whingers

[Maidenhead]

I was one of the "Porterfield out" mob but wasnt in the car park after that 5-2 defeat against Norwich. He was signing old players on high wages and kept dropping Edwards

The clue there silent is "after the game"

 

[Revolution]

I was one of the "Porterfield out" mob but wasnt in the car park after that 5-2 defeat against Norwich. He was signing old players on high wages and kept dropping Edwards

There you go: remember The abuse dished out at home to Boro, Millwall, Carlisle and Fulham ( and we won the last 2 games!)?

The idea that we were a more tolerant bunch then is a myth.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

Just what my mate said to me the other day. " You think that was bad? Wait until a 530pm kick off a sunny bank hol wknd"




Shit.

I can look after myself - and very rarely feel threatened at "normal" games anyway as it is quite easy to avoid what little trouble does occur. However, when it comes to Wembley, like many I tend to sit with family. This - added to the fact that you can't choose who you sit near - is a recipe for problems. We ended up sitting next to a large group of early 20s pissed up lads who could not accept that not everyone wanted to stand and sing for the entire 90 minutes - which led to several exchanges. Fortunately it did not come to violence but I did feel on edge as I was concerned for my wife and young son in particular.

I do think the club need to look at selling tickets separately for different groups next time we get to Wembley i.e. family area, "singing (totally pissed) area" etc

 

[GB10]

In my career I can't think of a single week when I've put in 100% effort every single minute of every single day and I like to think I'm a grafter. It's human nature. Some of the bile that is spilled by some SUFC fans is off the scale. Are we giving 100% every game?

Do you get paid ridiculous amounts of money to do something you love ???
I do not condone the abuse even so

 

[Grappler]

I have never, and will never, boo Sheffield United, either at half time, or full time. I do, however, admit to groaning (usually to my missus, who is 100% Blade, season ticket holder and goes with me to the games) when we do something wrong continually, which this season includes things like endlessley hoofing balls up field to a lone striker, like Matty Done, who has to contend with some huge central defenders. Hoofing balls into midfield, where we have no chance of winning a ball in the air, due to the height of our players, and some players not showing any grit, and being knocked off the ball and generally out muscled.

The first half yesterday was very poor, the second half was an improvement and we were the most likely team to pull out a winner.

From where we were sat (row L), it looked like a gust of wind had curved the second goal past Howard, watching on Blades player, it looks more like Howard reacting too late (which he has done a few times in recent games). So not sure which it was.

Holt's goall redeemed him, but up to that point, he was knocked off every single ball, poor old Flynny was hacked down a few times, and with his knockes in recent weeks, I hope no damage was done. Once again, Big Steven Davies showed some (positive) aggression when he came on.

McNulty's work rate was not great, nothing like Done or Davies, but maybe that is just the way he plays.

If we can stayi in the top six, and play the same side (if fit) that played at Oakwell, and gave Barnsley an absolute football lesson, we can wiin the play offs.

UTB

 

[Silent Blade]

There you go: remember The abuse dished out at home to Boro, Millwall, Carlisle and Fulham ( and we won the last 2 games!)?

The idea that we were a more tolerant bunch then is a myth.

I was a part time Blade in the 1980s until we appointed Bassett. What I remember about that season (I went to about half the home games and the only away match I went was at Huddersfield) was that the team was nicknamed "The Dad's Army", we had a strange mixture of good wins against teams that finished in top half of the table and poor defeats against teams in the bottom half, low attendances, fans shouts of "Porterfield out" was louder than in the previous three seasons, fans writing to the Green Un criticising Porterfield but I do not remember if any of the players that season were constantly singled out for criticism (If so, then who were they?)

