A Blank transfer window?

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At least the cup runs have given us some much needed good publicity in the wake of all that rapist bollocks. Thanks to that, and Oldham, the vile Sheff Utd of a few weeks back already seems to be fading from public / media memory. We all know where we stand on the Evans fiasco, it was a horrible, damaging period, and it remains a divisive issue at the club. But when we've got posters on other threads (sorry, can't remember who !) talking about the "media love-in" with SUFC after QPR and Southampton, it does remind you of how much that shitstorm was media-driven, or fuelled.

Anyway, what I meant to say was that at least we're a bit better positioned than we were a few weeks ago to attract players. Imagine if the rapist had been released in January ? We'd be completely fooked.
 



We've got the whole of Scotland and the rest of the world to look at yet, whats the rush ?....:tumbleweed:
 
The 100k bid for Mackay-Steven was ridiculous. It's like someone coming in and bidding 100K for Loius Reed or Diego. MacKay-Steven is a class player, my mates a Dundee United fan and raves about him.

Bidding such a derisory amount only pisses off the parent club of the player and makes us look like fools. I know he's out of contract in the summer, but a player of his quality and age we should start at the very minimum around the 350K mark if not more, if we are serious.

Just looks like a token offer to appease fans.
 
Signing any player is always going to be a gamble. Sometimes you got to just do it. Clough says he only wants players who will improve team he thought higdon would. He is going to have to spend some money soon. If we don't win on sat were going to be way behind. Getting some quality in quick may be the catalyst we need. Along with starting with McNulty upfront and a more positive approach
 
Borbokisfreekick said:
The 100k bid for Mackay-Steven was ridiculous. It's like someone coming in and bidding 100K for Loius Reed or Diego. MacKay-Steven is a class player, my mates a Dundee United fan and raves about him.

Bidding such a derisory amount only pisses off the parent club of the player and makes us look like fools. I know he's out of contract in the summer, but a player of his quality and age we should start at the very minimum around the 350K mark if not more, if we are serious.

Just looks like a token offer to appease fans.
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He's worth what someone ends up paying for him. If no one else is willing to top £100k he'll be sold for that amount or the owning club lose him in the summer. Derisory is better than nowt.

As a selling club we should know all about this ugly truth. Diego is currently of little value to our first team and out of contract in the summer. If he doesn't sign a new deal we should accept whatever offer we get. Theoretically speaking if course...
 
Borbokisfreekick said:
The 100k bid for Mackay-Steven was ridiculous. It's like someone coming in and bidding 100K for Loius Reed or Diego. MacKay-Steven is a class player, my mates a Dundee United fan and raves about him.

Bidding such a derisory amount only pisses off the parent club of the player and makes us look like fools. I know he's out of contract in the summer, but a player of his quality and age we should start at the very minimum around the 350K mark if not more, if we are serious.

Just looks like a token offer to appease fans.
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To what point or purpose? How could the club possibly think that fans are appeased by token offers for players we don't ultimately sign? Surely it would be a lot less trouble to do and say nothing?

The facts (and I know they don't suit the silly S2 agenda) are that we have made offers for several players who would improve our team significantly. Those offers might not be acceptable at the moment. They might be increased. Time will tell. 5 days into the window is not a time for conclusions, adverse or otherwise.

Certainly it is ridiculous to make a fuss about Barnsley signing three nonentities. I dare say we could have recruited all of them. I can imagine the unbridled joy on here if we had!
 
Pinchy said:

To what point or purpose? How could the club possibly think that fans are appeased by token offers for players we don't ultimately sign? Surely it would be a lot less trouble to do and say nothing?

The facts (and I know they don't suit the silly S2 agenda) are that we have made offers for several players who would improve our team significantly. Those offers might not be acceptable at the moment. They might be increased. Time will tell. 5 days into the window is not a time for conclusions, adverse or otherwise.

