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As pissed off as I am tonight, probably the most gutted I've been about a result since we lost to Yeovil in the Play Off's actually, I still think we'll bounce back.

The fleeting hope of automatic promotion in the past few weeks is probably increasing everyone's frustration tonight, but lets be realistic, it was going to take an unprecedented run to get auto's. We just need to focus on getting into the play off's (which in its own right is going to be tough), have a fit squad to choose from and seeing what happens.

If we don't go up this year, I'm positive Nigel will get it right next year with another transfer window.

UTB and keep the faith.
 

Anyone who went tonight to watch that will share your frustration.

We all do need to stay positive - as positive as we can be but it's pretty difficult at this moment

My concern in respect of the play offs assuming we get there ( I think we will) is that we aren't playing well at all even though we have had a great run - There's plenty of games left to try and get performance AND result !

I hope you're right
 
I just can't see us winning the play-offs.

You don't need to be a master tactician to see our weakness and limitations.

Since he's largely culpable for the position we're in, Clough should not get another season if this one ends in failure. Unless that is, we go on a run and end up unlucky. But if things stay roughly as they are now, he is not the man to take us out of this division. him and his 7 dwarves.
 
It's not cloughs fault were in our 4th season in this league. If it was our 1st we'd give him next season to get us up wouldn't we?
 
Well said. There's been some right over reaction tonight. UTB.

When we lose to decent opposition I agree with you, when we lose or lose to bog standard average opponents like tonight which we seem to be making a habit of at home, then I can understand why people are more than a little pissed off.
 
When we lose to decent opposition I agree with you, when we lose or lose to bog standard average opponents like tonight which we seem to be making a habit of at home, then I can understand why people are more than a little pissed off.

When I hear that we have lost to poor teams and bog standard or average opponents, it has crossed my mind recently that such descriptions could honestly be applied to us.
 
When we lose to decent opposition I agree with you, when we lose or lose to bog standard average opponents like tonight which we seem to be making a habit of at home, then I can understand why people are more than a little pissed off.

I think many realise that this our last big chance at automatic promotion and our manager messed it up.
 
My biggest issue with Clough is that he has had one of, if not the biggest budget in the league and we haven't been able to make a serious challenge for the top 2.

How much money to we have to spend to make up for Clough's negitivity?
 

We should force Nige to drive to Dundee in bare feet after gorging himself on Toblerone after tonight's debacle.

He could scout another couple of young Scotch lads while he's up there.
 
But the point is I bounced back. People bounce back. Rolf Harris, Dennis Hopper, there are others. I'm one of them.

You're like Rolf Harris??!!??

Seriously Pete, although it's late - I sometimes have an attack of insomnia - and as depressing as last night's result was, I will resolutely move forward supporting SUFC. The problem I find is that a result like last night's creates a climate of hysteria that makes contributing a bit of a pointless exercise. It's not so much that I am reluctant to air my opinions, but the hysteria I refer to seems to make considered discussion an irrelevance, at least for the few hours after the game has ended.

I doubt that certain posters will change their view that Clough should be sacked, but then they've held that opinion for months, so nothing knew as far as they're concerned. But it doesn't take much for these merchants of doom to squawk like we've been on a run where we haven't won a game for months. I'm as disappointed as the next Blade regarding last night's game, but I won't let my mood affect my overall belief in what I consider to be constructive opinions.

The easiest trap in the world is to fall into a way of thinking that's negative (it would seem that Nigel's not the only negative person around these parts) and therefore resistant to understanding or seeing the positives that have happened over the last 18 months or so. Yes, we should be doing better, yes, I'd love to see us get an automatic promotion place, but it's not happening. So, with that in mind we move forward and try and improve for the play-offs. If a supporter can't bring himself to get behind his team what's the point of being part of this club? Unless of course you're only purpose is to consistently criticise?
 
Another thought crossed my mind after reading some of the comments regarding Clough.

I don't see any point in prefacing my sense of disappointment with a way below par performance, but you'd think we were the only team dropping points. Last night Bournemouth recorded their first victory in six games. Eddie Howe, Bournemouth's manager, is considered one of the brightest prospects in the lower divisions, and his team have had a decent season so far, staying in contention for promotion to the Premiership, yet I doubt that there's not been a vocal group within B'mouth's supporters who haven't questioned Howe's position as manager. It happens everywhere, we're no different. It's just that some of us consider venting their spleen in ways that suggest they're incapable of anything other than hostility towards the manager, players, and, if they feel it's justified, other posters.

