whingers

[Rodders]

Do you think players have a bad game on purpose?

Depends if their transfer request has been accepted or not.

 

[blade too long]

How on earth have you hard wired criticism on here with that given at a game? I've been fairly critical on here of late and never do it at a gAme

It's quite possible you know, even outside the utopian la la land you exist in.

UTB

Not just in here.there.twats like brian the blade under mining our every move. Constant use of the term negative nigel when its negative fans letting any in game set back be a cue to be abusive.we could so nearly have won it yesterday. To say social medua comments dont transfer to the terraces is being utterly blinkered.once its took yo the pub its brought up and I have heard it all in the Scholar or any other pub pre game.and after a few bevvies on the terraces

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

We are in general agreement but I can't go with this.

I am a Morrison's customer and a B&Q customer etc but I am a United supporter and still would be if my season ticket was for the Northern Counties East League whereas I would happily change brands in any other part of my life.

If the general feeling is that supporters are also customers it's no wonder that football has lost it's soul

Yes , thats why i had a season ticket and saw every game home and away in that great season in the 4th Division and had one ever since . We cant get away from the fact that football is a consumer driven business ( sky and bt ) and you are correct football has lost its soul , and higher up the leagues you go imo , the worst it gets.

UTB

 

[Fulwood Blade]

I hope we get to wembley so we can all beat the living shit out of each other again.

yes, that was sad.
Was close to some on my row and the idiot that refused to sit down 8 rows in front causing a right issue was just stupid.

just think..........even MORE drinking time with a 5.30pm kickoff

UTB

 

[Maidenhead]

Yes , thats why i had a season ticket and saw every game home and away in that great season in the 4th Division and had one ever since . We cant get away from the fact that football is a consumer driven business ( sky and bt ) and you are correct football has lost its soul , and higher up the leagues you go imo , the worst it gets.

UTB

Sounds like we are of the same generation and similar opinion.

Been a pleasure exchanging views.

UTB

 

[sitwell]

What do all you superfans do when the players arent putting it in ?
Just so the rest of us whingers know how to behave

Football is a tough sport and sometimes the detached cosseted pampered little babys need to know that the fans who support them and pay their hard earned money to go and watch them acrually give a shit unlike them
seems to me that to expect the players to try for 90 mins or even for more than two full games is some kind of unrealistic expectation that the council estate pond dwellers from sheffield shouldnt have the right to expect and so what if some of the language they use to express this is a bit unsavoury if you dont like it go to the fucking opera where everyone behaves like a gentleman or a lady

Im sure the players dont give a shit what the fans think of them if they did they would put a shift on from the moment they run out of the tinnel and not when they are 2 down at oldham with the manager reminding them of their responsibilitys

You just don't get it do you ? The clue is in 'supporter' and giving us an advantage rather than the opposition.

 

[grafikhaus]

Do you think players have a bad game on purpose?

True. If all the United players 'put in 100%', what if the opposition also 'put in 100%'? Can't all be winners.

 

[Maidenhead]

Yes , thats why i had a season ticket and saw every game home and away in that great season in the 4th Division and had one ever since . We cant get away from the fact that football is a consumer driven business ( sky and bt ) and you are correct football has lost its soul , and higher up the leagues you go imo , the worst it gets.

UTB

Sounds like we are of the same generation and similar opinion.

Been a pleasure exchanging views.

UTB

And my memories of that day at Darlington show that to a true supporter it really doesn't matter what division we play our football in

UTB

 

[YES Blade]

We are in general agreement but I can't go with this.

I am a Morrison's customer and a B&Q customer etc but I am a United supporter and still would be if my season ticket was for the Northern Counties East League whereas I would happily change brands in any other part of my life.

If the general feeling is that supporters are also customers it's no wonder that football has lost it's soul

The big difference between football and supermarkets and DIY shops is viable alternatives.

If morrisons perform badly you'll soon start shopping at Tesco or Sainsburys, what can we do when United perform badly? Support another club? The emotional investment prevents this so many fans boo or shout as an alternative isn't there.

No one would boo or shout abuse at the manager of B&Q or go on the B&Q forum because you can go down the road to Homebase and you wouldn't give two shits if B&Q went bust.

