whingers

[blade too long]

Yesterday we weren't giving 100% effort in the first half, this is not acceptable. All our fans want is maximum effort to the best of their ability and to me they haven't given that on a number of occasions this season including yesterday, no where near.

'Btw', you don't like our fans slagging the players or manager off, then go on to say we have ten bob players. If only that was true mate, we might lower our expectations.

have you watched Chelsea today , champions elect , scored with their first shot at goal in the 87th minute

heres a squad thats cost 6 or 700 million , and they looked as effective as us
Ive said it before Ill say it again , if you see 10 90 minute great displays in one season your very very lucky
Especially at this level
to imagine we can look like 1970 brazil in every game is like me expecting my wife to look like Sofia Vergara every morning but some days she looks more like susan boyle , but thats life

 

[judge]

have you watched Chelsea today , champions elect , scored with their first shot at goal in the 87th minute

heres a squad thats cost 6 or 700 million , and they looked as effective as us
Ive said it before Ill say it again , if you see 10 90 minute great displays in one season your very very licky
Especially at this level
to imagine we can look like 1970 brazil in every game is like me expecting my wife to look like Sofia Vergara every morning

Can you name one 90 min display from us this season ?

 

[blade too long]

bristol city away , southampton scunthorpe h , preston h barnsley a bradford a

all decent displays

 

[grafikhaus]

Most teams play well above themselves against us it's their cup final

Ah yes. I left that out of the '100 excuses that only apply to United.'

 

[wizadry]

have you watched Chelsea today , champions elect , scored with their first shot at goal in the 87th minute

heres a squad thats cost 6 or 700 million , and they looked as effective as us
Ive said it before Ill say it again , if you see 10 90 minute great displays in one season your very very lucky
Especially at this level
to imagine we can look like 1970 brazil in every game is like me expecting my wife to look like Sofia Vergara every morning but some days she looks more like susan boyle , but thats life

As it happens i did watch Chelsea and yes they were far from their best but when you have a good solid defence and quite a few match winners you can afford to have a few off days. I think we have played only a handful of games where our players have come off the pitch leaving it all on the pitch. A bit of balance from your side would make it a lot better to debate with.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

How long have you been supporting United? Since Weir became manager?

1975/6 was my first season. I have occasionally lapsed.

 

[blade too long]

As it happens i did watch Chelsea and yes they were far from there best but when you have a good solid defence and quite a few match winners you can afford to have a few off days. I think we have played only a handful of games where our players have come off the pitch leaving it all on the pitch..

I do give balance , Im realistic , some of our players do give their all but at times it looks pitiful if your setting the bar too high for league one players
I see poor quality from time to time but rarely a lack off effort
Do you give your paid employment 110 % every single time , I consider myself a workaholic , but I know theres been days when I dont give it my all , for various reasons ,again these are human beings ,
failing is doing what man city have done in their last 4 away games , with one of the best squads in english history
they have the undeniable quality , big time players
we have the bit part players the extras , who probably we expect far far too much from

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I will reiterate that every Blade is 100% behind the team, the only problem is that if someone didn't criticise or voice their disapproval at certain things then we'd all be living in a fairytale or dreamland.

For me this is simply not true. The bloke in front of me yesterday was using the first half display to demonstrate how knowledgeable and insightful he was to a clique of approving admirers by spouting nonsense and cliches.

Istm generally it's an "adult" version of the same people who shout at kids in junior football.

It's a very ugly sight, and the interests of the team and the players is the last thing on their mind.

By all means be constructive in any criticism, everyone needs that.

 

[wizadry]

I do give balance , Im realistic , some of our players do give their all but at times it looks pitiful if your setting the bar too high for league one players
I see poor quality from time to time but rarely a lack off effort
Do you give your paid employment 110 % every single time , I consider myself a workaholic , but I know theres been days when I dont give it my all , for various reasons ,again these are human beings ,
failing is doing what man city have done in their last 4 away games , with one of the best squads in english history
they have the undeniable quality , big time players
we have the bit part players the extras , who probably we expect far far too much from

I don't set the bar too high, i prefer to be entertained and seeing my side give 100% effort for the majority of games while ever their bodies can manage it and with our squad numbers we should be okay for a sustained period of time. If i was a Man City fan i would be happy with the performance against Crystal Palace just not the result, i'd be content with that performance, today against Man Utd i thought they were good for the first 20 minutes but then Man Utd ran the midfield through Carrick and Herrera so i wouldn't be impressed by that performance and i would be asking questions.