I'm massively disappointed that we haven't collected more points, that we aren't in a better position where promotion is concerned, and I'm far from accepting of the shortcomings this team has displayed. I've no problem with criticism of Clough, isn't that what being a supporter is meant to include? But what does worry me is the criticism that sometimes tips over from healthy industrial commentary into a form of violent outburst that would be better suited to an analyst's couch.

I doubt that those who are prone to such heightened emotional savagery will have any time for my observations. After all, reading some of these posts it's clear that regardless of what anyone has to say it won't be enough to persuade these posters to consider taking a deep breath, take some time out, and then return with a critique that actually adds a tone that's far more constructive than their previous aggro-inspired rants.
 
I'd have thought most Bournemouth fans would be happy with challenging for a place in the PL. They're Bournemouth ffs

I'm a supporter of Clough and still think he'll get us up this season. But the recent performances against Gillingham, Coventry and now Peterborough have shaken my faith a little. It's not just the results, those who attended say that the performances were poor. Add to that at least ten more no-shows since the start of the season. Despite the investment and support, we are still a team that you can't rely on to compete well even at this level.

If we fail in the Play Offs he gets my support for another season. If we miss out on the Play Offs I'd ask how much of the failure was down to NC's approach and how much was down to injuries and missing out on transfer targets. Looking at our resources and squad size, Clough would have to shoulder much of the blame.
 
what does worry me is the criticism that sometimes tips over from healthy industrial commentary into a form of violent outburst that would be better suited to an analyst's couch.
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You're probably describing the reaction of 95 percent of us when Peterborough's equalizer went in. Certainly it was mine.
 
Another thought crossed my mind after reading some of the comments regarding Clough.

I don't see any point in prefacing my sense of disappointment with a way below par performance, but you'd think we were the only team dropping points. Last night Bournemouth recorded their first victory in six games. Eddie Howe, Bournemouth's manager, is considered one of the brightest prospects in the lower divisions, and his team have had a decent season so far, staying in contention for promotion to the Premiership, yet I doubt that there's not been a vocal group within B'mouth's supporters who haven't questioned Howe's position as manager. It happens everywhere, we're no different. It's just that some of us consider venting their spleen in ways that suggest they're incapable of anything other than hostility towards the manager, players, and, if they feel it's justified, other posters.

I'm massively disappointed that we haven't collected more points, that we aren't in a better position where promotion is concerned, and I'm far from accepting of the shortcomings this team has displayed. I've no problem with criticism of Clough, isn't that what being a supporter is meant to include? But what does worry me is the criticism that sometimes tips over from healthy industrial commentary into a form of violent outburst that would be better suited to an analyst's couch.

I doubt that those who are prone to such heightened emotional savagery will have any time for my observations. After all, reading some of these posts it's clear that regardless of what anyone has to say it won't be enough to persuade these posters to consider taking a deep breath, take some time out, and then return with a critique that actually adds a tone that's far more constructive than their previous aggro-inspired rants.

Come on IYB, Bournemouth ?, top or near the top of the Championship, scoring goals for fun, I'd wager that even during those six games they have performed well, where as we have to grind out just about every result. I actually thought we played well last night, especially first half but as usual we found putting the ball in the back of the net as hard as knitting fog. I am always expecting opposition to score at the Lane, but last night I wasn't worried and thought that Dones goal was good enough to win us the game. My problem was not subbing Flynn, well before the end of the game when he looked all in and appeared to be carrying a knock even before he was clattered near the end. The substitutions he did make, did not smack of trying to win the game to me, as Clough claims, but rather trying to shut shop and holding out for a 1-0. Mr Clough is constantly using the phrase "conceding poor goal/s" yet this does not seem to be addressed and we keep conceding them. I admire your positivity but I honestly believe that anyone who thinks this side is going up this season is deluded. There will be three South Yorkshire sides in the Championship next season, grunters, rate dodgers and pointy heads from down the M18, much as it grieves me to say it.
 
