whingers

[Large Mendonca]

Having said that though, I don't condone the slagging off of players at games and do think it's counter-productive - i've never done it and never will. My lad has been to way more games than me this season, and he says the amount of abuse on the kop for slightly misplaced passes is getting ridiculous.

 

[IOM Blade]

People are just fed up at the prospect of another year in this dire league. We should be going up automatic this year. Yes, we are in the Play Offs, but we all know our record in that is awful, so it's looking like a fifth year in League One, which will be the longest stretch of any 'big club' in recent years.

Years in League One following relegation since 2000

1 Year - Leicester, Norwich, Wolves
2 Years - Pigs (x2), Southampton, Bristol City*
3 Years - QPR, Forest, Leeds, Charlton,
4 years - Preston*

*in all probability.

Even Donny, Scunny and Peterborough have been promoted after 1 year. The only similar(ish) sized teams with worse records are Bradford and Portsmouth.

Sorry yeah, our fifth next year and PNE up in four. For some reason last season vanished from memory!

 

[DazBlade88]

we are in the Play Offs, but we all know our record in that is awful, so it's looking like a forth year in League One

I'll not bother buying my tickets now then

I agree that it would be embarrassing if we were in this league for a fifth year, but can we all stop talking about the playoffs as if they're impossible to win? I'll repeat what I said yesterday... Fuck the history and look forward to attempting to win a playoff final.

 

[Silent Blade]

Given the above it really does show up the argument that our fans are especially 'impatient' as utterly ridiculous.

No, many of them do not understand how difficult it can be when playing against teams who park the bus!! Also many dont understand how difficult it is to buy success

 

[JJ Sefton]

No, many of them do not understand how difficult it can be when playing against teams who park the bus!!

And yet most other teams seemed to have sussed it out much quicker than we have managed to.

 

[blade too long]

And yet most other teams seemed to have sussed it out much quicker than we have managed to.

whos that then

Bristol city swindon preston and mk dons all had longer to put squads together.

 

[JJ Sefton]

whos that then

Bristol city swindon preston and mk dons all had longer to put squads together.

People are just fed up at the prospect of another year in this dire league. We should be going up automatic this year. Yes, we are in the Play Offs, but we all know our record in that is awful, so it's looking like a forth year in League One, which will be the longest stretch of any 'big club' in recent years.

Years in League One following relegation since 2000

1 Year - Leicester, Norwich, Wolves
2 Years - Pigs (x2), Southampton, Bristol City*
3 Years - QPR, Forest, Leeds, Charlton, Preston*

*in all probability.

Even Donny, Scunny and Peterborough have been promoted after 1 year. The only similar(ish) sized teams with worse records are Bradford and Portsmouth.

 

[Revolution]

whos that then

Bristol city swindon preston and mk dons all had longer to put squads together.

Longer from when?

 

[Large Mendonca]

Sounds to me like it depends on which bus is being parked

 

[Cyprus Blade]

In our case it would be a mini bus

 

[wizadry]

We all want to be entertained , but its a team game , , some days you see great individual efferts and then , when it all comes together you see a fully thrilling team effort, but Ive been watching football since 1962 /3 and come to realise if you get 10 of those in a season you are lucky. Even the best teams in the world cant manage it, Man Utd have got better results this season , but have they been entertaining , only once or twice.
They have taken till 4 or 5 games ago to look something like and they have every resource possible but their fans will admit , its not been high on entertainment until LVG s planning comes to fruition. How we are expected to become fluent and easy on the eye in less time with poorer players is baffling to me

We had fans in here moaning about United only having 11 shots on target in one game ,Chesea had 2 on saturday v QPR,were they entertaining , no they were gathering points, and thats what we are concentrating on just now.

