Bournemouth..

[davidpinder]

Six years ago Bournemouth were here
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Given time,,, shows what can be achieved with steady progress and joined up thinking . didnt win every game 4-0 in first season just stability and team work to start with , now playing good football after building the foundations

notice brentford won league that year theyve built up steadily too. with less money

Got to feel for bury that year not promoted by one goal, wonder what it's like to lose out by one goal

 

[wizadry]

The football league seems to work in cycles, so I don't have an issue with teams leap frogging us, well I do, but it's the way things go... But I'd rather teams weren't praised so much for bringing in a rich new owner after clearing the debts by forcing the creditors to write those debts off...

If we do have to bring ourselves into this, then in brief, we found ourselves in a position where we were out of money (forget the arguments about spending for a moment), we had to cutback and comply with financial fair play - cutting spending and getting expensive assets off the books during this time - basically to ensure we were playing within the rules... And then teams like Bournemouth and many others benefit from their admin period.

Makes you wonder if it's worth staying out of admin at times.

Fortunately McCabe found the prince and were able to turn things around again.... Albeit slowly

Whether me, you or anyone for that matter doesn't like what they've done or how they've gone about it, they have ultimately achieved something miraculous for their respective clubs and at this moment in time won't give a flying fuck how they got to the position in which they find themselves in at this time.

 

[davidpinder]

The football league seems to work in cycles, so I don't have an issue with teams leap frogging us, well I do, but it's the way things go... But I'd rather teams weren't praised so much for bringing in a rich new owner after clearing the debts by forcing the creditors to write those debts off...

If we do have to bring ourselves into this, then in brief, we found ourselves in a position where we were out of money (forget the arguments about spending for a moment), we had to cutback and comply with financial fair play - cutting spending and getting expensive assets off the books during this time - basically to ensure we were playing within the rules... And then teams like Bournemouth and many others benefit from their admin period.

Makes you wonder if it's worth staying out of admin at times.

Fortunately McCabe found the prince and were able to turn things around again.... Albeit slowly

Unfortunately to many teams have done it Swiss, sometimes the 10 point deduction isn't enough. Maybe look how the Scottish league treated Rangers.

 

[pommpey]

Which book is that, pommpey? Have they (finally) updated the Clareborough book?

Yep. It was available from a link on here a few weeks ago from The Works in town. Six quid well spent.

pommpey

 

[itsinyerblood]

Can't see any one having to dig deep at Bournemouth, this seasons budget was £5M, promotion will net £100M.

It sounds like a great deal of money Grumps, and if they manage to pick up a few players for between £5 - 15million, with maybe one or two in excess of that, that might be the difference between getting off to a good start or looking up at those above them. Trouble is, anyone of merit will be under consideration by other, more established clubs, but them's the hand they've been dealt. Hope they do well, it'll be one of those romance stories that comes along every so often if they manage to remain in the Premiership.

 

[mattbianco1]

Can't see any one having to dig deep at Bournemouth, this seasons budget was £5M, promotion will net £100M.

Big gamble this season for them. Rumour is that if they had failed in promotion it could've bankrupted them.. Again

 

[SwissBlade]

Whether me, you or anyone for that matter doesn't like what they've done or how they've gone about it, they have ultimately achieved something miraculous for their respective clubs and at this moment in time won't give a flying fuck how they got to the position in which they find themselves in at this time.

Yep their fans will be lapping it up, I'm quite sure. Hope they go the way of Pompey!

Unfortunately to many teams have done it Swiss, sometimes the 10 point deduction isn't enough. Maybe look how the Scottish league treated Rangers.

Agreed, I wonder if the leagues will look at it. realistically I doubt it.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Big gamble this season for them. Rumour is that if they had failed in promotion it could've bankrupted them.. Again

Eddie Mitchell local builder and ex chairman was doing some work in Sandbanks near where Harry and Jamie Rednapp live , The guy who bought the house for £5m and had it knocked down and built a £15m house on the plot of land . The young guy was Russian , who has bank rolled Bournemouth . He is on par with Abramovich in wealth terms . The difference in London and parts of the south , individuals and companies from foreign shores , have financial wealth to purchase football clubs .

The new world of football foreign investment in the UK means a lot more smaller less glamorous clubs will hit the dizzy heights of the premiership . Whether or not it is short lived only time will tell .

These days it is a fact that tradition means nothing , and as in life money talks . The next team to make league 2 , coming from nothing will be FC United of Manchester .

