Wilder OUT - megathread

[Keen Blade]

Good points and well made

Other clubs do it as you say .

I’m not anti CW but the excuse of tired players yesterday really pissed me off .

I’m tired - I’m 65 , been working my nuts off since I was 16 ( as have many fellow Blades ) - if I’d have walked into see my boss saying I’m tired , or said same to my customers when I set up my own business , or said same to my wife and kids when things got tough - guess what would have happened .

Tell you , that’s nearing the bottom of the barrel for me .

Rant over

Back to bed because I’m -

FFS Chris - get a grip

Back to bed because I'm -

On Redtube / on Grinder ...

That's my excuse anyway

 

[Latters]

Wilder is pants but he hasn't quite declined to the point where he's gone full Adkins yet.

The football is crap, the squad has been dismantled and the remaining players don't look fit, good enough or interested.

But I still think we'll get enough points to keep us away from the bottom three this season.

I think the point SBSP is making is that, even if we do get enough points to stay up, which is far from guaranteed, watching us just isn’t fun anymore. I’ve got a season ticket and went on Saturday in the end, but find myself looking for the most feeble excuses not to go. Wilder’s “football” has made it so that going to the match isn’t as enjoyable as it should be.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

I think the point SBSP is making is that, even if we do get enough points to stay up, which is far from guaranteed, watching us just isn’t fun anymore. I’ve got a season ticket and went on Saturday in the end, but find myself looking for the most feeble excuses not to go. Wilder’s “football” has made it so that going to the match isn’t as enjoyable as it should be.

I get that but I'd still rather watch this dross in the Championship than us potentially playing Stevenage off the park in League One.

I don't want us to play in that league ever again.

Not forgetting that Wednesday will probably be challenging for promotion this season and we might have to pass them on the way down.

Nah, fuck that.

 

[Latters]

I get that but I'd still rather watch this dross in the Championship than us potentially playing Stevenage off the park in League One.

I don't want us to play in that league ever again.

Not forgetting that Wednesday will probably be challenging for promotion this season and we'd have to pass them on the way down.

Nah, fuck that.

This I do get, particularly the pigs passing us, that would be a difficult pill to swallow. There are arguments for both, I’d like to be entertained again and actually look forward to going to the match, but don’t want us to have to be relegated for that to be the case.

If Wilder could somehow rediscover his spark from his first term here, happy days, but I think there’s too much time passed and he’s lost everything that made him good at what he did. The club needs a refresh.

 

[ATL Recs]

Both of them can be true.

I’d like to see people name potential names who might be available and be able to turn things around, rather than shouting for the managers head and being unable to name potential replacements who would be better than Wilder for our current situation. Who knows I might see a name and think he might be good for us and be able to get on board with it.

There will be someone better within the football world to take us forward and reshape us a club, Brighton, Bournemouth and Brentford all seem to be able to manage it when their managers leave in an upwards move, as it’s clear they have a bit of succession planning. Do you have confidence in the current powers that be at Bramall Lane to be able to do that.

The last two times we sacked Wilder, we ended up with Jokanovic who was dreadful and we owed a lot to Hecky who righted that particular fuck up, and then the second we dropped on Selles who knocked us back 5-10 years in the space of 3 months

Slav was thrown under a bus- he took the job on the assurance he would be supported in recruitment so he could lay down the foundations for his preferred playing style and what happened he got nothing just empty promises. Hecky returned to Wilder ball and things changed back to before.
If Slav he had been backed pre season as he was promised he would have had us playing a fast expansive game and could have changed the irritating culture at this club.
Selles was just a pathetic move by the owners

 

[Thrice]

When you look at clubs like Hull, Sunderland, Southampton or Middlesbrough. They all have one thing in common. They've all been on the upswing since they hired a young European manager with fresh ideas.
A manager can be an absolute difference maker for a club and Wilder just isn't that manager anymore.

 

[joe casey]

Slav was thrown under a bus- he took the job on the assurance he would be supported in recruitment so he could lay down the foundations for his preferred playing style and what happened he got nothing just empty promises. Hecky returned to Wilder ball and things changed back to before.
If Slav he had been backed pre season as he was promised he would have had us playing a fast expansive game and could have changed the irritating culture at this club.
Selles was just a pathetic move by the owners

Which is nice thinking in theory but in reality he's had two jobs in Russia and UAE since he left us and both have lasted a season or less..

 

[Superblades]

Time to take this thread down.The 20% are getting boring. UTB!

34% and increasing every week.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[luffenhamblade]

We could, but I genuinely don't think this is the best we can muster. It's prehistoric football and a recruitment process from the same era.