Irrespective of everything said every league has their big guns in it, the ones who in theory should have more resources leading to having more pulling power meaning better players in their respective leagues, i class us as one of those clubs. Now if we don't manage to go up Clough will have questions to be asked and answered. Lets not go there yet, lets see if he can do what we set out to do and that is get promotion. Although top two is what the club was after, i'll certainly settle for promotion through our nemesis as will every single Blade out there.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

We all want to be entertained , but its a team game , , some days you see great individual efferts and then , when it all comes together you see a fully thrilling team effort, but Ive been watching football since 1962 /3 and come to realise if you get 10 of those in a season you are lucky. Even the best teams in the world cant manage it, Man Utd have got better results this season , but have they been entertaining , only once or twice.
They have taken till 4 or 5 games ago to look something like and they have every resource possible but their fans will admit , its not been high on entertainment until LVG s planning comes to fruition. How we are expected to become fluent and easy on the eye in less time with poorer players is baffling to me

We had fans in here moaning about United only having 11 shots on target in one game ,Chesea had 2 on saturday v QPR,were they entertaining , no they were gathering points, and thats what we are concentrating on just now.

People's "entertainment" demands are different now.
We used to see one game a week, plus maybe a few highlights if you made it back from the pub in time. So you enjoyed your team's game whatever the outcome.
Now we have saturation coverage. You can easily watch five to ten games a week involving all the superstars.
How's a League 1 Hoof-fest going to be entertaining after you just watched El Classico?

 

[JJ Sefton]

Just done some back-of-a-fag-packet stuff.

Since 2003-2004, there have been 33 relegations from the second tier to the third.

36% of those side have been relegated from the third tier subsequently. 42% have been promoted back to the second tier without an intervening stint in the fourth.

None of these teams have been relegated after spending more then three seasons in the third tier. So we're safe.

45% of the 33 have subsequently returned to the second tier. 55%, obviously, haven't.

The average time to return is 2.6 seasons.

Only three of the returned sides have returned after spending longer or as long in the third tier as Sheffield United - We are currently in our fourth season which matches Millwall's stint post 2006. If we are here again next season we will match Brighton's post 2006 stint. We are some way short of Rotherham's 9 year route back post-2005.

Of the other teams which have returned...

After 3 years - Forest, Leeds, Charlton
After 2 years - Southampton, Pigs, Bristol City (assuming they're up this season)
After 1 year - Leicester, Scunthorpe, Norwich, Peterborough, Doncaster, Wolves

 

[YES Blade]

whos that then

Bristol city swindon preston and mk dons all had longer to put squads together.

Clough was appointed before Bristol City appointed Cotterill.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

People's "entertainment" demands are different now.
We used to see one game a week, plus maybe a few highlights if you made it back from the pub in time. So you enjoyed your team's game whatever the outcome.
Now we have saturation coverage. You can easily watch five to ten games a week involving all the superstars.
How's a League 1 Hoof-fest going to be entertaining after you just watched El Classico?

Just fine. I watched el Clasico or whatever ludicrous hype-nonsense title is grovellingly bestowed upon it by an idolising media, and in large parts it was shite. With diving and rolling and whingeing and moaning featuring prominently throughout.

There were spectacular flashes of brilliance but generally it was turgid.

(Similarly how often is a World Cup final any good? Or any big match. Not often.)

Same reason I find Division 1 unwatchable.

Generally I'm impressed with the standard of fair play - with notable exceptions, in Division 3.

(I do recognise teams have come to the Lane to share fouls out and stop.us playing that way.)

I thought it was really noticeable when Southampton came and started having cry baby tantrums all over the pitch - and on the bench.

To be fair Spurs did nothing of the sort so it's not all Division 1.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Just done some back-of-a-fag-packet stuff.

Since 2003-2004, there have been 33 relegations from the second tier to the third.

36% of those side have been relegated from the third tier subsequently. 42% have been promoted back to the second tier without an intervening stint in the fourth.

None of these teams have been relegated after spending more then three seasons in the third tier. So we're safe.

45% of the 33 have subsequently returned to the second tier. 55%, obviously, haven't.

The average time to return is 2.6 seasons.

Only three of the returned sides have returned after spending longer or as long in the third tier as Sheffield United - We are currently in our fourth season which matches Millwall's stint post 2006. If we are here again next season we will match Brighton's post 2006 stint. We are some way short of Rotherham's 9 year route back post-2005.

Of the other teams which have returned...

