Baxter - Tests positive for banned substance

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Nah, it would have been flat tyres if Baxter was on a bike.

Flat tyre wouldn't have bothered Jose, always carried a couple of spare tyres around with him.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

My money's on Foxy or Linz spiking his drink. They need something for us to post about in the close season else the sponsors won't be happy.

 

[moDtheGod]

Baxter = Athlete

Haha, good one.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

But you wouldnt put it past someone spiking a footballers drink out of jealousy or spite.

Or to help hasten their departure from the club.

Hope you've got a good alibi ;-)

 

[Bladesway]

All members are now required to submit to a Sense Of Humour Bypass Operation upon joining.
This simple procedure (as illustrated here) is quick and painless to perform:

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People generally laugh when something is funny, unless they are sheep in which case they just laugh when on of their own tells them to. Perhaps that is why you think people like Harrys Game are funny.

 

[NE Blade]

From the BBC website, Gordon Taylor commenting on Livermore, Baxter and McCarey:

'The Professional Footballers' Association chief executive said all three suspensions followed positive tests for social and recreational drugs such as cocaine and ecstasy, as opposed to performance-enhancing drugs.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32771526

Most young lads would give their left nut for a crack at professional football, yet some players seem determined to toss away every opportunity given to them. What a waste.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Surely the timing of the FA announcements was down to the timing of the tests, so judging by the fact Baxter seems to have failed before the first leg they could have announced it at much worse a time for us. I don't think the FA have anything to do with the testing do they? Isn't it carried out by an independent body?
I did think they had a policy of not announcing names when players failed 'recreational' drug tests, and it seems it was us who announced it after all the speculation , not sure why they named Livermore.

I'll be interested to learn the date of the test and the findings. I don't trust these people any more. But that's just me.

The timing was cruel.

 

[SwissBlade]

Baxter is a complate tosser. Like I said about Livermore, you know what the consequences are and for the sake of your career, you stay away from doing a cheeky line or dropping a pill.

When you see players like Doyle giving their all for the club and working his arse off to try and keep their place in amongst the more naturally talented players like Baxter.

I'm sure Clough will just sack him

 

[Woodwardfan]

From the BBC website, Gordon Taylor commenting on Livermore, Baxter and McCarey:

'The Professional Footballers' Association chief executive said all three suspensions followed positive tests for social and recreational drugs such as cocaine and ecstasy, as opposed to performance-enhancing drugs.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32771526

Most young lads would give their left nut for a crack at professional football, yet some players seem determined to toss away every opportunity given to them. What a waste.

And forever will it be the case. These are very young men.

OK you know some of the lads are more likely than others, but guess what the lads go out in groups, they are subject to all sorts of temptations which their glamorous job and their money offers to them. The lads in the groups who go out together are all subject to the same temptations. I'm sure some are weak and some may be strong, but I'm also certain that Baxter will not be the only one at Bramall Lane.

Life is like this, life with money and glamour at 23 years old is even more like this. He's just a lad but the fact many fans dislike him as a player affects their reaction. Those who do like him as a player find it hard to defend him. But there are loads of players at it. I thank goodness it appears to be recreational drugs, the lesser serious matter.

All in all I think Baxter needs to be in a more friendly environment than our fans provide overall.

 

[true99blade]

Is it not possible that perhaps young José would have a more serious mindset had our fans not mercilessly slagged him off throughout the season despite a good record in terms of contribution to the team?
Please bare in mind that I'm not condoning anything Baxter may have done if he is found guilty. And I'm not pinning blame solely on fans, as many will probably suggest I am doing. Just a possibility.

 

[Jehovah]

If he is taking recreational drugs in a job that randomnly drugs test you nd can destroy your acr

Is it not possible that perhaps young José would have a more serious mindset had our fans not mercilessly slagged him off throughout the season despite a good record in terms of contribution to the team?
Please bare in mind that I'm not condoning anything Baxter may have done if he is found guilty. And I'm not pinning blame solely on fans, as many will probably suggest I am doing. Just a possibility.

