Jose Baxter

[Dnblade]

See I think that is a myth ,just watch him closely ,he doesn't look forward ,9 out of 10 passes are sideways and that's not just to lack of options. When I say hes lazy I mean mentally not physically ,I don't think he would get near the team if he was physically unfit or overweight ,that is just a convenient excuse (but not a very favourable one). We have players to do the other jobs better than him ,winger and tackler , and he just hasn't stepped up to be a creative playmaker ,which is what we lack most of all and he gives the ball away far to frequently.. He doesn't even supply the wingers as much as the other midfielders and I agree with Ken ,he does hide. Nothing against him personally ,I actually like that type of laid back character ,I dislike him purely as a footballer and think he is the main reason we have been poor.

Fair enough,but he's not the only one losing the ball..Murphy for instance frustrates me for losing the ball when in good positions...Doyle loses the ball frequently,and moves it slow..Most of the others are guilty of going sideways..he's got the task of trying to make something happen,and sometimes he's not got any option but to go sideways...usually it's to someone in space or passed off one touch to keep us moving.I agree he needs to do more,and I'd probably have him on the bench for Swindon...If we need more creativity though,some one to pass the ball who else is there in the final third.

 

[Lane Ender]

Please tell me why Baxter is "our main supplier".

If Baxter is not in the side as a supplier/playmaker what is he in the side for?
One of our most disappointing signings after coming with a good reputation.
Type of player i thought initially would be a main player in the promotion drive.
Hasent worked out , shame for us all.

 

[Woodwardfan]

If Baxter is not in the side as a supplier/playmaker what is he in the side for?
One of our most disappointing signings after coming with a good reputation.
Type of player i thought initially would be a main player in the promotion drive.
Hasent worked out , shame for us all.

I'd love Sitwell to answer the question first and Fulwood perhaps.

 

[sitwell]

Please tell me why Baxter is "our main supplier".

What else is he there for ?

 

[flash-blade]

Baxter does my head in, get rid.
Half hearted, cant tackle, wont tackle, nesh, poor in the air, can't run. Unfit, busy doing nothing, poses, does a hop skip and a jump type of closing down movement, never tracks back, never picks a player up, he's also a billy-big-bollox. Some call him a luxury player, liability more like. The whole dynamics of the team change when he's in the side. I admit he's got some natural ability but its what you do with it, hence Everton to league 1 in three seasons

 

[Lane Ender]

I'd love Sitwell to answer the question first and Fulwood perhaps.

I,ll wait for them next time sorry

 

[wizadry]

I find it laughable at times with this constant slagging off, of a player who has not been getting much game time in the last couple of months.

I must be watching a different Sheff Utd side to some on here, we have no movement whatsoever going forward unless Done plays, Murphy seems very tired 'atm' and all the others barring Holt don't like to go past the halfway line just incase they get a nose bleed. If Baxter was to play more with Done and Holt, he would then get used to some players making runs and propably slip them in behind, he's proved in the past he can play a through ball but who has he actually had a chance to play one through to?

We have no continuity, players develop partnerships all over the pitch and we haven't had many of them all season, Baxter is not going to play a ball forward if no one is going to run onto it, i thought that would be pretty obvious 'tbh'.

 

[TheBeard]

Baxter seems to be the scapegoat for everything for some of the fans, who thought he was the worst player on the pitch on Saturday? Other players are playing poorly but some fans just love point the finger at Baxter. Twice on Saturday Freeman came running out of defence with the ball and instead of passing ran straight into trouble and being tackled and gave the ball away, both times we were lucky to get away with it. Scougal did a lot of running about and chasing down but as usual with Scougs nothing ever comes from it as he usually runs into trouble before he makes a pass or can get a shot away. Some one has criticised that he stayed back to cover for Brayford as he went on a run forward, that is basic tactics you teach schoolboys to do, but instead it is used to have a go at him that he only did it because he was either lazy or knackered. Every player makes wayward passes during a game, sometimes it's the players fault, other times it's the fault of the player who passes a ball to a player who is already under pressure from the opposition, which is quite often watching United, I think Baxter has underachieved this year but again I don't think he has been anywhere near our worst player, but again IMO I don't think Murphy, Scougal, Brayford and several other players have played upto their full potential this season but don't seem to get the criticism Baxter gets

 

[Lane Ender]

I find it laughable at times with this constant slagging off, of a player who has not been getting much game time in the last couple of months.

I must be watching a different Sheff Utd side to some on here, we have no movement whatsoever going forward unless Done plays, Murphy seems very tired 'atm' and all the others barring Holt don't like to go past the halfway line just incase they get a nose bleed. If Baxter was to play more with Done and Holt, he would then get used to some players making runs and propably slip them in behind, he's proved in the past he can play a through ball but who has he actually had a chance to play one through to?

We have no continuity, players develop partnerships all over the pitch and we haven't had many of them all season, Baxter is not going to play a ball forward if no one is going to run onto it, i thought that would be pretty obvious 'tbh'.