Don’t disagree - just seen so much rubbish before and have zero confidence in owners so though I agree with you in large part I suspect the outcome would be worse than we have now. We’ll get to the point of no return by November I suspect though. Just not very positive about how the next few years will pan out. Sorry to be negative.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

lolz

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Sorry, but this and the whole “give me other names” take is simply ludicrous. How would we as a fan base have any steer on a list of names or their availability, to an extent to be in a position of offering the job?

If you have a shit member of staff at work, you fire them, then hire a replacement. You don’t go, well I assume there’s no one else able to do this job so let’s just stick as is and see if the decline somehow rights itself.

I had the same argument with a blade on the train en route to Derby away last season and it’s a poor excuse. This is what teams do, whether it works out or not is a different debate, but why would they continue with an option that is repeatedly proving to not be working.

CW is becoming so divisive, and making fans blind to the issues through his so called “pashun” and “getting the club”, but again like last season we’ve just been embarrassed by an average team at home, much like last season, and save the heroics of a loan player and keeper, would’ve been the same against Bolton, newly promoted, at home.

Yes, he’s had players sold, and some would argue the backing is minimal, but so what? Managers have these kind of situations all the time, that’s the point of being the manager. Need more staff? Sorry, we’ve no budget right now. Need certain tools? Sorry, our supplier is delayed.

Make do for now and work with what you’ve got.

Instead we’ve got a man at the heart of everything, getting nothing out of his players and dividing the fan base. The performances are shit, the attendances are dropping and we have a board backing him to deliver stability only ffs. All these pro-wilder points about his man management and budget squad building are a thing of the past, bouncing day for instance was 10 years ago now…

More results like yesterday and we’ll be in the shit quicker than you can say “he’s one of our own”.

And the better run clubs already have scouted and know who they want to replace whoever the current incumbent is. We can only dream of such forward thinking at our club.

 

[Gin&Juice]

 

[54yrblade]

This I do get, particularly the pigs passing us, that would be a difficult pill to swallow. There are arguments for both, I’d like to be entertained again and actually look forward to going to the match, but don’t want us to have to be relegated for that to be the case.

If Wilder could somehow rediscover his spark from his first term here, happy days, but I think there’s too much time passed and he’s lost everything that made him good at what he did. The club needs a refresh.

That first CW team would smash this lot to bits every day and twice on Sunday without a problem.

We haven't seen that mark of a 'proper Sheffield united performance' that he used to reference in years.

Chris's heyday. This is now painful to watch

 

[ZLB]

34% and increasing every week.

And they’re repeating the same shite in multiple different ways on and on and on.

 

[ATL Recs]

Which is nice thinking in theory but in reality he's had two jobs in Russia and UAE since he left us and both have lasted a season or less..

Your being a little selective with the truth though

 

[Yoonitedite]

Or other clubs offering the player more money maybe?

Or have clearly communicated ambition and coaches that can improve you as a player.
Money does not trump everything.

 

[Pedro Verde]

The problem is the when the owners sacked Wilder after the Play Off final it was a fucking disaster by recruiting the wrong manager as has been said ad infinitum on here
I therefore think they will be extremely reluctant to pull the trigger again. Im of the opinion as long as Wilder can keep us clear of relegation we will have to write this season off. I do wonder if another manager could fashion a team out of this totally imbalanced squad of unfit players
The owners really do need to be looking at and planning ahead to implement a complete overhaul of the management and recruitment process identifying personnel now to get something in place for next season

 

[Tarqs]

The problem is the when the owners sacked Wilder after the Play Off final it was a fucking disaster by recruiting the wrong manager as has been said ad infinitum on here
I therefore think they will be extremely reluctant to pull the trigger again. Im of the opinion as long as Wilder can keep us clear of relegation we will have to write this season off. I do wonder if another manager could fashion a team out of this totally imbalanced squad of unfit players
The owners really do need to be looking at and planning ahead to implement a complete overhaul of the management and recruitment process identifying personnel now to get something in place for next season

Another manager might not waste the large wages on a squad of older unfit players.

Recruitment is dog shit and wilder is a key cog in that process.

 

[Champagneblade]

It's not a nice situation now

Wilder's been fucked over but he's also massively culpable, and he's left himself with nowhere to go with this joke of a squad

Now the clock is ticking again and it all feels so inevitable

I hope he lasts the season, but maybe not

If/when he does go we need to think seriously how to properly replace him, in all aspects. We need a presence at the club who will not let the sort of farce unfold that we had with Sellés last summer, where we were an aimless, rudderless clown show. We should aim to retain/recruit key staff who understand and care about the club - it would be a bonus if we could find one like that to be a DoF or similar. We need safeguards against the owners' ignorance and stupidity

The problem is that Wilder is a Godsend to owners because they’ve always tried to do it on the cheap.

They bought in Slav so we’d play like Fulham, yet he got no signings right until the last knockings.

Now you could argue he didn’t get the best out of the players like Hecky did. It is the managers job to do that.