Come on IYB, Bournemouth ?, top or near the top of the Championship, scoring goals for fun, I'd wager that even during those six games they have performed well, where as we have to grind out just about every result. I actually thought we played well last night, especially first half but as usual we found putting the ball in the back of the net as hard as knitting fog. I am always expecting opposition to score at the Lane, but last night I wasn't worried and thought that Dones goal was good enough to win us the game. My problem was not subbing Flynn, well before the end of the game when he looked all in and appeared to be carrying a knock even before he was clattered near the end. The substitutions he did make, did not smack of trying to win the game to me, as Clough claims, but rather trying to shut shop and holding out for a 1-0. Mr Clough is constantly using the phrase "conceding poor goal/s" yet this does not seem to be addressed and we keep conceding them. I admire your positivity but I honestly believe that anyone who thinks this side is going up this season is deluded. There will be three South Yorkshire sides in the Championship next season, grunters, rate dodgers and pointy heads from down the M18, much as it grieves me to say it.

Deluded am I, you cheeky bugger? ;) Seriously, I've no idea if we'll get promotion. I began this season feeling that we'd make a serious attempt to go for automatic promotion, if not the play-offs (in fact I began to think this towards the end of last season), but I always, always, adopt a point of view that's based on a match by match basis. I'm a great believer in form, and I think most supporters would be hard pressed to construct an argument that our form has been has been anything but iffy throughout this season. It saddens me that we've struggled, but it's what it is so we, or should I say, I, push forward hoping for improvements in all positions of the team. It's not a case of being positive for it's own sake, I think we all have good reason to believe that we should be doing better than we're currently doing. Although I understand much of the criticism that's thrown in Clough's direction, what I do question is the belief that Clough actually seems to want us to fail?

Nigel Clough will ultimately succeed or fail with SUFC. As has been suggested above (Dkc), when we conceded against B'mouth the air clearly left most supporter's lungs, mine included. In suggesting that 95% of supporters felt this way, I've no doubt, but where I do disagree is in the way criticism first turns to bile, then to something even more worrying, that leaves the critical arena to be replaced by a level of hostility better suited to a lynch-mob. As I've already said, and I hope most posters will read this in context, it's not criticism of the team or management that I have a problem with. My faith isn't blind, neither is it one-sided. Football is an understandable but strange occupation for anyone to want to pursue. There's little guarantee of long-term employment, yes, the rewards far exceed most people's remuneration, but the level of risk is still high in comparison. A manager or player's choice of course, so I don't waste too many tears on them.

I suppose where I do part company with some of my fellow supporters is in believing we, SUFC, have a divine right to anything, and I include success in that equation. That's a bitter pill to swallow, but just because, as some on here hold onto this belief, we're the mighty Sheffield United, it means very little in the big, wide world that is modern football. Equally, as has been pointed out, just because B'mouth, little old Bournemouth, dare to imagine that they should walk through the door of promotion seems to cause some posters an apoplexy, as if being small should prevent them from achieving anything! I keep hearing that we're a big club, that we're this, or that, or whatever. I doubt that carries much weight in this division, in fact I'd go as far as to say that other teams don't give a toss about who we think we are, other than we represent a decent payday at their turnstiles.

So, back to the question in hand. Personally I think we're headed for the play-offs. Whether we'll achieve success, don't ask me mate, naturally I hope we do, but let's wait and see. As for Nigel Clough? Whether I, you, or anyone else likes the idea, I think Clough will be here next season. Whether he's your, mine, or anyone else's cup of tea, he manages this club and it's down to him to analyse his own performance as well as the team's. I'd prefer to wait and see if he has it within him to take this club forward. I can already here the chorus of 'he's had plenty of time', but in real terms Clough has been here for about a season and a half, so I suspect that he'll be given longer to implement what he feels needs to be done to get promotion. The discussion about chopping and changing our manager was held some time ago, and the consensus seemed to be that we stop this merry-go-round. I hope that's the case, if not, the same supporters who are now clamouring for Clough's head could be responsible for the lack of stability that we all seemed to agree was necessary. What do we want, a season and a half then sack a manager? Or do we give the guy, whoever it is, the chance to build, making mistakes along the way I should add, but ultimately put us in a far stronger position than we have been for many years? That's my view of what Clough will do for this club. If anyone else has another manager in mind to take control of this club, I hope they'll give their choice longer than a season and a half before the axe falls. Otherwise we'll never find out whether we can actually move forward. Short-termism is the landscape occupied by the shortsighted, or those possessed of a short fuse, and when confronted by this type of opinion, or should that be volatility, it's usually difficult, if not impossible, to find some type of middle ground in which to reach agreement about what's best for our club. Just stop talking about other posters being deluded or whatever form of insult you choose to use, it doesn't help if we're attempting to contribute to a discussion about the way forward.
 
