HARRY MAGUIRE

[raul]

Those who advance their careers get big money moves when the time is right to play in the first team at their new club
Those that move for the money get stock piled in the stiffs and loaned out to this club and to that club and all too often drift into being a journeyman pro, achieving very little by the time they are 30+. So, I dispute the statement that he has done nothing wrong career wise (at this moment in his development) because I separate out career from remuneration.

Outside of football you could end up in a job that gives you no advancement, no enjoyment and no career progression that earns you a good wedge - many people will settle for that because, let's face it, most of us work to live and not to other way around - but it's different for footballers with such a short time in the prime of health, so moving just for the money is not necessarily a well advised career move.

At the end of a footballers working lifespan I'll bet you nearly all of them would prefer a taste of glory over a slightly larger wedge of money that they can easily spunk away in less then a decade. If you speak to ex pro's it's the stories they have and the good times they remember that enriches their lives - not the flashy car or the trophy clunge on the end of their weiner. The ephemeral nature of the trappings associated with the quick buck is a young man's hollow dream compared to the solid and lasting achievements they can actually make on the hallowed turf.

Harry is a footballer - if he is not playing competitive first team football at the club that purchased him then how is that a well thought out and considered career move? At his time of life and at his stage of development he needs consistency and regularity in playing the game he is equipped to perform in. Sitting on his arse at Hull, pissing about in U21 kickabouts or waiting for the manager to call him in to see if he wants to go on loan at Blackpool or Udders or Fulham or similar for a month or three is not a career move.

Can't think of anyone who goes from League One to the Prem and gets straight in the first team and can't think that a Prem club would tell someone they would. What he's gone for is the opportunity to play amongst better players and continue his development that way and if he shows he's good enough, he'll get in. There's nothing more he can learn whilst playing in Div 3.

And if he ends up a journeyman, so what? Don't the ast majority of footballers end up being just that?

There was a series of car ads on the telly last year. Basically a bloke curtain twitching at the neighbours going off somewhere fun in their new car and harrumphing at the sheer audacity and recklessness of it all. The attitude we're displaying to HM is very very similar to that. Instead of carping at a bloke who has taken an oportunity not afforded him by SUFC, shouldn't we really be concentrating on addressing the legacy of spending four years at this level so the next Harry doesn't have to leave to get better?

 

[axel smeets]

A bad move it may be for him not playing games, but with a weekly 5 figure sum being poured into his bank account, I'd be pretty certain he doesn't mind. There's no doubt that footballers want to play at the highest level they can, but they also know that one bad challenge could potentially end their career.

With a 4 year contract behind him, HM knows that unless he is a complete moron, he will be financially set for life now.

 

[Kenilworth]

Difference is that Kyle didn't engineer the move - he would have stayed to develop but it was the club that wanted to cash in.
At that time Kyle wasn't ready for first team action in the Prem for the likes of Spurs - he was for us, though.

I don't begrudge Harry a move - I just don't think he was ready yet, even after three years with us, playing regularly. He got his chance with us early as we were in the position we were in. What I object to is this blinkered approach to Hull being a move for "footballing reasons" and then he never plays - If he stated it was purely for the money then that is more honest and I can accept it - although I might not agree with it. To say that this current move helps develop his career is a nonsense as it stands - the cold truth is that he isn't playing so it can't be helping.

 

[Kenilworth]

With a 4 year contract behind him, HM knows that unless he is a complete moron, he will be financially set for life now.

That will not be enough for life - it never is - these four years will not be sufficient to cover the next 50-60 or 70 years of his life.
If he lives like a hermit and never marries and never has kids it might - but that's not realistic. More than half will go on tax/NI etc - the balance will not sustain him for the rest of his time on this mortal coil.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Difference is that Kyle didn't engineer the move - he would have stayed to develop but it was the club that wanted to cash in.
At that time Kyle wasn't ready for first team action in the Prem for the likes of Spurs - he was for us, though.

I don't begrudge Harry a move - I just don't think he was ready yet, even after three years with us, playing regularly. He got his chance with us early as we were in the position we were in. What I object to is this blinkered approach to Hull being a move for "footballing reasons" and then he never plays - If he stated it was purely for the money then that is more honest and I can accept it - although I might not agree with it. To say that this current move helps develop his career is a nonsense as it stands - the cold truth is that he isn't playing so it can't be helping.

Kyle wouldn't have got anywhere near our 1st team with but for injuries and arguably Harry wouldn't either had we stayed up that season. Whether KW engineered a move or not doesn't detract from what's happened since, he wasn't good enough initially as you say, moved away on loan and has now established himself. It may take Harry another 2 years from here to do the same so the fact it's Hull doesn't really matter if he does it via the loan route as Kyle did. Chances are Hull may not be in the Prem in 2 years time but if HM goes out on loan and does well, further moves will undoubtedly follow.