It hasent helped things with Clough constantly changing the line up throughout the season

 

[Woodwardfan]

What else is he there for ?

He is the leading goalscorer. He is 23 years old . There is a squad of 30 plus, including players who cost real money and on much higher wages.

just because the lad has ability you judge him differently and your expectaions are higher. the lad

What else is he there for ?

This has been a constant frustration to me for months. Just because the lad can play he gets the blame.

What about Holt, Coutts, B.Davies, Ryce, Scougall, Flynn, Murphy, Read, Doyle, Basham, Freeman, Brayford(£2m), Alcock, Harris,Coutts, Coutts and Coutts etc. Loads of creativity there then?

What about the fact we play one sole raider up front, running around like a maniac and never getting a ball?

All baxter's fault, of course it is "Sitters".

Top scorer, only three assists, bad season I agree.

 

[Grappler]

Holt doesn't do a great deal (for me) but he does score goals (or has done), right place, right time. Baxter is probably the most naturally gifted player we have, although I do think his concentration seems to lapse at times. However, as I have said before, if he makes the killer pass that leads to us scoring, that's all he needs to do. And to be honest, who else would you trust to be our penalty taker!

 

[Cyprus Blade]

What else is he there for ?

So by implication you do think we need a creative midfielder since this is the main reason we have been poor and, as you see him as the "main provider", you clearly acknowledge the creative deficiencies of his colleagues in midfield, something borne out by the assists/goals tally for the season (Holt scores I would agree).

Unless you are going to try and argue that the others are there purely to sit in midfield, defend and square pass to Murphy (the fact that we are having to pack out the midfield defensively to protect a dodgy defence, reducing us to one forward with any movement - and he is currently injured and was carrying an injury when we we got him in the January window - is a factor) it suggests you have even less faith or expectation in the offensive and creative capabilities of mssrs Doyle, Coutts, Scougall, Basham, Holt, Freeman, K Wallace, Reed and Ben Davies than Baxter. Passing the ball out to Murphy has been sussed - that is why he is double-marked virtually every game and is becoming less and less effective. If Baxter is so poor and keeps getting picked that is something Cloughie is accountable for isn't it?

 

[wizadry]

It hasent helped things with Clough constantly changing the line up throughout the season

No LE, i agree and i'm not saying Baxter has played well this season but he has been no where near our worst player as someone else has already pointed out, he does seem to get the blame a lot even though he's not hardly played in the last month or two. We'll be blaming Diego, Collins or JCR next.

 

[alcoblade]

Baxter seems to be the scapegoat for everything for some of the fans, who thought he was the worst player on the pitch on Saturday? Other players are playing poorly but some fans just love point the finger at Baxter. Twice on Saturday Freeman came running out of defence with the ball and instead of passing ran straight into trouble and being tackled and gave the ball away, both times we were lucky to get away with it. Scougal did a lot of running about and chasing down but as usual with Scougs nothing ever comes from it as he usually runs into trouble before he makes a pass or can get a shot away. Some one has criticised that he stayed back to cover for Brayford as he went on a run forward, that is basic tactics you teach schoolboys to do, but instead it is used to have a go at him that he only did it because he was either lazy or knackered. Every player makes wayward passes during a game, sometimes it's the players fault, other times it's the fault of the player who passes a ball to a player who is already under pressure from the opposition, which is quite often watching United, I think Baxter has underachieved this year but again I don't think he has been anywhere near our worst player, but again IMO I don't think Murphy, Scougal, Brayford and several other players have played upto their full potential this season but don't seem to get the criticism Baxter gets

He shouldn't be a scapegoat. He's one of a long list of players we have who are just not quite good enough for a team wanting automatic promotion from the third division. And I don't think I can name one player, this season, who has been.

I'm not sure how much that's down to the players or management / tactics. Clearly a huge chunk of blame lies with the manager as he brought in most of the players either way.

UTB

 

[sitwell]

No LE, i agree and i'm not saying Baxter has played well this season but he has been no where near our worst player as someone else has already pointed out, he does seem to get the blame a lot even though he's not hardly played in the last month or two. We'll be blaming Diego, Collins or JCR next.

Where do you get that from ,hes been a virtual ever present ?You probably just haven't noticed him And I agree Cyprus Blade , Clough is accountable for selecting him.

 

[Lane Ender]

No LE, i agree and i'm not saying Baxter has played well this season but he has been no where near our worst player as someone else has already pointed out, he does seem to get the blame a lot even though he's not hardly played in the last month or two. We'll be blaming Diego, Collins or JCR next.

We,re at cross purposes here Wiz.
I'm not saying he's our worst player no way.
What I am saying is he is capable of much better.
Is that down to Clough? That's another debate

 

[Kenilworth]

Please tell me why Baxter is "our main supplier".

Cos he grows the best weed

 

[Woodwardfan]

Where do you get that from ,hes been a virtual ever present ?You probably just haven't noticed him And I agree Cyprus Blade , Clough is accountable for selecting him.

Hey "Sitters", just answer my question. Why is he "the most to blame." You are not obsessed are you?