What i'm trying to say is that i don't expect to win every game, i just want us to have a go at teams for a lot longer in games instead of less than half a game like we've seen sometimes this season, that can't be much to ask.

 

[wizadry]

For me this is simply not true. The bloke in front of me yesterday was using the first half display to demonstrate how knowledgeable and insightful he was to a clique of approving admirers by spouting nonsense and cliches.

Istm generally it's an "adult" version of the same people who shout at kids in junior football.

It's a very ugly sight, and the interests of the team and the players is the last thing on their mind.

By all means be constructive in any criticism, everyone needs that.

So you don't think that on kick off in any game that every Blade is 100% behind the team? I don't know anybody like that mate. I do hear a few expletitives in the crowd during games but like i say in my initial post were not all the same.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

So you don't think that on kick off in any game that every Blade is 100% behind the team? I don't know anybody like that mate. I do hear a few expletitives in the crowd during games but like i say in my initial post were not all the same.

I think everyone who is a blade is a blade , if that makes sense . Overall up to press its been a bit of a whirlwind season , and if we are honest we ain't got much to moan about . The club does seem to be in good hands both from a management and board level aspect , and in many a year gone by , it was one or the other or both bringing the club down . This season IMO . fans have been pretty patient , as expectations are so high to get out of league 1 . If we achieve it , great , and a boat load of relief . If we don't ( and i am sure we will ) , we start all over again , with expectations and great support .

We have a tendency of knocking the the board , manager , players and fans , but thats because football is not only about players running around a pitch , but opinions and how it becomes a integral part of your life . Yes i have had a go at Clough and certain players on this forum , and as others , quite rightly so . We all get completely pissed off , at full time after a crap performance , but overall , as William Henry says constructive criticism is good and productive . Clough will see the issues same as us , and will sort it .

Its different us debating it on a forum , which is good , than fans having a go or pop , at other fans or individual players , at the match by verbal abuse or even fighting each other . Not long to go , and lets hope that when we get there (Wembley ) , it will be a positive memory for us all .

UTB

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

I do give balance , Im realistic , some of our players do give their all but at times it looks pitiful if your setting the bar too high for league one players
I see poor quality from time to time but rarely a lack off effort
Do you give your paid employment 110 % every single time , I consider myself a workaholic , but I know theres been days when I dont give it my all , for various reasons ,again these are human beings ,
failing is doing what man city have done in their last 4 away games , with one of the best squads in english history
they have the undeniable quality , big time players
we have the bit part players the extras , who probably we expect far far too much from

Good post and put it better than i could . I am a workaholic and spend time away a lot . Some days i could conquer the world , then other days just don't turn up with a performance . No reasoning behind it , just human nature i guess . I think football has become a bit unreal ,which doesn't help the situation with Sky , salaries etc .

What we have to remember with our squad , they are all of sound character , values and hard workers or Clough would not have them.
However they are league 1 players . If they had the total mental strength , skill and ability , they would not be playing for us , but in a higher league , as we would not be able to afford them . We have to give them some slack , but Bristol City running away with the league , as not helped matters in reasoned thinking.

UTB

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Got me thinking about a very amusing incident witnessed by a mate at a Sheffield FC match a few years back.

It was a Sheffield FC v Woodley FA Cup tie and one of the Woodley substitutes was sent off from the bench having got into some verbals with a supporter. As he headed off, the Woodley player inadvisably continued his exchange of verbals with the brawny Sheffield FC supporter, at which point the supporter picked up a large waste bin and tipped it over his head - pie remains, bovril cups, rainwater, tab ends - the lot! Even worse, for the player concerned, he found himself wedged inside the bin, so was walking around with it stuck over his head and upper body with the contents dropping out around his ankles. You couldn't make it up.


http://www.offthepost.info/blog/201...fc-fan-who-tipped-bin-over-opposition-player/

Bins at the front of the South stand so fans can 'deal' with the muppet in charge every time we go behind.