 

[blade too long]

footballers I was surprised to find out are human beings

as such they have good days , they have bad days

Ive seen Ronaldo miss open goals , and hit shots 20 yard above a bar

Ive seen niesta misplace a pass that cost Barcelona a game and Messi miss a penalty

I think its totally unfair to expect our ten bob players to be 100% perfect in every 90 minutes they play
Until we start using mistake free robots to play football we will get the odd bit of dross
commensurate with the quality of players we have

After a slow start we are gathering a pace as a team and as such individuals are playing better, and will be an unstoppable machine in May ,
If it works to the handbook guide

 

[wizadry]

footballers I was surprised to find out are human beings

as such they have good days , they have bad days

Ive seen Ronaldo miss open goals , and hit shots 20 yard above a bar

Ive seen niesta misplace a pass that cost Barcelona a game and Messi miss a penalty

I think its totally unfair to expect our ten bob players to be 100% perfect in every 90 minutes they play
Until we start using mistake free robots to play football we will get the odd bit of dross
commensurate with the quality of players we have

After a slow start we are gathering a pace as a team and as such individuals are playing better, and will be an unstoppable machine in May ,
If it works to the handbook guide

Yesterday we weren't giving 100% effort in the first half, this is not acceptable. All our fans want is maximum effort to the best of their ability and to me they haven't given that on a number of occasions this season including yesterday, no where near.

'Btw', you don't like our fans slagging the players or manager off, then go on to say we have ten bob players. If only that was true mate, we might lower our expectations.

 

[anglian blade]

This can't be right? I thought the only moaners were at home matches?!?

No definitely not - I go to more away games than home games and one of the more depressing aspects is the negativity that seems to have increased over the last 10 or 20 years. Not sure if its the economic climate in Sheffield that has caused it but its not fun being surrounded by a bunch of whingers

 

[HillmortonBlade]

No definitely not - I go to more away games than home games and one of the more depressing aspects is the negativity that seems to have increased over the last 10 or 20 years. Not sure if its the economic climate in Sheffield that has caused it but its not fun being surrounded by a bunch of whingers

I have to believe it's something to do with what Lord Bos said earlier...

We live in a society of jam today not tomorrow

I don't think, from experience, it's a "Blades" thing, rather it's endemic across football, demonstrated by the ridiculous turn-over of managers across the divisions.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

True. If all the United players 'put in 100%', what if the opposition also 'put in 100%'? Can't all be winners.

What if a point gets you up and a point saves the opposition from relegation?

 

[bartman]

We were actually talking about creating goal chances and getting men into the final third, at least I was. To my mind that is worthy debate on a fans forum . I think it is the biggest single weakness all season. Looking back it was out of place on this thread.

If my posts are interpreted as you state " gutted if we play well" and "sad" then I regret that, I believe I am as big a Blade as the next fan and have supported them through thick and thin over centuries it seems like. You should sit near me at games and take a view whether I am behind the team.

For you to say what you did and to get 3 "likes" makes me think a bit to be honest. What is the point of a forum if you don't post what you think and believe?

Surely at the end of the day a balance is struck between us all and that is the genuine value we create between us.

In my view Clough has too many weaknesses and has made too many mistakes throughout this season; we are nowhere near where we should be. Personally I think I am right to point out those areas because at this point in time I don't think he'll take the club forward well enough. I do air all my concerns and wish I didn't have any, like last season.

If we go up I fear our manager will be exposed all the more. BTW I do think we'll sneak up and sincerely hope we do as I had a big bet on us at the beginning of the season when I thought we were certainties.

On reflection I may have been overly harsh with my comments and I apologise. I can see the faults in Clough and the team the same as anyone but for me some fans just jump on Clough (and certain players) when things don't go as we wish yet appear reluctant at times to acknowledge a good performance.
For example fans where blaming Clough at the game yesterday when the players made errors and called for subs to be made. The same fans then moaned when we made two subs at half time as he didn't bring their preferred players on. They didn't even clap when we scored let alone cheer.

I don't think if we go up Clough would be exposed as he kept Derby in that division and McClaren is currently showing how difficult it us to get out of the Championship. My criticisms of Clough are not sorting the centre half position early and having a team that doesn't play on the front foot for more than half a game at a time.

The ludicrous situation of some fans calling for Clough to be sacked with 6 games to go just shows some haven't learned the lessons of the past.
If we don't go up, and bearing in mind the budget he has, the autos are the only target next season. If we go up, mid table would be fine in the first season back.