Let me expand. Clough has all the money going in this league, he can afford to spend £2m on a full back from a club who said "we cant afford to say no anymore, its that sort of money". We spent £700k on a converted winger to striker and the sellng club said " it got to a point we couldnt say no anymore".

The manger has spent money on 23 recruits and yet YOU BLAME one of the cheaper signings from the time we had no money. Weir bought Baxter when he had no money to spend.

What the fuck? Please answer in a rational way.

 

[wizadry]

Where do you get that from ,hes been a virtual ever present ?You probably just haven't noticed him And I agree Cyprus Blade , Clough is accountable for selecting him.

In the last month or two i said and in that time we played 7 games and Baxter has played 4, come off as sub in 2 of them and not played in 3 of them, him being an unused sub in all 3. In this time he's played with Done for about 60 minutes, i'd like to see him develop an understanding with Done that could see us score a lot of goals and also leave space in other areas of the pitch for us to exploit. Baxter still has a future here for me, we have to play him right and Clough hasn't helped his cause with his continuous tinkering this season.

 

[Woodwardfan]

In the last month or two i said and in that time we played 7 games and Baxter has played 4, come off as sub in 2 of them and not played in 3 of them, him being an unused sub in all 3. In this time he's played with Done for about 60 minutes, i'd like to see him develop an understanding with Done that could see us score a lot of goals and also leave space in other areas of the pitch for us to exploit. Baxter still has a future here for me, we have to play him right and Clough hasn't helped his cause with his continuous tinkering this season.

So why is he to blame sitters? You persistently defend the manager and blame one player. What about it?

 

[wizadry]

We,re at cross purposes here Wiz.
I'm not saying he's our worst player no way.
What I am saying is he is capable of much better.
Is that down to Clough? That's another debate

Sorry mate, i wasn't inferring you said that, i meant it as a general quote for the ones that do think it.

 

[Lane Ender]

Sorry mate, i wasn't inferring you said that, i meant it as a general quote for the ones that do think it.

And the stage is set in these play offs for somebody to go down in Blades folklore
To score the winner in a Wembley final.
It could be Baxter

 

[Woodwardfan]

Where do you get that from ,hes been a virtual ever present ?You probably just haven't noticed him And I agree Cyprus Blade , Clough is accountable for selecting him.

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In the last month or two i said and in that time we played 7 games and Baxter has played 4, come off as sub in 2 of them and not played in 3 of them, him being an unused sub in all 3. In this time he's played with Done for about 60 minutes, i'd like to see him develop an understanding with Done that could see us score a lot of goals and also leave space in other areas of the pitch for us to exploit. Baxter still has a future here for me, we have to play him right and Clough hasn't helped his cause with his continuous tinkering this season.

Go on then Sitters, please comment. WHO WAS TO BLAME IF IT WASN'T BAXTER?

 

[sitwell]

So why is he to blame sitters? You persistently defend the manager and blame one player. What about it?

For god sake read the 10000 posts Ive already posted ,Ive given my point of view ,just try reading them.

Am I missing something here ?

 

[sitwell]

See I think that is a myth ,just watch him closely ,he doesn't look forward ,9 out of 10 passes are sideways and that's not just to lack of options. When I say hes lazy I mean mentally not physically ,I don't think he would get near the team if he was physically unfit or overweight ,that is just a convenient excuse (but not a very favourable one). We have players to do the other jobs better than him ,winger and tackler , and he just hasn't stepped up to be a creative playmaker ,which is what we lack most of all and he gives the ball away far to frequently.. He doesn't even supply the wingers as much as the other midfielders and I agree with Ken ,he does hide. Nothing against him personally ,I actually like that type of laid back character ,I dislike him purely as a footballer and think he is the main reason we have been poor.

There you go it wasn't that difficult to find really ,can I have my tea now ?

 

[Woodwardfan]

For god sake read the 10000 posts Ive already posted ,Ive given my point of view ,just try reading them.

OK Sitters, I'll be kind, you are obsessed and Baxter is just one player in a squad of 30 plus. You talk utter crap, let's leave it at that.

Please don't ask me to re-quote all the nonsense you have come up with these past few days.

 

[sitwell]

OK Sitters, I'll be kind, you are obsessed and Baxter is just one player in a squad of 30 plus. You talk utter crap, let's leave it at that.

From the poster who harped on about us having no blacks that's fresh.
Did you notice Adams and Calvert-Lewin by the way ?

 

[Woodwardfan]

Oops ,never knew about this ,probably crap as it never got to court don't think.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/oct/06/everton-jose-baxter-cannabis-police

Oh dear.

 

[Woodwardfan]

From the poster who harped on about us having no blacks that's fresh.
Did you notice Adams and Calvert-Lewin by the way ?

Oh dear.

 

[Woodwardfan]

From the poster who harped on about us having no blacks that's fresh.
Did you notice Adams and Calvert-Lewin by the way ?

Anyway Sitters, leaving aside irrelevancies, what have you to say about Baxter being totally to blame?