It's the only way forward.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

So you don't think that on kick off in any game that every Blade is 100% behind the team? I don't know anybody like that mate. I do hear a few expletitives in the crowd during games but like i say in my initial post were not all the same.

Maybe, and only maybe, they are at kick off - but that soon vaporizes into a thick dark cloud of destructive negativity if the currently favoured object of derision misplaces a pass, say. (Again the bloke in front of me on Satdi.) Then the hair trigger abuse kicks in - almost like it was that they were looking forward to?

Do some "fans" turn up as somewhere to go to vent, with not that much interest in the team?

Dunno. Ask a psychologist. Or a psychotherapist. Or a psychopath.

(It's not all as bad as that: sometimes it's low level nervousness, or someone voicing their frustrations at the seemingly inevitable doom of being a Blade.)

 

[Cyprus Blade]

I do give balance , Im realistic , some of our players do give their all but at times it looks pitiful if your setting the bar too high for league one players

Sorry but the only bar that matters for me (other than the one I will hit if we fail to get out of this ruddy division) is Sheffield United getting promotion.

With some of the capability/consistency issues some of our players have the only ace in their hand is the ability to give 100% effort so its disappointing if we don't see that displayed. Of course you will get the odd idiot (clappers and whingers included) and of course the desperation to get out of this division is going to affect the reaction to games, but in the main I take my hat off to the supporters who turn out, hand over their hard-earned cash and shout the Blades on in exchange for some entertainment, commitment and the chance for some dreams to come true.

If there is a fear factor the way the players are going about their business its as likely to come from how their performance is viewed from the dug-out as the terrace. Let's face it there is going to be a clear out in the summer come what may (I doubt we will see Alcock, Higdon, JCR, Cuvelier next season to name a few) so they are playing for their futures. So is Nigel. I hope that the players, the manager as well as the supporters handle the pressure over the next few weeks as well as possible or we could implode in the play-offs, again .

 

[Revolution]

(It's not all as bad as that: sometimes it's low level nervousness, or someone voicing their frustrations at the seemingly inevitable doom of being a Blade.)

Just to check - I know that booing or expressing displeasure in any other way are not acceptable: but is this voicing of frustration or low level nervousness that you describe here permissible?

 

[Revolution]

I do give balance

The least true thing ever said on this site.

 

[Foxy]

Do some "fans" turn up as somewhere to go to vent, with not that much interest in the team?

Absolutely.

I think a lot of it is down to a complete lack of patience (yes, as fans we've had that tested extensively over the years) in individuals, that and the overriding feeling of "being right", which handily pales into insignificance when being wrong.

I've noticed more than usual this season, people around me absolutely slating a pass, shot or cross the split second it's left a players foot, choosing to abuse the player and his ability. Perfect example was a beautiful ball from Bob Harris at the Barnsley match, which was an absolute peach and only the toe end of a defender managed to deflect the resulting Davies effort wide for a corner. As soon as Bob swung his foot, he got an absolute slating from the bloke behind me, real tirade of abuse, till said expert saw the end results of it, at which point he simply stayed a little quieter, as I got a tap on the arm from Linz for my sarcastic outburst.

Another favourite of mine, are of few of the away Blades who lay into other fans for not supporting the side in the way they want them to (usually, with our worse songs stolen from elsewhere, that everyone sings), telling them they should get behind the lads, support their team like proper Blades... Then spit dogs abuse at the same team as they trudge off at half time or full time

It takes all sorts though, as frustrating as it is if you don't agree with said people, they are generally there because like the rest of us, they are Blades!

I'm somewhere in the middle, between thinking people have a right to express their honest opinions and thinking that the behaviour of those who do so in certain ways during a match do nothing but hinder those we all so desperately want to do well.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Absolutely.