 

[metalblade]

You can't really compare Kyle Walker to Harry Maguire. Walker and Naughton for that matter were plenty good enough for a team that made it to the Championship play off final before they were sold, not such a big step up for them as it is for Harry. If he were making a step up for career reasons a move into the Championship was the way to go not to the only club in the Premiership who were willing to gamble on him, and we all no why they were willing to take the plunge was because they had very few options to play in the Europa league qualifiers. Now they are out of that competition I expect that cunt Bruce will disguard him at the first opportunity Harry could end up anywhere and still not get games. I really do think the agent and Steve Bruce could have ruined a guys career for cash and one qualifier in the Europa League.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

You can't really compare Kyle Walker to Harry Maguire. Walker and Naughton for that matter were plenty good enough for a team that made it to the Championship play off final before they were sold, not such a big step up for them as it is for Harry. If he were making a step up for career reasons a move into the Championship was the way to go not to the only club in the Premiership who were willing to gamble on him, and we all no why they were willing to take the plunge was because they had very few options to play in the Europa league qualifiers. Now they are out of that competition I expect that cunt Bruce will disguard him at the first opportunity Harry could end up anywhere and still not get games. I really do think the agent and Steve Bruce could have ruined a guys career for cash and one qualifier in the Europa League.

The comparison was really between Walker and Slew as to how things can work out. The comparison between Walker and Maguire was just to show how not getting in the 1st team initially and dropping back down a level is not necessarily a disaster.

Matt Lowton made the step up and went straight into Villa's team playing a full season but has fallen out of favour this season, who knows where he'll be in 12 months time.

 

[Sheff de party]

The worst that can happen is that he plays no competitive games - just the few U21 matches and gets totally disillusioned with the game and his career nose dives into obscurity. It's known in these parts as a Slew.

Who's to say a Champ club will loan him anyway? They may also conclude he is not ready to gamble on for their first team. If he gets a loan move and doesn't hit the deck running then he will be sidelined again. There is no guarantee that he will get game time under any circumstances since he left us. That was his choice and he made a very ill advised move at best and a career limiting one at worst.

Again, I take your point, but you can't say it was ill-advised at best. At best, he might be an established PL centre half by the end of the season. It's too early to say ill-advised after a month.

I still think at worst he ends up at a club higher than us, but I think we'll have to disagree and leave it up to young Harry!

 

[wizadry]

He will have pretty much made himself a guaranteed millionaire with this move, so from that point of view you can understand it, plus he (and his agent) will have been hoping that it will turn out like Kyle Walker rather than Jordan Slew.

It's a gamble no doubt, he could have stayed with us, he could (maybe) have gone to Wolves and probably played a full season in the Chumpionship. he may have broken his leg in pre-season and ended his career, who knows.

You can't argue with his decision, he will be training with better players and may well get a season in the Chumpionship but that also has it's issues and potential pitfalls. Time will tell.

I agree with almost everything you have put,but i'm not sure what the pitfalls would have been if he were to play in the Championship,still on very high wages,to develop his career.

It is all about opinions and money i suppose,in a get as much as you can kind of way.Apart from the one match in the europa qualifier he hasn't even made the bench in any other match,so good career move atm it is not,and it is atm we are talking about it.

 

[Derby_Blade]

Was at the Lane again today, odd that Hull wouldn't make him watch their game unless he was coming back to us

 

[Houso]

Where would he fit in? We need another central defender (or 2) for certain, but he's got to start... so who would drop to the bench?

 

[grafikhaus]

Was at the Lane again today, odd that Hull wouldn't make him watch their game unless he was coming back to us

Probably just confirming he got out at the right time?

 

[BladeFisher]

Probably just confirming he got out at the right time?

Maybe Bruce meant to sign Butler?

 

[blade62]

Was at the Lane again today, odd that Hull wouldn't make him watch their game unless he was coming back to us

Hull don't play until Monday night so it would be their day off I imagine

 

[wizadry]

We don't want Maguire back,he didn't want to play for us and we have now moved on,lets develop OUR own players.With all due respect,fuck him.

 

[Derby_Blade]

Hull don't play until Monday night so it would be their day off I imagine

Ah yes good point, still would have thought they would be training or something. Just a bit odd to go and watch your old club.

 

[Gibbo89]

Not in tonight's Hull team @ Albion in league cup despite Bruce changing all the starting 11. He is sat on the bench this time but shows how far down the pecking order he is. He's collecting money but wasting his football talents away.

 

[mattbianco1]

Not in tonight's Hull team @ Albion in league cup despite Bruce changing all the starting 11. He is sat on the bench this time but shows how far down the pecking order he is. He's collecting money but wasting his football talents away.