After 3 years - Forest, Leeds, Charlton
After 2 years - Southampton, Pigs, Bristol City (assuming they're up this season)
After 1 year - Leicester, Scunthorpe, Norwich, Peterborough, Doncaster, Wolves

Absolutely classic. And a great relief that I'm not the only one trawling through records to produce spreadsheets.

UTB

 

[Cyprus Blade]

I found an interesting piece whilst surfing. Its SUFC's advice to supporters written in 1907 - What's that saying - ah yes - "the more things change, the more they stay the same"

" It's quite probable that if you could travel back in time you would find that football supporters of today would have a lot in common with the fans of a century or more ago. Judging by a list of 'Don'ts for Spectators' printed in a 1907 Sheffield United programme fans on the terraces then had the same things on their minds as we have now. But I just can't imagine anyone wasting space in a modern programme trying to stop us having our say!

What they had to say in 1907.....

“Don’t think because you are on the stand you have a right to shout instructions to players. They know what to do without any assistance from you.

Don’t boo at the referee because he gives a decision which you think is wrong. He has his opinion as to what happened, and his opinion is surely worth as much as yours.

Don’t make yourself a nuisance to those around you by continually bellowing at the top of your voice, it gets on peoples nerves and takes away a lot of the enjoyment of the game, besides making yourself look ridiculous.

Don’t commence shouting ‘Send him off’ if one of the opposing team happens to commit a foul on one of your pet players. Would you shout the same thing if the positions were reversed, and one of your own side had committed the offence?

Don’t snap your neighbours nose off because he thinks differently to you. You have come to see your side win, and he has perhaps come to see the others.

Don’t get excited and bad tempered when you argue about this player and that. It does no good in the end, and only breeds bad feeling, and spoils your enjoyment of the game”

from
http://www.footballsite.co.uk/Statistics/Articles/DidYouKnow24.htm

 

[blade too long]

Longer from when?

well bristol city been investing for 3 years mk dons had robinson for 4 years building it up swindon investing for 4 years , best home record of all league one clubs and preston just 4 months longer

when clough came his remit was to save us from relegation , not work us promotion
how quickly people forget
we only started really in august and couldbt get the players we needed , bristol city had 6 months start on us
preston mk dons and swindon all pretty much had their squads together
we were starting way back by comparison

Bristol city had the players in place apart from AGARD when Ctteril took over
we relied on several loans to stay up ,and couldnt get them in august, it hamstrung our chances

 

[blade too long]

People's "entertainment" demands are different now.
We used to see one game a week, plus maybe a few highlights if you made it back from the pub in time. So you enjoyed your team's game whatever the outcome.
Now we have saturation coverage. You can easily watch five to ten games a week involving all the superstars.
How's a League 1 Hoof-fest going to be entertaining after you just watched El Classico?

yes theres plenty of football available on the channels now

which bolsters my point , because 80 % on live is utter bollocks , some games on tv should be prosecuted as entertainment ,
of 25 games Ive had avaialbe to me on sky goltn canal plus bt theres been some games that make us look like top class entertainment

I actually stayed in to watch qpr v chelsea thats 2 hours of my life wasted it was mind numbingly dull

 

[blade too long]

Clough was appointed before Bristol City appointed Cotterill.

and , the squad was there they looked good second half last season like us , but with their own players not loanees ergo 6 months ahead of us in development

 

[metalblade]

and , the squad was there they looked good second half last season like us , but with their own players not loanees ergo 6 months ahead of us in development

Bristol City Transfers
2014
COMPLETED INS FROM FEE
Kieran Agard Rotherham United Undisclosed
Luke Ayling Yeovil Town Undisclosed
Wade Elliott Birmingham City Free
Luke Freeman Stevenage Undisclosed
Mark Little Peterborough United Free
George Saville Wolverhampton Wanderers Loan
Korey Smith Oldham Athletic Undisclosed
James Tavernier Wigan Athletic Loan
Aaron Wilbraham Crystal Palace Free

All the above joined Bristol City after June 2014 you really do talk utter utter bollocks

 

[metalblade]

While we are on the subject of whingers FH on radio pig was quite lively tonight with pig fans arguing between themselves as it seems their big lump of a striker missed an open goal from 3 yards at the weekend and received dogs abuse for it. I do agree with one caller saying certain players should not be singled out for abuse as it does no good. I don't have a problem with fans booing at half time or full time the manager and players need to know in no uncertain terms if their display is not up to expected standards. Tonight's FH just illustrates it is not just Sheff U fans that moan and groan the same happens at half the grounds in the league every weekend we are no worse or better than any other club.