I think a lot of it is down to a complete lack of patience (yes, as fans we've had that tested extensively over the years) in individuals, that and the overriding feeling of "being right", which handily pales into insignificance when being wrong.

I've noticed more than usual this season, people around me absolutely slating a pass, shot or cross the split second it's left a players foot, choosing to abuse the player and his ability. Perfect example was a beautiful ball from Bob Harris at the Barnsley match, which was an absolute peach and only the toe end of a defender managed to deflect the resulting Davies effort wide for a corner. As soon as Bob swung his foot, he got an absolute slating from the bloke behind me, real tirade of abuse, till said expert saw the end results of it, at which point he simply stayed a little quieter, as I got a tap on the arm from Linz for my sarcastic outburst.

Another favourite of mine, are of few of the away Blades who lay into other fans for not supporting the side in the way they want them to (usually, with our worse songs stolen from elsewhere, that everyone sings), telling them they should get behind the lads, support their team like proper Blades... Then spit dogs abuse at the same team as they trudge off at half time or full time

It takes all sorts though, as frustrating as it is if you don't agree with said people, they are generally there because like the rest of us, they are Blades!

I'm somewhere in the middle, between thinking people have a right to express their honest opinions and thinking that the behaviour of those who do so in certain ways during a match do nothing but hinder those we all so desperately want to do well.

Supporters are supporters, good, bad and indifferent although the booze influences much of the behaviour. It's the one that is continually on his phone for the whole game that gets me.

 

[Foxy]

It's the one that is continually on his phone for the whole game that gets me.

I get particularly annoyed by those who arrive late for kick off, or who are unable to stop themselves falling over rows of seats

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Absolutely.

I think a lot of it is down to a complete lack of patience (yes, as fans we've had that tested extensively over the years) in individuals, that and the overriding feeling of "being right", which handily pales into insignificance when being wrong.

I've noticed more than usual this season, people around me absolutely slating a pass, shot or cross the split second it's left a players foot, choosing to abuse the player and his ability. Perfect example was a beautiful ball from Bob Harris at the Barnsley match, which was an absolute peach and only the toe end of a defender managed to deflect the resulting Davies effort wide for a corner. As soon as Bob swung his foot, he got an absolute slating from the bloke behind me, real tirade of abuse, till said expert saw the end results of it, at which point he simply stayed a little quieter, as I got a tap on the arm from Linz for my sarcastic outburst.

Another favourite of mine, are of few of the away Blades who lay into other fans for not supporting the side in the way they want them to (usually, with our worse songs stolen from elsewhere, that everyone sings), telling them they should get behind the lads, support their team like proper Blades... Then spit dogs abuse at the same team as they trudge off at half time or full time

It takes all sorts though, as frustrating as it is if you don't agree with said people, they are generally there because like the rest of us, they are Blades!

I'm somewhere in the middle, between thinking people have a right to express their honest opinions and thinking that the behaviour of those who do so in certain ways during a match do nothing but hinder those we all so desperately want to do well.

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What he said

 

[IOM Blade]

People are just fed up at the prospect of another year in this dire league. We should be going up automatic this year. Yes, we are in the Play Offs, but we all know our record in that is awful, so it's looking like a forth year in League One, which will be the longest stretch of any 'big club' in recent years.

Years in League One following relegation since 2000

1 Year - Leicester, Norwich, Wolves
2 Years - Pigs (x2), Southampton, Bristol City*
3 Years - QPR, Forest, Leeds, Charlton, Preston*

*in all probability.

Even Donny, Scunny and Peterborough have been promoted after 1 year. The only similar(ish) sized teams with worse records are Bradford and Portsmouth.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

I get particularly annoyed by those who arrive late for kick off, or who are unable to stop themselves falling over rows of seats

I agree! Late for the kick-off is just wrong and they need whipping soundly, not to be confused with those like myself, WalthamstowBlade, Highbury_Blade, boundsgreen, Blackheath Blade and a few others who maximise drinking time and ensure we are adequately refreshed for the coming 90 minutes.