Fuck me

 

[true99blade]

Fuck me

Not a possibility then...

 

[madeinsheffield]

Fookin disgrace if it's true, I'm not playing the holier than thou card, but as a footballer they know what they can and can't consume, he's a lucky lucky lad being the position he is and willing to risk throwing it all away for a pill, nobhead!

It won't be the first time, he's obviously been risking it and hoping to not get tested and now risking not getting paid for 6-9 months then looking for a new club.

 

[bornablade]

My money's on Foxy or Linz spiking his drink. They need something for us to post about in the close season else the sponsors won't be happy.

No it's not Foxy and Linz. It needs to be someone inside the club. Someone who maybe is getting a load of stick from the fans on the forums and on RS. Someone who wants to deflect the negative attention and take the heat off them.

Anyway that's my theory but I just can't think of a name.

 

[mattbianco1]

If he wants to do it fine. Let him do it.

Just don't do it between July and May. Go on a big bender in June then get your arse back into gear for preseason training.

Can't understand the mindset of some of these players

 

[UnitedBlade]

Does anyone know what the position is wrt strict liability ie even if it's contaminated food then the individual is still liable.

That's generally the case in sport but as drugs and football(for some reason...) don't get that much coverage I don't think I've ever seen it mentioned specifically.

You can't play professional football in this country unless you abide by the FA's comprehensive guidelines on anti-doping. It is in every player's contract.

In the situation you mention, the player would have to explain how the contaminated food / drink entered their body ie provide some proof which the authorities can either accept or not. If it goes against a player, they have 21 days in which to make an appeal.

That's my understanding anyway.

 

[Wapping Blade]

If he wants to do it fine. Let him do it.

Just don't do it between July and May. Go on a big bender in June then get your arse back into gear for preseason training.

Can't understand the mindset of some of these players

Hear from an ex-pro (finished about 10 years ago) today that that's exactly what they used to do as soon as the season finished. He was concerned that out of season testing could catch them out if players did it today.

 

[Tekkerslovakia]

Uppers lose you weight if anything. His weight is more likely attributed to drinking - which, if persistent, is definitely something that should be looked at.

Young men do silly things, and it's a case-by-case thing as to how you deal with them. Innocent until proven guilty - if he is guilty, he deserves rehabilitation of some sorts. We promised a convicted rapist as much.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

You can't play professional football in this country unless you abide by the FA's comprehensive guidelines on anti-doping. It is in every player's contract.

This makes sense and is common in other sports but I haven't seen an authoritative source on strict liability in football. Google here we come.

 

[Bladesway]

If he wants to do it fine. Let him do it.

Just don't do it between July and May. Go on a big bender in June then get your arse back into gear for preseason training.

Can't understand the mindset of some of these players

Its an all year round pursuit keeping a figure that fine, you can't go at it half arsed.

 

[UnitedBlade]

This makes sense and is common in other sports but I haven't seen an authoritative source on strict liability in football. Google here we come.

There's a 66 page document published by the FA on anti-doping. Try googling FA anti doping 2015. It's a PDF.

I got the contract stuff from a EUFA document on what must be in footballer's contracts.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

It looks like it is strict liability

From a BBC blog about Kolo Toure

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/gordonfarquhar/2011/03/kolo_toure_what_happens_next.html


Q: Is there ever an excuse for failing a drugs test?

The principle of strict liability underpins the whole of doping policy. What it means in practical terms is that you, the athlete, are responsible for what's in your body regardless of how it got there.

There are mitigating circumstances, but the burden of proof rests on the athlete. In other words, Toure will have to satisfactorily explain how a prohibited substance was found in his sample. Some examples could be proof that drink or food was maliciously spiked by a fellow competitor, or proof the substance was forcibly injected by a third party.

The reason that strict liability is used is to prevent reliance on the obvious excuse of "I didn't know it was in the tablet I took," or "I didn't know what I was taking".