 

[Maidenhead]

The big difference between football and supermarkets and DIY shops is viable alternatives.

If morrisons perform badly you'll soon start shopping at Tesco or Sainsburys, what can we do when United perform badly? Support another club? The emotional investment prevents this so many fans boo or shout as an alternative isn't there.

No one would boo or shout abuse at the manager of B&Q or go on the B&Q forum because you can go down the road to Homebase and you wouldn't give two shits if B&Q went bust.

I remember when we were really shit, and I mean really shit.

We never used to boo the team then we just cheered and applauded on the rare ocassions we saw a great tackle or won a corner or put together a good move.

Not ironic cheers, supportive ones, or that's how it always seemed to me anyway.

It's partly the acceptance that it's ok to boo your team that has destroyed the soul of football and the cameraderie of the fans.

In the 70's and 80's it felt like we were all in it together. Today we all watch the same team

I

 

[YES Blade]

I remember when we were really shit, and I mean really shit.

We never used to boo the team then we just cheered and applauded on the rare ocassions we saw a great tackle or won a corner or put together a good move.

Not ironic cheers, supportive ones, or that's how it always seemed to me anyway.

It's partly the acceptance that it's ok to boo your team that has destroyed the soul of football and the cameraderie of the fans.

In the 70's and 80's it felt like we were all in it together. Today we all watch the same team

I

Times change and football is no different.

Obviously the money side of football has massively changed things. Maybe if ticket prices had risen at the rate of inflation since the 70s and 80s fans would be more tolerant.

But then players wages would be a lot less, so they can't have it both ways. I doubt any player would take a big cut in salary in exchange for supporters that don't boo or get on their backs.

 

[alcoblade]

Not just in here.there.twats like brian the blade under mining our every move. Constant use of the term negative nigel when its negative fans letting any in game set back be a cue to be abusive.we could so nearly have won it yesterday. To say social medua comments dont transfer to the terraces is being utterly blinkered.once its took yo the pub its brought up and I have heard it all in the Scholar or any other pub pre game.and after a few bevvies on the terraces

Eh? Do you need a moment?

You should address individual points, not make the sweeping generalisations that you hate so much when they go the other way.

There are some people that are completely negative and you wonder why they support the club.

There are those, like yourself, who have their head in the clouds regarding anything negative about the club.

There is the vast majority in between these poles.

I am addressing a single point here. To suggest that if you are critical on here it must mean that you get on the players backs during a game, is quite simply fucking ridiculous.

UTB

 

[blade too long]

Eh? Do you need a moment?

You should address individual points, not make the sweeping generalisations that you hate so much when they go the other way.


UTB

sweeping statements ? come mainly from the negative nigel set
its over now weve lost to crewe
any thought go into that , none whatsoever

the negative vibe is easy to back up , just drag up previous disappointments , theres plenty
but no mention of any good days

weve been poor all season , another classic
we didnt win at bristoñ city , that was totally eclipsed by the next loss
we beat swindon preston in january , but according to some youd never know , we are totally negative
no one mentions we are unbeaten away in ages

I make positive comments and get called a clapper , why it upsets the negatives take on being miserablñe twats 24 7
I apologise for SUPPORTING my team, even in defeat , but I had thought that was the gist
I criticise the team when we are poor , but and heres the point I then move on and get behind them , I dont live in the past

 

[alcoblade]

sweeping statements come mainly frpm the negative nigel set
its over now weve lost to crewe
any thought go into that , none whatsoever

the negative vibe is easy to back up , just drag up previous disappointments , theres plenty
but no mention of any good days

weve been poor all season , another classic
we didnt win at bristoñ city , that was totally eclipsed by the next loss
we beat swindon preston in january , but according to some youd never know , we are totally negative
no one mentions we are unbeaten away in ages

I make positive comments and get called a clapper , why it upsets the negatives take on being miserablñe twats 24 7
I apologise for SUPPORTING my team

I'll be quite impressed if you answer in the affirmative, but have you been on the sauce fella?



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[Woodwardfan]

My opinion is that it is not the end of the season and we still might go up. But then I don't look to criticise at every opportunity.