 

[oldblade]

What do all you superfans do when the players arent putting it in ?
Just so the rest of us whingers know how to behave

Football is a tough sport and sometimes the detached cosseted pampered little babys need to know that the fans who support them and pay their hard earned money to go and watch them acrually give a shit unlike them
seems to me that to expect the players to try for 90 mins or even for more than two full games is some kind of unrealistic expectation that the council estate pond dwellers from sheffield shouldnt have the right to expect and so what if some of the language they use to express this is a bit unsavoury if you dont like it go to the fucking opera where everyone behaves like a gentleman or a lady

Im sure the players dont give a shit what the fans think of them if they did they would put a shift on from the moment they run out of the tinnel and not when they are 2 down at oldham with the manager reminding them of their responsibilitys

Playing badly does not necessarily mean a player isn't trying.

 

[sitwell]

Look at Gareth Bale at Real Madrid. One of the most gifted players on the planet ,had a few off games ,now the fans are on his back and he has gone to shit when in a Madrid shirt. His confidence is shot and it doesn't how much you pay a player you cant buy confidence ,yet put a Wales shirt on him and he suddenly becomes World class again. Supporters can make or break a team and I see a nervous team playing at Bramall Lane.

 

[oldblade]

It's been said so many times before on here but with FFP rules and the difference between our average crowd and the 2nd highest ( about two thirds of ours) ... We should be doing much better than what we are and by that I mean doing a Bristol city on this league.
If my expectations are too high then feel free to shoot me down
However where I am sure expectations don't differ and this will bring me back to the OP of whingers..
1) I expect 100 percent effort every single week from every single player for every single minute of the game
2) I expect from pro footballers at least some elements of quality - and at least the simple things done well
3) I expect that training all week will provide results from set plays etc .
4) we really played entertaining football and went for it a bit more ( second half at Oldham eg)

Yes it's league 1 and no we don't have household names... But my own view is that if we could say honestly that we had a "yes" to all 4of the above and it still didn't work out ... There would be a lot less whingeing ... Not none , but less !!

Not sure about that.

In 2002-3 expectations were not high at the start of the season. Many pundits thought we would be nearer the relegation places than the promotion places.
But we reached two cup semi finals and a play off final, beating several premier league teams along the way and consistently played some of the best football seen at The Lane for many years. And yet incredibly, in spite of that, when we had a relatively short lived wobble in February there were several posters on the old BU forum insisting that Warnock must be sacked in order to save the season!

A numpty is a numpty and always will be a numpty regardless of how well we play.

 

[judge]

You just don't get it do you ? The clue is in 'supporter' and giving us an advantage rather than the opposition.

so if we were all as good fans as you we would be in champions league every year ?

 

[alcoblade]

I'm really bored with people slagging off Clough and the team every time we suffer a minor setback.

So am I. But I am quite regularly critical of Clough too.

UTB

 

[judge]

footballers I was surprised to find out are human beings

as such they have good days , they have bad days

Ive seen Ronaldo miss open goals , and hit shots 20 yard above a bar

Ive seen niesta misplace a pass that cost Barcelona a game and Messi miss a penalty

I think its totally unfair to expect our ten bob players to be 100% perfect in every 90 minutes they play
Until we start using mistake free robots to play football we will get the odd bit of dross
commensurate with the quality of players we have

After a slow start we are gathering a pace as a team and as such individuals are playing better, and will be an unstoppable machine in May ,
If it works to the handbook guide

Do you ever feel any negative emotions watching your team ? Or do you burn a lighter under the palm of your hand whenever you think nasty thoughts ?

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

That's not how I see it: that's how it was.

And how it's always been: if they play badly, some people boo.

I for one am really bored with people slagging off fellow supporters who have the temerity not to agree 100% with what Clough and the club do, or express displeasure when the team plays poorly. There's some excellent debate on this board but it's spoiled by this whinging.

Constructive criticism is fine, and should be welcomed. And some of what the fans have been discussing has obviously also been identified and worked on by the team.