We must all remember the rise and fall of Rushden and Diamonds.

UTB

 

[sheffielder]

I was watching the Bournemouth match last night and couldn't help thinking how mardy our fans would've got when it was 0-0 after 30mins.

They were passing Bolton to death but Bolton were standing tall.

Then, they got the 1st goal. The noise lifted immensely and they scored again straight after.

Apparently fans don't make a difference

So what you're saying is that the players should go all out to get the 1st goal, then the noise will be lifted immensely. You're a fucking genius!

 

[Mustela Putorius Furo]

Unfortunately to many teams have done it Swiss, sometimes the 10 point deduction isn't enough. Maybe look how the Scottish league treated Rangers.

Rangers were given special treatment. The Scottish league constitution demands 2 years accounts from any club (its owning company) applying to join, to show stability before they can be considered to be admitted. Rangers clearly didn't have that because when they went bust they established a brand new company. So an exception was made for them.

 

[Mustela Putorius Furo]

We must all remember the rise and fall of Rushden and Diamonds.

UTB

And Colne Dynamoes.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

And Colne Dynamoes.

And Gretna

 

[Worksop II]

Yep their fans will be lapping it up, I'm quite sure. Hope they go the way of Pompey!

What !! - they are all gonna turn loud mouthed and antogonistic .....

 

[grafikhaus]

Good article here. It seems the 'new way' is an almost-fanatical attention to detail (which the Cherries have in common with Southampton). Of course, 'foreign investment' helps (sometimes) but, with a third of all teams in the top four divisions under foreign ownership, they can't all be successful.

There is no 'magic bullet'. Eddie Howe had a pretty disastrous spell at Burnley before returning to Bournemouth. The latest mantra seems to be 'immaculate pitches' (both first team and training). Again, Southampton were one of the first with this. Obviously other teams - us and even the pigs - will twig this but, by then, these cutting-edge teams will have moved on.

 

[grafikhaus]

Yep. It was available from a link on here a few weeks ago from The Works in town. Six quid well spent.

pommpey

Nah, what I meant was has this book been updated? I got mine a couple of weeks ago (bought online from The Works - guarantees endless spam) and it goes up to 2011-12. If not, I'm doing supplements to bring (certain) pages up to the present day...

Let me know (anybody) if it has been updated as it'd save me a shedload of work.

 

[Kenilworth]

The football league seems to work in cycles, so I don't have an issue with teams leap frogging us, well I do, but it's the way things go... But I'd rather teams weren't praised so much for bringing in a rich new owner after clearing the debts by forcing the creditors to write those debts off...

If we do have to bring ourselves into this, then in brief, we found ourselves in a position where we were out of money (forget the arguments about spending for a moment), we had to cutback and comply with financial fair play - cutting spending and getting expensive assets off the books during this time - basically to ensure we were playing within the rules... And then teams like Bournemouth and many others benefit from their admin period.

Makes you wonder if it's worth staying out of admin at times.

Fortunately McCabe found the prince and were able to turn things around again.... Albeit slowly

So there's no difference between any of those clubs going into Administration and our Saudi Co Owner promising to invest if McCabe agrees to write off all the clubs debts himself? Net position is the same - or is the implication that we are still saddled with a load of baggage that acts as a millstone around our metaphoric neck?

The cruel truth of the matter is that we had a clean slate granted to us and we still can't seem to push on at the same pace as those other clubs have.

We can't pour scorn on those clubs that have risen from the ashes of an administration debacle to a degree of success and suggest that we haven't been playing on a level playing field. Our path may have been different but the underlying position is one of parity and similar opportunity.

 

[Balham]

Can't see any one having to dig deep at Bournemouth, this seasons budget was £5M, promotion will net £100M.

No, this season's turnover was £5m. They will have spent upwards of £20m. In the season they got promoted from League One, they posted a loss of £15.3m.

Don't get me wrong, Eddie Howe has done a good job down there but let's not pretend that they're a little club done well. They will be spending more than any side without parachute payments this season.

 

[mattbianco1]

What !! - they are all gonna turn loud mouthed and antogonistic .....

nah, you're missing a 'M'

 

[raul]

No, this season's turnover was £5m. They will have spent upwards of £20m. In the season they got promoted from League One, they posted a loss of £15.3m.

Don't get me wrong, Eddie Howe has done a good job down there but let's not pretend that they're a little club done well. They will be spending more than any side without parachute payments this season.