I also have the opinion that you are gutted if we play well and will still have a go at Clough no matter how well we do.Quite sad really.

We were actually talking about creating goal chances and getting men into the final third, at least I was. To my mind that is worthy debate on a fans forum . I think it is the biggest single weakness all season. Looking back it was out of place on this thread.

If my posts are interpreted as you state " gutted if we play well" and "sad" then I regret that, I believe I am as big a Blade as the next fan and have supported them through thick and thin over centuries it seems like. You should sit near me at games and take a view whether I am behind the team.

For you to say what you did and to get 3 "likes" makes me think a bit to be honest. What is the point of a forum if you don't post what you think and believe?

Surely at the end of the day a balance is struck between us all and that is the genuine value we create between us.

In my view Clough has too many weaknesses and has made too many mistakes throughout this season; we are nowhere near where we should be. Personally I think I am right to point out those areas because at this point in time I don't think he'll take the club forward well enough. I do air all my concerns and wish I didn't have any, like last season.

If we go up I fear our manager will be exposed all the more. BTW I do think we'll sneak up and sincerely hope we do as I had a big bet on us at the beginning of the season when I thought we were certainties.

 

[blade too long]

I'll be quite impressed if you answer in the affirmative, but have you been on the sauce fella?



UTB

being positive is being forward thinking being negative is living in the past , wallow in it if you desire
I want to be part of our future , whats being built now not constantly dragging up the old shit that does nobody any good

I enjoy the odd drink its better than the handful of mogadons the depressive clic take

 

[blade too long]

instead of negative , positives,
2nd in form table unbeaten away in months

http://www.footballformguide.net/form/sky-bet-league-1

lets get in the play offs and carry on the results

 

[Revolution]

I remember when we were really shit, and I mean really shit.

We never used to boo the team then we just cheered and applauded on the rare ocassions we saw a great tackle or won a corner or put together a good move.

Not ironic cheers, supportive ones, or that's how it always seemed to me anyway.

It's partly the acceptance that it's ok to boo your team that has destroyed the soul of football and the cameraderie of the fans.

In the 70's and 80's it felt like we were all in it together. Today we all watch the same team

I

This is not true. I attended regularly in the early 1980s and the team, board and manager were subject to booing and abuse arguably much worse than today. By way if example, there has been nothing this season to compare to the abuse the team and Porterfield took in 1985-6.

 

[Maidenhead]

e 70

This is not true. I attended regularly in the early 1980s and the team, board and manager were subject to booing and abuse arguably much worse than today. By way if example, there has been nothing this season to compare to the abuse the team and Porterfield took in 1985-6.

maybe my memories are tainted by my positive attitude to life and my red and white glasses then if that's how you see it

 

[Revolution]

e 70

maybe my memories are tainted by my positive attitude to life and my red and white glasses then if that's how you see it

That's not how I see it: that's how it was.

And how it's always been: if they play badly, some people boo.

I for one am really bored with people slagging off fellow supporters who have the temerity not to agree 100% with what Clough and the club do, or express displeasure when the team plays poorly. There's some excellent debate on this board but it's spoiled by this whinging.

 

[Maidenhead]

That's not how I see it: that's how it was.

And how it's always been: if they play badly, some people boo.

I for one am really bored with people slagging off fellow supporters who have the temerity not to agree 100% with what Clough and the club do, or express displeasure when the team plays poorly. There's some excellent debate on this board but it's spoiled by this whinging.

2 sides to every arguement but obviously you are convinced that you are right and I am wriong about the 70's and 80's

I'm really bored with people slagging off Clough and the team avery time we suffer a minor setback.

Guess we just have to agree to disagree

 

[HillmortonBlade]

I watch a bit of non-league football (glutton for punishment) and the quality is poor, but the 100-200 fans watching don't get on the backs of the players for making mistakes, because the level they are playing at means that the expectation levels are lower. My expectation levels for our team is that they should play to a higher standard, but are my expectations too high? It's Division 1 standards. There's also the fact that you will be standing a few feet away from the player at a non-league ground and he'll probably remember your face in the car park outside. It's easier to get at a player when it's anonymous in a crowd or behind a keyboard.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

It's easier to get at a player when it's anonymous in a crowd or behind a keyboard.

