How did Chansiri get away with this — and why was it treated differently?

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Something I’ve never really understood about the Chansiri era is the whole sponsorship situation.

In 2019, it was reported that three Wednesday sponsorships linked to Chansiri — Chansiri, Elev8 and D Taxis — were not commercially active businesses at the time. D Taxis wasn’t even operating as a functioning taxi company, while Chansiri Ltd was reported as dormant. Yet these arrangements contributed around £1.27m a year to Wednesday. The EFL knew about the arrangements and, at the time, was reportedly satisfied that the values weren’t excessive under its financial rules. (The Guardian)

That raises an obvious question: what exactly was the difference between this and the sort of related-party sponsorship issue the Premier League is concerned about with Manchester City?

The Premier League’s rules specifically deal with related-party transactions and whether sponsorship deals reflect fair market value, because inflated deals can effectively provide a club with additional income from its owner’s wider interests. The Premier League has said its APT rules exist to prevent clubs benefiting from commercial deals that aren’t at fair market value. (Premier League)

I’m not saying the two cases are automatically the same — the rules, leagues, dates and evidence are different. And Wednesday’s sponsorships were actually assessed by the EFL at the time.

But given what we’ve subsequently seen, I think it’s fair to ask: if an owner creates or controls companies that aren’t genuinely operating commercially and then uses them to sponsor his football club, should the regulator be investigating whether those payments genuinely represented market-value commercial income?

And if the answer was effectively “yes, but the amounts weren’t excessive”, then it would be interesting to know why that was considered sufficient at the time.

Especially because Wednesday were simultaneously using other financial mechanisms to stay within the rules. The independent disciplinary commission later found that the club had breached the financial regulations over the timing of the Hillsborough sale, resulting in the eventual six-point deduction. (EFL)

So I don’t think the question is simply “should Chansiri be charged with exactly the same thing as Man City?” The more interesting question is:

Were the EFL’s rules and investigation of related-party sponsorships strong enough at the time, and would those same arrangements receive the same treatment under today’s financial regulations?
 



Favouritism? They have gotten away with so much stuff over the years and hosted semi finals when other grounds seemed more geographically suitable to the teams involved. The ironic thing is that if the EFL had closed the loophole at the time, mester chaansssirri would have run out of money before last season and the porkers would have been creaming over a new owner sooner.
 
I am sure ‘Big’ Biggsy and Ralf ‘the Hat’ Staton will be pursuing this financial cheating down at the theatre of rust as hard as they have been pushing/pleading for a points deduction for us??!!
they may even need to get the Tankersley golf club masons to ring Blunkett and Betts
 
I was thinking about Chansiri's dodgy sponsorship companies earlier and how he got away with it, after seeing the Man City saga on the news.
 
Something I’ve never really understood about the Chansiri era is the whole sponsorship situation.

In 2019, it was reported that three Wednesday sponsorships linked to Chansiri — Chansiri, Elev8 and D Taxis — were not commercially active businesses at the time. D Taxis wasn’t even operating as a functioning taxi company, while Chansiri Ltd was reported as dormant. Yet these arrangements contributed around £1.27m a year to Wednesday. The EFL knew about the arrangements and, at the time, was reportedly satisfied that the values weren’t excessive under its financial rules. (The Guardian)

That raises an obvious question: what exactly was the difference between this and the sort of related-party sponsorship issue the Premier League is concerned about with Manchester City?

The Premier League’s rules specifically deal with related-party transactions and whether sponsorship deals reflect fair market value, because inflated deals can effectively provide a club with additional income from its owner’s wider interests. The Premier League has said its APT rules exist to prevent clubs benefiting from commercial deals that aren’t at fair market value. (Premier League)

I’m not saying the two cases are automatically the same — the rules, leagues, dates and evidence are different. And Wednesday’s sponsorships were actually assessed by the EFL at the time.

But given what we’ve subsequently seen, I think it’s fair to ask: if an owner creates or controls companies that aren’t genuinely operating commercially and then uses them to sponsor his football club, should the regulator be investigating whether those payments genuinely represented market-value commercial income?

And if the answer was effectively “yes, but the amounts weren’t excessive”, then it would be interesting to know why that was considered sufficient at the time.

Especially because Wednesday were simultaneously using other financial mechanisms to stay within the rules. The independent disciplinary commission later found that the club had breached the financial regulations over the timing of the Hillsborough sale, resulting in the eventual six-point deduction. (EFL)

So I don’t think the question is simply “should Chansiri be charged with exactly the same thing as Man City?” The more interesting question is:

Were the EFL’s rules and investigation of related-party sponsorships strong enough at the time, and would those same arrangements receive the same treatment under today’s financial regulations?

We all knew it at the time it was dodgy as fuck and the fact that the EFL just allowed it says it all.

No one could order a D-Taxi but it's fine just have a holding page website saying coming soon.
 
If they had an success I am sure it would have been looked at.. eventually

Which is why I am all for real time ffp, budget watching rather than retrospective action
 
Because they didn’t win owt.

The Man City stuff all stems from investigative journalists digging. Nobody can be arsed to go to those lengths for a club bobbing about between the second and third tiers.
 
Because they didn’t win owt.

The Man City stuff all stems from investigative journalists digging. Nobody can be arsed to go to those lengths for a club bobbing about between the second and third tiers.
Thank fuck for that
 
The stuff Chansiri has done is on a much smaller scale to Man City, and there’s obviously significantly less spotlight on them than Man City, despite what their fans will lead you to believe.

Chansiri is out of pocket to the tune of £200m, and has nothing to show for it. It could be said that through these dodgy transactions, that’s his personal debt, and the club (whether the fans will ever say this) has come the closest in its history to complete extinction.

They can fawn over the new owner as much as they like, the financial impact of his tenure will be felt for years. They might say they love it in League One, but the bounce (lol) will soon wear off when they’re drawing at home to teams like Wigan and Stockport.

Let’s not forget they’ve not beaten anyone near the top half of the table yet, and by all accounts have had some serious luck so far, in both the league and the cup.

They’re also still sanctioned to an extent and, as much as they like to brush it under the carpet, they HAVE taken money away from a large number of local businesses in being “reborn”. That will have a knock on effect to future income, as will the desire to sell as many STs as possible, thereby reducing pay on the day.

Chansiri has been at the helm overseeing this, so I don’t think it’s a stretch to say it’s been a horrendous period for him and the club as a whole. Ironically though he’d still be here if he had some money, they only took notice when that dried up.
 

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