Agreed and I've already pointed out as such elsewhere, but they're perfectly entitled to do so . Kenny makes a good point (support me on this, it might keep him off gags for a bit), we sit and scoff at teams we consider beneath our history, tradition and standing merrily climbing upwards pointing out it "will all end in tears" whilst we wrap ourselves up in our 19000 people sized comfort blanket and become ever more comfortable with our big fish/puddle status.

In the last 20 years we've spent as much time in the top division as Blackpool, Barnsley and Bournemouth and less than Watford, Reading and Burnley. Were it not for our cup exploits, we'd be completely anonymous now.
Watford are for me more interesting a story than Bournemouth. They seem to be on the brink of extinction every 18 months or so yet never drop below mid Champ and keep nicking promotion every sever or eight years or so.
There's obviously two sides to the story and I'm comfortable with anyone coming out with a list that usually starts with "Leeds" and goes on from there, but that other side certainly looks more interesting than the one we're on.

 

[Kenilworth]

Agreed and I've already pointed out as such elsewhere, but they're perfectly entitled to do so . Kenny makes a good point (support me on this, it might keep him off gags for a bit), we sit and scoff at teams we consider beneath our history, tradition and standing merrily climbing upwards pointing out it "will all end in tears" whilst we wrap ourselves up in our 19000 people sized comfort blanket and become ever more comfortable with our big fish/puddle status.

In the last 20 years we've spent as much time in the top division as Blackpool, Barnsley and Bournemouth and less than Watford, Reading and Burnley. Were it not for our cup exploits, we'd be completely anonymous now.
Watford are for me more interesting a story than Bournemouth. They seem to be on the brink of extinction every 18 months or so yet never drop below mid Champ and keep nicking promotion every sever or eight years or so.
There's obviously two sides to the story and I'm comfortable with anyone coming out with a list that usually starts with "Leeds" and goes on from there, but that other side certainly looks more interesting than the one we're on.

Did you know that in Pakistan they have several words for "zero"
Is that a case of "much Urdu about nothing?"

 

[super_pig]

I remember when we beat them 5-3 at the Lane just before they got good. I thought they were really shit and started backing against them every week for a while. So I think it's fair to say the transformation was mostly down to me, I can change a team's fortune completely in just one or two bets.

so what are you waiting for then??

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

so what are you waiting for then??

It would be too obvious. The gods know.

 

[Grecian2000]

Come on mate. Be sensible.

I'm being perfectly sensible thanks.

My position is clear. Players win games not spectators.
You're trying to come up with some cockeyed notion that it isn't so, that a bit of crowd noise actually makes a difference.

Couple more examples for you then (to add to the two you so kindly provided for my argument).

Blades v Forest. Forest score to make it 0-2 (1-3 agg.). Mass celebration Lane end, shock silence on three sides. Players suck it up, straight down pitch and equalise. How so in your world?

A roof on the Sty Kop. Couldn't begin to count the number of articles in the Star or on RS claiming the new roof would be "worth a goal" every game. Fuck me. If it is then they've been playing Conference level football ever since because without that goal a game that's where they'd be.

I have no doubt, it is a lot nicer experience for all to be in a nice happy and enthusiastic crowd but this is professional sport and it's entirely down to the skill, organisation and desire of those playing the game, not those sat on the sidelines, even if it does give us a bit of a warm glow that we might make a difference.

 

[mattbianco1]

I'm being perfectly sensible thanks.

My position is clear. Players win games not spectators.
You're trying to come up with some cockeyed notion that it isn't so, that a bit of crowd noise actually makes a difference.

Couple more examples for you then (to add to the two you so kindly provided for my argument).

Blades v Forest. Forest score to make it 0-2 (1-3 agg.). Mass celebration Lane end, shock silence on three sides. Players suck it up, straight down pitch and equalise. How so in your world?

A roof on the Sty Kop. Couldn't begin to count the number of articles in the Star or on RS claiming the new roof would be "worth a goal" every game. Fuck me. If it is then they've been playing Conference level football ever since because without that goal a game that's where they'd be.

I have no doubt, it is a lot nicer experience for all to be in a nice happy and enthusiastic crowd but this is professional sport and it's entirely down to the skill, organisation and desire of those playing the game, not those sat on the sidelines, even if it does give us a bit of a warm glow that we might make a difference.

I can't believe people are seriously questioning this.

Obviously teams will score when their fans are quiet and they will score when fans are loud. It's not an exact science that you only score when your fans are singing.