Or a manager, or another poster on this forum. I wonder whether the Clappers V Whingers debate will ever be resolved. I hope so.

 

[Maidenhead]

I watch a bit of non-league football (glutton for punishment) and the quality is poor, but the 100-200 fans watching don't get on the backs of the players for making mistakes, because the level they are playing at means that the expectation levels are lower. My expectation levels for our team is that they should play to a higher standard, but are my expectations too high? It's Division 1 standards. There's also the fact that you will be standing a few feet away from the player at a non-league ground and he'll probably remember your face in the car park outside. It's easier to get at a player when it's anonymous in a crowd or behind a keyboard.

I used to watch Maidenhead United now and again when I lived down there and will never forget a players dad smacking a fan for calling his son a useless twat or something similar.

As I was leaving the ground at the end of the game the committee were stood on the terrace busy discussing what they were going to do about the incident.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

I used to watch Maidenhead United now and again when I lived down there and will never forget a players dad smacking a fan for calling his son a useless twat or something similar.

As I was leaving the ground at the end of the game the committee were stood on the terrace busy discussing what they were going to do about the incident.

I watch my local side every so often. Imagine if your best player and top goal scorer left your team while you were near the top of the division and side for the big team who were currently top. We all know the reception they would have next time the teams played. Bit different when his dad is stood beside you. Having said that, I've never encouraged HB Jnr to go for his refereeing badges as I am positive I could not take listening to junior football managers abusing him as they do others.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

I remember when we were really shit, and I mean really shit.

We never used to boo the team then we just cheered and applauded on the rare ocassions we saw a great tackle or won a corner or put together a good move.

Not ironic cheers, supportive ones, or that's how it always seemed to me anyway.

It's partly the acceptance that it's ok to boo your team that has destroyed the soul of football and the cameraderie of the fans.

In the 70's and 80's it felt like we were all in it together. Today we all watch the same team

I

You remember when we were really shit? I do - it was in the 1st half at Oldham yesterday.

4th season in L1.....miles behind the top 2. Yes, we have had worse teams - but not many in our 125 year history.

I agree there is a gulf between the team/manager and the fans at the moment - but I think that is more down to far too many poor / negative performances this season than anything else.

 

[Rodley]

That's not how I see it: that's how it was.

And how it's always been: if they play badly, some people boo.

I for one am really bored with people slagging off fellow supporters who have the temerity not to agree 100% with what Clough and the club do, or express displeasure when the team plays poorly. There's some excellent debate on this board but it's spoiled by this whinging.

It's not as simple as that. There's plenty of opportunities to slag the manager, players, club off as much as you like these days. Knock yourself out on the phone, forums, twitter, etc. But dishing out the dogs abuse and ripping our own players to shreds every time they step within 5 yards of the touchline if we're a goal down or misplace a pass, is a step too far IMHO. It's shit support.

 

[Jehovah]

yes, that was sad.
Was close to some on my row and the idiot that refused to sit down 8 rows in front causing a right issue was just stupid.

just think..........even MORE drinking time with a 5.30pm kickoff

UTB

Just what my mate said to me the other day. " You think that was bad? Wait until a 530pm kick off a sunny bank hol wknd"




Shit.

 

[Revolution]

It's not as simple as that. There's plenty of opportunities to slag the manager, players, club off as much as you like these days. Knock yourself out on the phone, forums, twitter, etc. But dishing out the dogs abuse and ripping our own players to shreds every time they step within 5 yards of the touchline if we're a goal down or misplace a pass, is a step too far IMHO. It's shit support.

2 things:

1. I do not indulge in the behaviour you describe at games. But I do occasionally boo (imagine!) or criticize bad play. I have never seen anything wrong with this.

2. A number of the wingers I refer to regard it as unacceptable to complain in other forums, including this one.

 

[Silent Blade]

This is not true. I attended regularly in the early 1980s and the team, board and manager were subject to booing and abuse arguably much worse than today. By way if example, there has been nothing this season to compare to the abuse the team and Porterfield took in 1985-6.

I was one of the "Porterfield out" mob but wasnt in the car park after that 5-2 defeat against Norwich. He was signing old players on high wages and kept dropping Edwards