What is not helpful is self-indulgent counterproductive abuse of the team or players. There is way top much of that.

Step forward the bloke in front of me yesterday moaning on repeatedly about Sunday League football, channels, and giving Howard constant grief.

 

[The Bohemian]

I used to watch Maidenhead United now and again when I lived down there and will never forget a players dad smacking a fan for calling his son a useless twat or something similar.

As I was leaving the ground at the end of the game the committee were stood on the terrace busy discussing what they were going to do about the incident.

Got me thinking about a very amusing incident witnessed by a mate at a Sheffield FC match a few years back.

It was a Sheffield FC v Woodley FA Cup tie and one of the Woodley substitutes was sent off from the bench having got into some verbals with a supporter. As he headed off, the Woodley player inadvisably continued his exchange of verbals with the brawny Sheffield FC supporter, at which point the supporter picked up a large waste bin and tipped it over his head - pie remains, bovril cups, rainwater, tab ends - the lot! Even worse, for the player concerned, he found himself wedged inside the bin, so was walking around with it stuck over his head and upper body with the contents dropping out around his ankles. You couldn't make it up.


http://www.offthepost.info/blog/201...fc-fan-who-tipped-bin-over-opposition-player/

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

You remember when we were really shit? I do - it was in the 1st half at Oldham yesterday.

4th season in L1.....miles behind the top 2. Yes, we have had worse teams - but not many in our 125 year history.

I agree there is a gulf between the team/manager and the fans at the moment - but I think that is more down to far too many poor / negative performances this season than anything else.

*Some fans*

I think it's a great time to be a Blade for all sorts of reasons.

The club and the manager have my wholehearted support.

I may reassess support for the management if we don't progress next season, but for now for me it's as good a time to be Blade as any in all my time supporting the club.

And I'm really glad to be able to bring along Foulkes Jr Sr to something well worth supporting.

We have a long term plan in place for the club. The approach is as good as it could be. I hope it pays off. It might not, but the club has my full support in what it is trying to do at the moment.

UTB

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Got me thinking about a very amusing incident witnessed by a mate at a Sheffield FC match a few years back.

It was a Sheffield FC v Woodley FA Cup tie and one of the Woodley substitutes was sent off from the bench having got into some verbals with a supporter. As he headed off, the Woodley player inadvisably continued his exchange of verbals with the brawny Sheffield FC supporter, at which point the supporter picked up a large waste bin and tipped it over his head - pie remains, bovril cups, rainwater, tab ends - the lot! Even worse, for the player concerned, he found himself wedged inside the bin, so was walking around with it stuck over his head and upper body with the contents dropping out around his ankles. You couldn't make it up.


http://www.offthepost.info/blog/201...fc-fan-who-tipped-bin-over-opposition-player/

Don't give people ideas!

 

[JohnDenver]

So am I. But I am quite regularly critical of Clough too.

UTB

Yeah but you're not entrenched in your views, and you don't revel in negativity as is it confers some sort of great wisdom.

It's all about how criticism is done.

 

[Woodwardfan]

On reflection I may have been overly harsh with my comments and I apologise. I can see the faults in Clough and the team the same as anyone but for me some fans just jump on Clough (and certain players) when things don't go as we wish yet appear reluctant at times to acknowledge a good performance.
For example fans where blaming Clough at the game yesterday when the players made errors and called for subs to be made. The same fans then moaned when we made two subs at half time as he didn't bring their preferred players on. They didn't even clap when we scored let alone cheer.

I don't think if we go up Clough would be exposed as he kept Derby in that division and McClaren is currently showing how difficult it us to get out of the Championship. My criticisms of Clough are not sorting the centre half position early and having a team that doesn't play on the front foot for more than half a game at a time.

The ludicrous situation of some fans calling for Clough to be sacked with 6 games to go just shows some haven't learned the lessons of the past.
If we don't go up, and bearing in mind the budget he has, the autos are the only target next season. If we go up, mid table would be fine in the first season back.