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i think Clough will be here next season too. i also think that if we aren't top of the league by xmas then the knives will be out. it is that stark. people are sick of this shit and their patience has run out. i have loads of patience or i couldn't do my job but i'm sick of this shit too tbh
 
Deluded am I, you cheeky bugger? ;) Seriously, I've no idea if we'll get promotion. I began this season feeling that we'd make a serious attempt to go for automatic promotion, if not the play-offs (in fact I began to think this towards the end of last season), but I always, always, adopt a point of view that's based on a match by match basis. I'm a great believer in form, and I think most supporters would be hard pressed to construct an argument that our form has been has been anything but iffy throughout this season. It saddens me that we've struggled, but it's what it is so we, or should I say, I, push forward hoping for improvements in all positions of the team. It's not a case of being positive for it's own sake, I think we all have good reason to believe that we should be doing better than we're currently doing. Although I understand much of the criticism that's thrown in Clough's direction, what I do question is the belief that Clough actually seems to want us to fail?

Nigel Clough will ultimately succeed or fail with SUFC. As has been suggested above (Dkc), when we conceded against B'mouth the air clearly left most supporter's lungs, mine included. In suggesting that 95% of supporters felt this way, I've no doubt, but where I do disagree is in the way criticism first turns to bile, then to something even more worrying, that leaves the critical arena to be replaced by a level of hostility better suited to a lynch-mob. As I've already said, and I hope most posters will read this in context, it's not criticism of the team or management that I have a problem with. My faith isn't blind, neither is it one-sided. Football is an understandable but strange occupation for anyone to want to pursue. There's little guarantee of long-term employment, yes, the rewards far exceed most people's remuneration, but the level of risk is still high in comparison. A manager or player's choice of course, so I don't waste too many tears on them.

I suppose where I do part company with some of my fellow supporters is in believing we, SUFC, have a divine right to anything, and I include success in that equation. That's a bitter pill to swallow, but just because, as some on here hold onto this belief, we're the mighty Sheffield United, it means very little in the big, wide world that is modern football. Equally, as has been pointed out, just because B'mouth, little old Bournemouth, dare to imagine that they should walk through the door of promotion seems to cause some posters an apoplexy, as if being small should prevent them from achieving anything! I keep hearing that we're a big club, that we're this, or that, or whatever. I doubt that carries much weight in this division, in fact I'd go as far as to say that other teams don't give a toss about who we think we are, other than we represent a decent payday at their turnstiles.

So, back to the question in hand. Personally I think we're headed for the play-offs. Whether we'll achieve success, don't ask me mate, naturally I hope we do, but let's wait and see. As for Nigel Clough? Whether I, you, or anyone else likes the idea, I think Clough will be here next season. Whether he's your, mine, or anyone else's cup of tea, he manages this club and it's down to him to analyse his own performance as well as the team's. I'd prefer to wait and see if he has it within him to take this club forward. I can already here the chorus of 'he's had plenty of time', but in real terms Clough has been here for about a season and a half, so I suspect that he'll be given longer to implement what he feels needs to be done to get promotion. The discussion about chopping and changing our manager was held some time ago, and the consensus seemed to be that we stop this merry-go-round. I hope that's the case, if not, the same supporters who are now clamouring for Clough's head could be responsible for the lack of stability that we all seemed to agree was necessary. What do we want, a season and a half then sack a manager? Or do we give the guy, whoever it is, the chance to build, making mistakes along the way I should add, but ultimately put us in a far stronger position than we have been for many years? That's my view of what Clough will do for this club. If anyone else has another manager in mind to take control of this club, I hope they'll give their choice longer than a season and a half before the axe falls. Otherwise we'll never find out whether we can actually move forward. Short-termism is the landscape occupied by the shortsighted, or those possessed of a short fuse, and when confronted by this type of opinion, or should that be volatility, it's usually difficult, if not impossible, to find some type of middle ground in which to reach agreement about what's best for our club. Just stop talking about other posters being deluded or whatever form of insult you choose to use, it doesn't help if we're attempting to contribute to a discussion about the way forward.

A view well thought out and put, which is what I would have expected from you IYB. Is deluded a form of insult ?, I don't know. I am still behind Clough Jnr but we seem to get ourselves into a good position and then take a step backwards, which is bloody frustrating to you, me and fellow Blades. There again if you were a Norwich supporter, I suppose you would be saying the same thing this morning. You are spot on about the big club syndrome, it's just that of the so called fallen giants that have graced this league in recent seasons, guess which one of them is making the heaviest weather of getting back up.
 

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