 

[blade too long]

Bristol City Transfers
2014
COMPLETED INS FROM FEE
Kieran Agard Rotherham United Undisclosed
Luke Ayling Yeovil Town Undisclosed
Wade Elliott Birmingham City Free
Luke Freeman Stevenage Undisclosed
Mark Little Peterborough United Free
George Saville Wolverhampton Wanderers Loan
Korey Smith Oldham Athletic Undisclosed
James Tavernier Wigan Athletic Loan
Aaron Wilbraham Crystal Palace Free

All the above joined Bristol City after June 2014 you really do talk utter utter bollocks

they added to their squad but 4 of those had been on loan
before

Bristol City Transfers
2014
COMPLETED INS FROM FEE
Kieran Agard Rotherham United Undisclosed
Luke Ayling Yeovil Town Undisclosed
Wade Elliott Birmingham City Free
Luke Freeman Stevenage Undisclosed
Mark Little Peterborough United Free
George Saville Wolverhampton Wanderers Loan
Korey Smith Oldham Athletic Undisclosed
James Tavernier Wigan Athletic Loan
Aaron Wilbraham Crystal Palace Free

All the above joined Bristol City after June 2014 you really do talk utter utter bollocks

in fact that roves my point bristol had time to weigh lup their needs .and get the players they were after in the close season .the players we chased we didnt get till january and then we whipoed their asses at their place.its squads not individuals .city needed 8 to finish their squad we have brought in 15

 

[metalblade]

Clough appointed 23 October 2013
Cotterill appointed on 3 December 2013
He has been with Bristol less time than Clough has had with us to as you say "Weigh up his needs" maybe if Clough had done what he has we we would be in the top two rather than scrabbling to get in the play off's ......................................... do try harder

 

[JJ Sefton]

well bristol city been investing for 3 years

We can down to this division in 2011. Bristol City came down to it in 2013.

 

[blade too long]

We can down to this division in 2011. Bristol City came down to it in 2013.

But got new owners as they came down..like us it diidnt happen for them instantly .you dont get money one day then win every gsme , ssk sheff weds.they sre supposedly minnted now but are they any better yet

 

[Northyorksblade]

Clough appointed 23 October 2013
Cotterill appointed on 3 December 2013
He has been with Bristol less time than Clough has had with us to as you say "Weigh up his needs" maybe if Clough had done what he has we we would be in the top two rather than scrabbling to get in the play off's ......................................... do try harder

SIgh!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JJ Sefton]

.like us it diidnt happen for them instantly .

It's happened for them in at least half the time its happened for us.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

It's happened for them in at least half the time its happened for us.

Which ever way you look at it or whatever spin you put on it , Bristol City management and board have been more savvy , active and professional than us , in timing and player recruitment . Whether its down to finances , management or scouting , the league table doesn't lie and is a accurate , factual barometer of a clubs success . In this respect we are sadly lacking , bearing in mind Bristol are in a building stage , both infrastructure , board , and playing staff like us.

UTB

 

[JJ Sefton]

Which ever way you look at it or whatever spin you put on it , Bristol City management and board have been more savvy , active and professional than us , in timing and player recruitment . Whether its down to finances , management or scouting , the league table doesn't lie and is a accurate , factual barometer of a clubs success . In this respect we are sadly lacking , bearing in mind Bristol are in a building stage , both infrastructure , board , and playing staff like us.

UTB

Indeed. The idea that we must be patient because we are embarked upon some epic Tolkein-like quest to get promotion which we can't possibly expect to take less than a century is balls.