Thanks for the apology, appreciated. I'm still pissed off with the three "likes" you got!!

 

[YES Blade]

for me it's as good a time to be Blade as any in all my time supporting the club.

How long have you been supporting United? Since Weir became manager?

 

[Lane Ender]

True. If all the United players 'put in 100%', what if the opposition also 'put in 100%'? Can't all be winners.

Most teams play well above themselves against us it's their cup final

 

[itsinyerblood]

I'm puzzled by the notion of a pre-arranged question

On reflection I may have been overly harsh with my comments and I apologise. I can see the faults in Clough and the team the same as anyone but for me some fans just jump on Clough (and certain players) when things don't go as we wish yet appear reluctant at times to acknowledge a good performance.
For example fans where blaming Clough at the game yesterday when the players made errors and called for subs to be made. The same fans then moaned when we made two subs at half time as he didn't bring their preferred players on. They didn't even clap when we scored let alone cheer.

I don't think if we go up Clough would be exposed as he kept Derby in that division and McClaren is currently showing how difficult it us to get out of the Championship. My criticisms of Clough are not sorting the centre half position early and having a team that doesn't play on the front foot for more than half a game at a time.

The ludicrous situation of some fans calling for Clough to be sacked with 6 games to go just shows some haven't learned the lessons of the past.
If we don't go up, and bearing in mind the budget he has, the autos are the only target next season. If we go up, mid table would be fine in the first season back.

I'll add to the thoughts about Clough if you don't mind bartman. So somebody considers Clough has faults? Well blow me down with a red and white feather!

The secret is finally out, our manager doesn't get everything right. We can't have that can we, I mean, we're the mighty SUFC, and we should be faultless in everything we do, including those posters who make contributions to this forum that reveal their own limited conclusion making. As things stand I believe that Clough's win rate is around the 50% mark. In professional football that's a decent percentage, which is why we're heading for the play-off's. I know that automatic promotion was missed, I really am, but without getting involved in a heated, complex, and probably subjective discussion about the why's and wherefores, this is where we are, and what matters now is that we support our team and don't behave so inward looking and hyper-critically.

Any supporter who says they want the Blades to win (I know, they wouldn't be a supporter otherwise) needs to be vocal and sincere when it comes to backing our players on matchday. Resorting to booing, cynical comments, or unwelcome commentary is about as stupid and unhelpful as I can think of. The term 12th man was never more necessary than now. It's our team we're talking about, so why not put aside any negative thoughts and provide the backing that'll contribute to their performance. Can it really be that difficult to get behind the team?

 

[Woodwardfan]

*Some fans*

I think it's a great time to be a Blade for all sorts of reasons.

The club and the manager have my wholehearted support.

I may reassess support for the management if we don't progress next season, but for now for me it's as good a time to be Blade as any in all my time supporting the club.

And I'm really glad to be able to bring along Foulkes Jr Sr to something well worth supporting.

We have a long term plan in place for the club. The approach is as good as it could be. I hope it pays off. It might not, but the club has my full support in what it is trying to do at the moment.

UTB

I so agree with what you say but my great disappointment is with the manager and his signings. I know, there I go again but it has been a massive wasted opportunity. Even if we sneak up we will not be in good shape for the Championship challenge. The Board has every right to be disappointed with the performances this season and so have the fans. Of course we have every right to whinge on here, more so than say booing at games though that is every paying fan's right too.

 

[wizadry]

I will reiterate that every Blade is 100% behind the team, the only problem is that if someone didn't criticise or voice their disapproval at certain things then we'd all be living in a fairytale or dreamland.

 

[sheffielder]

There could be something in it with the fans. I think it comes from how this season has developed. After the finish to last season including the semi final, many including myself were expecting top two. The season has been meh and a lot of the players brought in were squad players and didn't improve the 1st team squad until January at the earliest.

Rightly to some and wrongly clough stuck to his transfer policy and we are coming 'good' at the right time for some, however leaves us with the lottery of the play offs, whilst it's at the wrong time for a lot because we should have been going for top 2.