Certainly it is ridiculous to make a fuss about Barnsley signing three nonentities. I dare say we could have recruited all of them. I can imagine the unbridled joy on here if we had!
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Nice shout Pinchy . lets not bother what any other club do . Its what we do that counts . Will the players Barnsley have signed improve there team , and chances ,i doubt it.

Mr Clough knows the type and calibre of players he wants . Lets wait and see .

If Mr Clough , Mr McCabe , Mr Prince do not get the players we require to get us out of shit football league division 3 , so be it . We will all be pissed off , but we are still in the first week of January , so lets hold out and keep our powder dry .

JTW is not the January sales , so we may have to pay over the going rate for the right calibre players , as token players , loan players as a token gesture to fans , get you nowhere in any league .

UTB
 
Pinchy said:
To what point or purpose? How could the club possibly think that fans are appeased by token offers for players we don't ultimately sign? Surely it would be a lot less trouble to do and say nothing?

The facts (and I know they don't suit the silly S2 agenda) are that we have made offers for several players who would improve our team significantly. Those offers might not be acceptable at the moment. They might be increased. Time will tell. 5 days into the window is not a time for conclusions, adverse or otherwise.

Certainly it is ridiculous to make a fuss about Barnsley signing three nonentities. I dare say we could have recruited all of them. I can imagine the unbridled joy on here if we had!
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I wasn't saying thats the right thing - it just seems that bids like this, that are not ever going to get accepted, are done just for the sake of it, to say that they at least tried. If they're serious about signing a player of this MacKay-Steven's quality then they will have to up the price.

I'm hopeful we will get a decent signing or two, we have to if we want promotion.
 
Borbokisfreekick said:
I wasn't saying thats the right thing - it just seems that bids like this, that are not ever going to get accepted, are done just for the sake of it, to say that they at least tried. If they're serious about signing a player of this MacKay-Steven's quality then they will have to up the price.

I'm hopeful we will get a decent signing or two, we have to if we want promotion.
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It's all part of the game in modern day football transfers isn't it? Sometimes a club offers less than the true value of the player (this in itself is subjective of course), and the player himself fancies the move and 'helps' the transfer along by making it clear to his current club that he wishes to speak to the bidding club. When you have a player who is out of contract in the summer especially, you aren't in the driving seat.

I dare say that 100k is a significant amount of money to Dundee UTD - is it completely unrealistic that they might have decided to take the cash and save on his wages rather than keep him until the end of the season and lose him for nowt?

As its turned out, sounds like they have rejected the bid but I'm sure of Clough really wants him, we'll negotiate and go back in with a bigger offer. I'd rather that than going straight in with, say a 600k bid when something in the middle would have done it.
 
Borbokisfreekick said:
I wasn't saying thats the right thing - it just seems that bids like this, that are not ever going to get accepted, are done just for the sake of it, to say that they at least tried. If they're serious about signing a player of this MacKay-Steven's quality then they will have to up the price.

I'm hopeful we will get a decent signing or two, we have to if we want promotion.
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All blades know that getting the right calibre of players in the JTW would get us promotion , even by the playoffs . What we get pissed off and frustrated about , is after a league defeat and then a cup win , we know whats missing . A couple of players would get us a team , that would more than hold its own in the championship. Mr Clough may well buy a couple and loan a player . Lets hope so because this is the season we have to achieve it . Mr Clough , fans , and board , hopefully for a long time at BDTBL are all singing off the same hymn sheet.

UTB
 
SwindonBladeJnr said:
I dare say that 100k is a significant amount of money to Dundee UTD - is it completely unrealistic that they might have decided to take the cash and save on his wages rather than keep him until the end of the season and lose him for nowt?
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I'd just like to pick you up on this mate.Dundee United sold Andrew Robertson for just shy of £3 million to Hull at the start of the season.They also sold a very talented player in Ryan Gauld to Sporting Lisbon for £3 million rising to £6 million in add ons so on this evidence alone,i think it's fair to say a poxy 100k bid from us for another one of their talents is derisory to say the least and in no way do they need that money.