It's a similar to the caveat "ignorance of the law is no defence." It's a tough stance, but it has to be to protect the clean athletes.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

It looks like it is strict liability

From a BBC blog about Kolo Toure

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/gordonfarquhar/2011/03/kolo_toure_what_happens_next.html


Q: Is there ever an excuse for failing a drugs test?

The principle of strict liability underpins the whole of doping policy. What it means in practical terms is that you, the athlete, are responsible for what's in your body regardless of how it got there.

There are mitigating circumstances, but the burden of proof rests on the athlete. In other words, Toure will have to satisfactorily explain how a prohibited substance was found in his sample. Some examples could be proof that drink or food was maliciously spiked by a fellow competitor, or proof the substance was forcibly injected by a third party.

The reason that strict liability is used is to prevent reliance on the obvious excuse of "I didn't know it was in the tablet I took," or "I didn't know what I was taking".

It's a similar to the caveat "ignorance of the law is no defence." It's a tough stance, but it has to be to protect the clean athletes.

There's no bleeding excuse anyway. In the pampered world of professional football, all a player has to do is report to the ground as normal and tell the physio/club doctor 'I've got a runny nose/ swollen toe/toothache/ can't breathe/a dribbly cock' and they sort everything for them. I remember Neil Ruddock saying just after he retired he got toothache and didn't know what to do about it as the club did everything for him.

 

[maidmarion]

The last time I checked Jose Baxter was contracted as a professional footballer to sheffield United.
His job then is to play football for Sheffield United from July(preseason) until May(end of season) unless injured.
If taking drugs during this time would result in a ban then why even take the risk.
If, he has, then he has let himself down, his team mates and us the supporters who pay to watch these so called professional players.
I'm sorry but I get really fed up with you youngsters saying " oh well it's only recreational use" A professional , highly paid, footballer, should never take anything that could effect the way he plays.

 

[Blade56]

What does out of competition mean? We were still in the play offs, is that not a competition between 4 clubs?

If true he's picking money out of fans pockets to stick up his nose, sack the cheat. And for those advocating a liberal approach look where that got the club with Ched and Paddy

 

[Rudders]

I'm pretty sure the B sample is back - according to the regulations it has to be analysed within 5 calendar days.

Didn't appear in playoff 1st leg (I suspect FA had contacted the club and it's an immediate temporary suspension but no publicity)
United issue statement yesterday (B sample back and FA have informed player and club and said they are issuing a press release hence United's statement)

It's up to Baxter to explain this no wrongdoing.

I agree I'm fed up with individual players letting down the club with clear disciplinary transgressions. The FA couldn't make this much clearer, the problem is some won't listen and think they can get away with it.

Pretty fed up with the news and the timing. If it is as you guess then it's hardly ideal preparation for a play off semi is it? Dragging the club through the mud. Must have gone down well with his team mates. Totally unprofessional and makes us look like a right Tom Noddy outfit...

 

[RealMcCoy]

The last time I checked Jose Baxter was contracted as a professional footballer to sheffield United.
His job then is to play football for Sheffield United from July(preseason) until May(end of season) unless injured.
If taking drugs during this time would result in a ban then why even take the risk.
If, he has, then he has let himself down, his team mates and us the supporters who pay to watch these so called professional players.
I'm sorry but I get really fed up with you youngsters saying " oh well it's only recreational use" A professional , highly paid, footballer, should never take anything that could effect the way he plays.

So, a pint or three also out of the question?

 

[super_pig]

he gets paid loads of money not to stick shit up his nose
if you dont like it jose go to uni for 7 years and become a software architect .. on much less

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

What does out of competition mean?

You can be tested straight after games (I imagine), or, say, midweek when there's no game. I think the second might be considered out of competition even though you're due to play on the Saturday.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I remember Neil Ruddock saying just after he retired he got toothache and didn't know what to do about it as the club did everything for him.

We might have seen the same programme. I think I remember him talking about his car breaking down and he had no idea what to do because, like you said, the club/s had done everything for him. Ordinarily (if that's the right word) he'd've just phone the club, but as he no longer had a club to phone he didn't know what to do. Can't remember how it resolved itself.

The level of dependency was, er, eye-popping.