He should've stuck it out this season with us (probably got promotion) then jumped ship as a 22yr old with nearly 200 apps. Wasted a year here. He'll break into Hulls team "if" they get relegated but I doubt they will. I imagine he'll be loaned then sold to a championship club within 12 months

 

[wizadry]

He should've stuck it out this season with us (probably got promotion) then jumped ship as a 22yr old with nearly 200 apps. Wasted a year here. He'll break into Hulls team "if" they get relegated but I doubt they will. I imagine he'll be loaned then sold to a championship club within 12 months

You're not a million miles off there mate,the only thing i would have questioned in that statement was the bit in brackets

 

[Kenilworth]

Deserves all he gets for listening to an agent instead of Clough.
He probably realises now which one had his best interests at heart.
One would have been football motivated the other, solely, by money.

Shows that his brains were in his feet.

Lesson learned?
At least he can buy a posh cushion

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Deserves all he gets for listening to an agent instead of Clough.
He probably realises now which one had his best interests at heart.
One would have been football motivated the other, solely, by money.

Shows that his brains were in his feet.

Lesson learned?
At least he can buy a posh cushion

I doubt he gives a flying.....

Set up for life and that's the main thing.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Whatever anyone thinks of Harry, he'll take one look at our results and this will confirm he did the right thing by himself. As Patrick Suffaux said, he's set up for life, or close to it. What choice would any of us have made I wonder?

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Whatever anyone thinks of Harry, he'll take one look at our results and this will confirm he did the right thing by himself. As Patrick Suffaux said, he's set up for life, or close to it. What choice would any of us have made I wonder?

I stand by what I've always said, I'm the Bladiest Blade going but if I was lucky enough to play for the club and another club offered me four, five, six times more money I would be off.

My future and that of my family would come first. Balls to the club and anyone saying they would do otherwise is talking bobbar in my opinion.

 

[wizadry]

I stand by what I've always said, I'm the Bladiest Blade going but if I was lucky enough to play for the club and another club offered me four, five, six times more money I would be off.

My future and that of my family would come first. Balls to the club and anyone saying they would do otherwise is talking bobbar in my opinion.

It all depends on how much more more money,and how long he is going to be earning that much more money far.

How much do we reckon Harry would have got if he would have signed a contract extension with us, £8,000 i heard atleast and that was without appearance fee's,clean sheet bonuses,win bonuses and a few other extra's.Now you work out,or should i say have a guess what he will be on at Hull.My guess would be no more than £15,000 for a fringe player,who plays at CB,in the Prem for Hull city,and that will be the maximum he gets more or less every weak.There will be no extra's because he is never in the squad,you only get the bonuses if you're in the squad.

So you total all of his bonuses up,with his wages staying with us,and it wouldn't be far off what he's getting at Hull.The main point i'm getting at is he went because of the £250,000 signing on fee and not the 4,5,or 6 times a weak wages you talk about.

p.s. He won't be earning that much for that long either as his career is going to go downhill from here all due to bad advice.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

It all depends on how much more more money,and how long he is going to be earning that much more money far.

How much do we reckon Harry would have got if he would have signed a contract extension with us, £8,000 i heard atleast and that was without appearance fee's,clean sheet bonuses,win bonuses and a few other extra's.Now you work out,or should i say have a guess what he will be on at Hull.My guess would be no more than £15,000 for a fringe player,who plays at CB,in the Prem for Hull city,and that will be the maximum he gets more or less every weak.There will be no extra's because he is never in the squad,you only get the bonuses if you're in the squad.

So you total all of his bonuses up,with his wages staying with us,and it wouldn't be far off what he's getting at Hull.The main point i'm getting at is he went because of the £250,000 signing on fee and not the 4,5,or 6 times a weak wages you talk about.

You're massively under estimating what fringe players in the Premier League are earning. Maybe 15,000 a week 5 years ago. The wages are obscene mate. I would stick another 10k on that but that's only an educated guess.

 

[wizadry]

You're massively under estimating what fringe players in the Premier League are earning. Maybe 15,000 a week 5 years ago. The wages are obscene mate. I would stick another 10k on that but that's only an educated guess.

Even at Hull city?

 

[Sirius]

I stand by what I've always said, I'm the Bladiest Blade going but if I was lucky enough to play for the club and another club offered me four, five, six times more money I would be off.

My future and that of my family would come first. Balls to the club and anyone saying they would do otherwise is talking bobbar in my opinion.

I agree. Had the move been to the club's advantage, they would have pushed. Harry out of the door regardless. It works both ways.

 

[JJBlade]

I doubt he gives a flying.....

Set up for life and that's the main thing.

Yep, set up for life.
And when a Sheffield United player signs a deal that will set him up for life the sooner this club might actually achieve something.

 

[judge]

When your biggest asset wants to get away its because he has outgrown the club

You might not like it but its the truth ,our ambition once a player leaves is to get as much money as we can

Never occurs to us that players leave because the club dont match their ambitions

 

[Mouth of the South]

HM is on £18k/week.