My guess is that Dundee Utd will have laughed that bid off and thought fuck them,they're not having him now,we'll sell him to someone else,someone who values a good player when they see one.

As for the window its self,i don't think we need much,we just need to play McNulty and Reed more often and get James Wallace fit somehow and we'll be ok.If i was going to pick a position where we need to strengthen i'd go for another Striker and like someone else has said somebody to challenge Murphy on the left hand side,preferably the lad in question.
 
SwindonBladeJnr said:
It's all part of the game in modern day football transfers isn't it? Sometimes a club offers less than the true value of the player (this in itself is subjective of course), and the player himself fancies the move and 'helps' the transfer along by making it clear to his current club that he wishes to speak to the bidding club. When you have a player who is out of contract in the summer especially, you aren't in the driving seat.

I dare say that 100k is a significant amount of money to Dundee UTD - is it completely unrealistic that they might have decided to take the cash and save on his wages rather than keep him until the end of the season and lose him for nowt?

As its turned out, sounds like they have rejected the bid but I'm sure of Clough really wants him, we'll negotiate and go back in with a bigger offer. I'd rather that than going straight in with, say a 600k bid when something in the middle would have done it.
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I hope you're right, but he didn't go back for coady, and the price wasn't a million in the first place obviously.

Wonder what we really offered for coady... £350k would be my guess..
 
wizadry said:
I'd just like to pick you up on this mate.Dundee United sold Andrew Robertson for just shy of £3 million to Hull at the start of the season.They also sold a very talented player in Ryan Gauld to Sporting Lisbon for £3 million rising to £6 million in add ons so on this evidence alone,i think it's fair to say a poxy 100k bid from us for another one of their talents is derisory to say the least and in no way do they need that money.

My guess is that Dundee Utd will have laughed that bid off and thought fuck them,they're not having him now,we'll sell him to someone else,someone who values a good player when they see one.

As for the window its self,i don't think we need much,we just need to play McNulty and Reed more often and get James Wallace fit somehow and we'll be ok.If i was going to pick a position where we need to strengthen i'd go for another Striker and like someone else has said somebody to challenge Murphy on the left hand side,preferably the lad in question.
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That's bang right and why I was annoyed at the 100K bid.

Dundee United are a debt free club with 6million sitting in the bank. They're one of the best run clubs in Scotland, have a cracking youth system and every year sell off one or two of their young stars for large sums of money. They would have just laughed off our bid for one of their best players.

Agreed that we don't need much - a striker, and Brayford would do nicely!

The most important thing is getting a settled back 4 and as you say, getting McNulty and Reed playing week in and week out.
 



We will refuse to spend the money required to get promoted simple as that. Utter rubbish when Clough says we need to wait until players are available. Was Maguire available then when we sold him?
 
Tezza1889 said:
I hope you're right, but he didn't go back for coady, and the price wasn't a million in the first place obviously.

Wonder what we really offered for coady... £350k would be my guess..
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Nothing would be my guess
 
Could it be that gms is already v close to signing a pre contract with us and subsequently it's either money now or nothing later?
Other clubs do it why not us?
He is best mates with RYAN Flynn and shares the Same agent, I would fully expect us to be already speaking directly to the player.
 
What do we think we will get for 200k nowadays? I can't see much happening this window other than loans.
 
If clough has identified him and wants him then I think with the remaining contact he has a chance around £250k -£300k of getting this player, we know he's trying to get porter off to scotland so let's join the dots...

If nigel splashes the cash on this, I will start to worry, call me doom n gloom, but if we need him to replace murphy, who, unkown to us is set to leave this month in the usual premier league club last day shenanigans that seem to stalk us every window...

Tin hats at the ready, but he's been looking after murphy recently as well, all the signs are there...
 