 

[Large Mendonca]

People are just fed up at the prospect of another year in this dire league. We should be going up automatic this year. Yes, we are in the Play Offs, but we all know our record in that is awful, so it's looking like a forth year in League One, which will be the longest stretch of any 'big club' in recent years.

Years in League One following relegation since 2000

1 Year - Leicester, Norwich, Wolves
2 Years - Pigs (x2), Southampton, Bristol City*
3 Years - QPR, Forest, Leeds, Charlton, Preston*

*in all probability.

Even Donny, Scunny and Peterborough have been promoted after 1 year. The only similar(ish) sized teams with worse records are Bradford and Portsmouth.

I think this has a lot to do with it, only next season will be our 5th year if we don't go up. As a club this size it's quite embarrassing really.......

 

[Revolution]

I think this has a lot to do with it, only next season will be our 5th year if we don't go up. As a club this size it's quite embarrassing really.......

So do I. As was mentioned by a number of people a couple of weeks ago, we have the largest resources in the division in terms of gate money, we have a huge squad, Clough did a great job last year, the board have backed the manager...and yet we have been nowhere near automatic promotion and we are inconsistent to say the least.

I think people's reactions are coloured by the impression that, for once, we should have done better. That's certainly my view.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Given the above it really does show up the argument that our fans are especially 'impatient' as utterly ridiculous.

 

[Revolution]

The only similar(ish) sized teams with worse records are Bradford and Portsmouth.

Both of whom have been in administration, and one of whom has reached a sodding cup final during its time in the fourth tier!

 

[Darren]

People are just fed up at the prospect of another year in this dire league. We should be going up automatic this year. Yes, we are in the Play Offs, but we all know our record in that is awful, so it's looking like a forth year in League One, which will be the longest stretch of any 'big club' in recent years.

Years in League One following relegation since 2000

1 Year - Leicester, Norwich, Wolves
2 Years - Pigs (x2), Southampton, Bristol City*
3 Years - QPR, Forest, Leeds, Charlton, Preston*

*in all probability.

Even Donny, Scunny and Peterborough have been promoted after 1 year. The only similar(ish) sized teams with worse records are Bradford and Portsmouth.

On a point of information, Preston will have had 4 years if they go up this year. They went down with us in 2011. The general point is correct though.

 

[Darren]

Both of whom have been in administration, and one of whom has reached a sodding cup final during its time in the fourth tier!

I have mentioned before that Portsmouth have probably had the longest spell of any "big" club (defined as the majority of their history in the top two divisions?) in the lower 2 tiers - 7 years, - 1976-83. I think the next longest spells must be us (79-84) and Wednesday (75-80).

 

[blade too long]

I don't set the bar too high, i prefer to be entertained and seeing my side give 100% effort for the majority of games while ever their bodies can manage it and with our squad numbers we should be okay for a sustained period of time. If i was a Man City fan i would be happy with the performance against Crystal Palace just not the result, i'd be content with that performance, today against Man Utd i thought they were good for the first 20 minutes but then Man Utd ran the midfield through Carrick and Herrera so i wouldn't be impressed by that performance and i would be asking questions.

What i'm trying to say is that i don't expect to win every game, i just want us to have a go at teams for a lot longer in games instead of less than half a game like we've seen sometimes this season, that can't be much to ask.

We all want to be entertained , but its a team game , , some days you see great individual efferts and then , when it all comes together you see a fully thrilling team effort, but Ive been watching football since 1962 /3 and come to realise if you get 10 of those in a season you are lucky. Even the best teams in the world cant manage it, Man Utd have got better results this season , but have they been entertaining , only once or twice.
They have taken till 4 or 5 games ago to look something like and they have every resource possible but their fans will admit , its not been high on entertainment until LVG s planning comes to fruition. How we are expected to become fluent and easy on the eye in less time with poorer players is baffling to me

We had fans in here moaning about United only having 11 shots on target in one game ,Chesea had 2 on saturday v QPR,were they entertaining , no they were gathering points, and thats what we are concentrating on just now.