But, when you're up against it and your legs have gone and you've been knocking on the door for 89 minutes without success and the crowd suddenly crank up a notch at a corner or throw-in in a dangerous area. Are you saying that doesn't lift the players? When it's 0-0 and the board goes up for 5 extra minutes, the place lifts and the team have one last crack.

What you are saying is that the common term "12th man" means jack shit.

It means that players that gee the crowd up by waving their arms in an upward direction know jack shit too. How many times have you seen players look at their fans and ask them to crank the noise up? Do they just like lifting their hands up and down or do they think it will help lift the players?

In the same way that you can get talked out of a game by the opposing CB sledging you all game, the crowd can lifts the players.

 

[Hartley Hare]

We should have bought Wilson when he was at Coventry. Particularly after he scored that cracker against us at Northampton.

I wager we will be playing them again in the league before the end of next year.

There is always hope.

HH

 

[diplomat]

I remember when we beat them 5-3 at the Lane just before they got good. I thought they were really shit and started backing against them every week for a while. So I think it's fair to say the transformation was mostly down to me, I can change a team's fortune completely in just one or two bets.

I put a fiver on hull to go down and they've been champions elect ever since

 

[SwissBlade]

So there's no difference between any of those clubs going into Administration and our Saudi Co Owner promising to invest if McCabe agrees to write off all the clubs debts himself? Net position is the same - or is the implication that we are still saddled with a load of baggage that acts as a millstone around our metaphoric neck?

The cruel truth of the matter is that we had a clean slate granted to us and we still can't seem to push on at the same pace as those other clubs have.

We can't pour scorn on those clubs that have risen from the ashes of an administration debacle to a degree of success and suggest that we haven't been playing on a level playing field. Our path may have been different but the underlying position is one of parity and similar opportunity.

The major difference is that our owner, McCabe didn't allow us into admin. The debt is with him, so he's bitten the bullet on this one.

As I said, I didn't really want to make it about us, my point wasnt about us, it was about the sides around Bournemouth at the time of their revival.

I don't even have an issue with the football side of Bournemouth, my point related to the punishment for entering admin.

 

[sheffielder]

I can't believe people are seriously questioning this.

Obviously teams will score when their fans are quiet and they will score when fans are loud. It's not an exact science that you only score when your fans are singing.

But, when you're up against it and your legs have gone and you've been knocking on the door for 89 minutes without success and the crowd suddenly crank up a notch at a corner or throw-in in a dangerous area. Are you saying that doesn't lift the players? When it's 0-0 and the board goes up for 5 extra minutes, the place lifts and the team have one last crack.

What you are saying is that the common term "12th man" means jack shit.

It means that players that gee the crowd up by waving their arms in an upward direction know jack shit too. How many times have you seen players look at their fans and ask them to crank the noise up? Do they just like lifting their hands up and down or do they think it will help lift the players?

In the same way that you can get talked out of a game by the opposing CB sledging you all game, the crowd can lifts the players.

It goes hand in hand Matt. You can't have one without the other.

For people to come on here and constantly have a pop at the fans is in itself very negative, although I am still fucking livid with those 400 cunts who went to Yeovil and lost

 

[mattbianco1]

It goes hand in hand Matt. You can't have one without the other.

For people to come on here and constantly have a pop at the fans is in itself very negative, although I am still fucking livid with those 400 cunts who went to Yeovil and lost

I'm not "having a pop". But there are definitely times when we don't help the team with the constant groaning etc. And there are other times when the crowd really do lift the players like the Spurs game.

We don't sit behind an invisible sound proof force field.

Remember Michael Doyle at Crewe 2 seasons back? Tell me the fans didn't affect his game that night.

 

[sheffielder]

I'm not "having a pop". But there are definitely times when we don't help the team with the constant groaning etc. And there are other times when the crowd really do lift the players like the Spurs game.

We don't sit behind an invisible sound proof force field.

Remember Michael Doyle at Crewe 2 seasons back? Tell me the fans didn't affect his game that night.

And there are times when a players wins a 50/50 that it lifts the crowd, or when you see Murphy running at defenders in the 2nd half, unlike his first half. Managers also impact how players play. Look at Chelsea tonight. Terry said at half time that Jose ripped them a new one, now look at the performance. Or was it the fans who lifted the players this evening?

As I said, you don't get one without the other, and I would imagine looking back at it, Doyle would admit he wasn't good enough back then. Everyone keeps telling me how good he has been since then.