Garner was recently quoted as saying that had wished he had two murphys, one to play through the middle and one out wide.
Chesterfield have also apparently firmed up their interest in higdon, in anticipation of losing doyle. Utd seem to be out priced in the move for doyle as they do not consider him worth the 1.5 million that the likes of Celtic are apparently prepared to pay.
Personally prefer us to get gms and Bradshaw, however bradshaw will now be tempted to stay at Walsall at least until the summer as he now has a good chance of a wembley appearance of in the jpt
 
Cannot believe some of the garbage trotted out by many so called Blades !
If we had signed the three youngsters that Danny Wilson captured yesterday Clough would have been ridiculed !
Why sign players for the sake of it ?
Personally I would be happy if they could secure the services of COG and let Porter, McGinn, Collins find other clubs !
 
Fiery Blade said:
Cannot believe some of the garbage trotted out by many so called Blades !
If we had signed the three youngsters that Danny Wilson captured yesterday Clough would have been ridiculed !
Why sign players for the sake of it ?
Personally I would be happy if they could secure the services of COG and let Porter, McGinn, Collins find other clubs !
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I guess you won't be too happy come February then ;)
 
wizadry said:
I'd just like to pick you up on this mate.Dundee United sold Andrew Robertson for just shy of £3 million to Hull at the start of the season.They also sold a very talented player in Ryan Gauld to Sporting Lisbon for £3 million rising to £6 million in add ons so on this evidence alone,i think it's fair to say a poxy 100k bid from us for another one of their talents is derisory to say the least and in no way do they need that money.

My guess is that Dundee Utd will have laughed that bid off and thought fuck them,they're not having him now,we'll sell him to someone else,someone who values a good player when they see one.

As for the window its self,i don't think we need much,we just need to play McNulty and Reed more often and get James Wallace fit somehow and we'll be ok.If i was going to pick a position where we need to strengthen i'd go for another Striker and like someone else has said somebody to challenge Murphy on the left hand side,preferably the lad in question.
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Feel free to pick me up on anything you like mate, I enjoy the debate!

I appreciate that without context, 100k vs 3m looks pathetic. The context here is important though, because we are talking about a player that is free to walk in 6 months. My point is, regardless of previous player sales and current financial situation, from a business perspective, Dundee might (and I really stress this word) have taken the view that the 150k or whatever in fee and saved wages now is better than him going in the summer. Obviously they haven't as is their right. Realistically, I doubt we really believed we'd get him for that, but what if he would like to join us now he is aware of our bid? That plays into our hands for the remainder of the negotiations does it not? It might mean we get him at better price if he is keen.

I've not said that Dundee 'need' the money - I'd just like to point that out too.

Regarding your point that this may piss them off and stop them from selling to us, I'm sorry but I don't buy that. If Dundee Utd have a price they will sell at, and we hit it, they will sell him regardless of whether our opening bid was way too low or not. Football clubs are all the same, much like in business generally; they try and get the best deal for their club. I highly doubt Dundee Utd are 'offended' to the point where they won't negotiate with us. They might consider it a derisory bid but that is heir prerogative and as I say, if we go back with a bid that is acceptable it will be water under the bridge.

I remember us signing another scot who was early to mid twenties in a JTW not too long ago, a good attacking player with a big reputation in the SPL for around 150k or so...
 
wizadry said:
As for the window its self,i don't think we need much,we just need to play McNulty and Reed more often and get James Wallace fit somehow and we'll be ok.If i was going to pick a position where we need to strengthen i'd go for another Striker and like someone else has said somebody to challenge Murphy on the left hand side,preferably the lad in question.
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I wish it was as simple as this but I fear not. :(

IMHO, to make the play-offs and to be able to compete in the playoffs rather than our usual half-hearted crap at playoffs, we need major surgery to this squad, which I think would end up finishing just outside the playoffs again. I believe we need at least 4 / 5 players in key positions and they need to be players with pace, strength and not the usual midgets we seem to favour, which are ineffective in this Division, hence our current position.

Prepare to be disappointed !!
UTB & FTP
 



To date this month clubs have completed 82 player registrations out of which we have signed none.

Obviously we are not in any hurry even though we were so disappointed when the last window shut firmly on us when we had approached three candidates.
 
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