to imply that we allow a manager the opportunity to impose his mark throughout the club, with, of course, the first team being the icing on this particular case. It's a necessity if we are to give someone the chance to build something of substance and worthy of what we, as United supporters, expect. Otherwise the manager will be driven by those who, in their desire to see positive change, crack the whip without rest and then wonder why the results they seek are at best half-baked, and at worst dire.

I don't want stability in the 3rd tier ! Its not good enough !! - The only time you want stability is in the Prem - no more 3 year plans FFS !!

Stability - see above. Yes, of course if we can achieve success sooner rather than later then we're ahead of the game, but to be driven by emotional drivers without a chance to reflect and check that all's well amongst players and staff, well that's a recipe I'd expect at primary school level.

Can I (albeit tongue in cheek), suggest a contract for whoever they appoint - Be Radical

More info please, this one's clouded in something less than clarity.

You get till x mas - If were not in the top 4 you're out ! If you are,you get till the end of the season - If you fail to get promotion your'e on your way .

Get until xmas uh? Sure know how to attract a manager who we keep expecting will see the wonder of SUFC, don't we? A complete nonsense of a proposition.
One thing that cannot be included in any contract are those variables that will impact on the best laid plans. By your reckoning, the rather over-done story of A.Ferguson of Man Utd needing six seasons to bring success would never have materialised. Now I'm not suggesting anywhere close to that level of patience, what I am describing is the novel idea that managing a football club is unlike most other businesses, and therefore requires an approach you won't find elsewhere.....but hey, if you feel that 6 months is a healthy timescale guaranteed not to drive a manager around the bend let's go for it, at the very least it would be the footballing equivalent of watching a plane crash.


Otherwise we have this woolly word "progress" - which can mean anything you want it to - its ambiguous and used by people who don't reach their goals

Agree, progress should have a rough definition. For SUFC progress should mean getting out of Division 1 as soon as possible. It might take a new manager a couple of seasons to achieve that, but if we find the new messiah and do it in one, bingo!

Make it clear from the outset - Failure is not an option - Anything other than promotion is failure

Mmmmm, I can't imagine anyone wants failure, but does that mean that we're so inflexible that should a manager just miss out on a prize, we sack them? It all depends on circumstance of course, but there are fine margins in decision making, often it comes down to how an interviewer 'feels' about an interviewee, something as unscientific as that (and I'm not suggesting that science has any part to play in this) can be the primary reason why an applicant is chosen. But back to goals that would be difficult to live up to. Of course we make it clear that promotion is the number one aim, without promotion the manager has failed. If a new man can achieve that in the life of his contract we've succeeded.

At least only those with self belief and a desire to succeed would apply -I don't care if they've managed non league before so long as they can get a tune out of 11 blokes once or twice a week !
The alternative is we get some out of work failure with another 3 year plan sat comfortably on a 3 year contract telling us we've made f*ckin progress !

I doubt we're much of a catch for anyone savvy enough to want to manage an ambitious club. The ratio of sackings will act as an alarm bell that screams 'beware, beware'.

I expect self-belief from a manager, but the desire you describe might also be a thinly veiled does of desperation from someone who simply isn't good enough. Like yourself, I don't care what piece of magic the new man performs to get the squad playing in a way that achieves results and thus success, but to make this happen you can't offer a few months of employment, it simply won't work. The manager will know the club's aims and goals, so with that in mind it's best to let them get on with the job, provide the necessary resources to achieve this job, and finally, we all get behind the manager until it's clear they can't deliver.
 
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Personally no I wouldn't on the basis that progress isn't always a straight line. There are plenty of examples where a manager has a poor season and then follows it with a good one.
But I can understand why he was, and why a lot of people wanted him to be.
 
I wanted him sacked as far back as October, I was of course ridiculed for the suggestion amongst my blade mates but the writing was on the wall back then. Playing Barnsley at home without a striker was a joke from then on we were just playing out time - Most of us knew in our heart of hearts that that we weren't good enough to trouble the automatic positions.

The main people who i knew had for not sacking Cough was the old "stability" argument !

I don't want stability in the 3rd tier ! Its not good enough !! - The only time you want stability is in the Prem - no more 3 year plans FFS !!

Can I (albeit tongue in cheek), suggest a contract for whoever they appoint - Be Radical

You get till x mas - If were not in the top 4 you're out ! If you are,you get till the end of the season - If you fail to get promotion your'e on your way .

Otherwise we have this woolly word "progress" - which can mean anything you want it to - its ambiguous and used by people who don't reach their goals

Make it clear from the outset - Failure is not an option - Anything other than promotion is failure

At least only those with self belief and a desire to succeed would apply -I don't care if they've managed non league before so long as they can get a tune out of 11 blokes once or twice a week !
The alternative is we get some out of work failure with another 3 year plan sat comfortably on a 3 year contract telling us we've made f*ckin progress !
I appreciate your comments were tongue in cheek but if I was a decent manager and I was told at an interview that if I didn't achieve promotion in my first year I'd be sacked, I'd just walk out and wait for an offer from another club.
 
I appreciate your comments were tongue in cheek but if I was a decent manager and I was told at an interview that if I didn't achieve promotion in my first year I'd be sacked, I'd just walk out and wait for an offer from another club.
you probably weren't a decent manager in the first place then.. this promotion in one year stuff is a total straw man argument.
 



you probably weren't a decent manager in the first place then.. this promotion in one year stuff is a total straw man argument.
Well I shouldn't have been in the interview then.

I was responding to a specific point made by the poster I replied to.
 
I appreciate your comments were tongue in cheek but if I was a decent manager and I was told at an interview that if I didn't achieve promotion in my first year I'd be sacked, I'd just walk out and wait for an offer from another club.

It's tongue in cheek to a degree but somebody half decent should back themselves in this division with our squad and resources. It would be refreshing for a manager to accept a job on those terms.

Dirty Leeds went through lots of turmoil, went bust , had different owners and managers and still got back to the championship quicker than us .
 
I agree and as I said elsewhere, sacking Clough could be the most stupid mistake this club has ever made.

I hope not of course but I don't have any confidence in the Board making the right decision or getting the right man.

Sometimes better the Devil you know and you can teach old dogs new tricks. Sadly, we'll never know if he would have learned but I think he was on a learning curve (he'd never managed in Lge 1 before had he?) and no doubt some other club's gain will be our loss.


'Sometimes better the Devil you know and you can teach old dogs new tricks'

That's my stance on it but the sacking came somewhat out of the blue, I'm now leaning towards Clough been told to change things and he sticking to what his old man brought him up believing.

You go against the paymaster and you see the door.
 

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