But he was never given the tools to do the job he thought he’d agreed to do.

We always find a way to do things half arsed. We’ve got Mikey Allen and his computer and Jamie Hoyland who was last playing in the early 90s.

What have their recruitment successes been over the past few years? We should be looking to refresh the recruitment staff every 3 years unless we’re progressing.

 

[ChinaBlade]

Not only do I no longer rate him as a manager but i'm actively growing to dislike him (what comes out of his mouth).

A great shame after everything he gave us in his first spell.

Let's move on before many more come to the same conclusion as myself.

 

[Tony Currie]

Not only do I no longer rate him as a manager but i'm actively growing to dislike him (what comes out of his mouth).

A great shame after everything he gave us in his first spell.

Let's move on before many more come to the same conclusion as myself.

Wilder will keep us up. We have a lot of unfit players who haven't played a lot of football in the last 12 moths. On top of that the board sell three of our best players. Alan Knill being pushed hasn't help(always thought he had an eye for a player). Under these circumstances I fail to see which manager could do better? Any suggestions welcomed.

 

[Blade59]

It's not only the fitness & conditioning at the Lane itself ,
But also ,
The consistent recruitment of players who are incapable of getting fit or conditioned.
Basically Wilder mainly bring in whatever is the opposite of athletes.
I'd rather see some better athletes from L1 & L2 or from abroad,
Than see Wilder's crocked old men who used to be good footballers.

In addition we continue to sign players who cannot last 90 minutes. He is already talking about he can't start Phillips until after the international break when he can be sure he can for play for 55 or 60 minutes. If that is the expectation we are setting then no wonder we are in such a mess. Every match we have pre planned substitutions for players that cannot last the full game. Meanwhile other managers use their subs tactically to change or manage the game whilst we simply make like for like just to get through the full 90 minutes.

 

[Rodley]

Who is going to take the job? It’s fantasy stuff. We’re got ownership in two legal disputes and there’s no money whatsoever. We’re probably less attractive than a team who has just come up right now.

We just need to get through this season, stay up and then see where we are with the above. His contract is only until the summer.

 

[DeanLearner'sCat]

Slav was thrown under a bus- he took the job on the assurance he would be supported in recruitment so he could lay down the foundations for his preferred playing style and what happened he got nothing just empty promises. Hecky returned to Wilder ball and things changed back to before.
If Slav he had been backed pre season as he was promised he would have had us playing a fast expansive game and could have changed the irritating culture at this club.

Slav had a top 2 Championship squad and completely shit the bed. The club had publicly said "evolution not revolution". They communicated that to him and to us. He knew that going in. We were never going to massively change the playing squad and we didn't need to.

This idea that we desperately needed to overhaul the squad so that he could play his style/formation is utter balls. Norwood, Berge, MGW, McGoldrick etc weren't exactly technically weak players. Slav's Watford team played 3-5-2 successfully (presumably one of the reasons we appointed him) and I don't think Troy Deeney and Lloyd Doyley were so much better suited to possession football than what we had.

Slav, like Selles, was just not very good.

 

[Bramhall Lane blade]

If CW thinks Ayew at 34 is the answer,get him gone.

 

[ChinaBlade]

Wilder will keep us up. We have a lot of unfit players who haven't played a lot of football in the last 12 moths. On top of that the board sell three of our best players. Alan Knill being pushed hasn't help(always thought he had an eye for a player). Under these circumstances I fail to see which manager could do better? Any suggestions welcomed.

Is that the total of our ambition? To just stay up? Do you think our budget is a bottom 6 one?

These unfit players have been either working with or have been signed by Wilder in the last 12 months so i'm not allowing that excuse to pass, sorry.

Yes, I can sympathise with losing Gus, Brooks and COH, but he hasn't even tried to replace with similar profiles (even if incomers are not at the same ability level). Phillips I can get behind as he could be a game changer if fit but Choudhury (who won't be cheap on wages) to fill in at RB after Doherty was signed to play there in the absence of Seriki is frankly absurd.

The squad is poorly assembled (why do we have 6/7 centre mids and only 1 left winger in BBD?)
This isn't the first time it's been top heavy in his time here either.

It's not mine or anybody else's job on here to recommend an alternative, you would hope someone at the football club would be keeping track of potential successors regardless of the success/lack of the current incumbent. It's what good clubs do.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

There's loads of managers who could manage us better than Wilder.

The problem however is that getting rid of Wilder carries a massive risk.

Because there's loads of managers who could manage us worse than Wilder.

Long term, we all know he needs to go but for now we're being held hostage by him because of the predicament we're in.

It's all well and good pulling the trigger on Wilder but you better be damn sure the guy you're bringing in can do the business.

If it goes tits up we're back in League One.

We are in the process of heading there with him in charge unless he gives his head a wobble.

 

[Cheeky Blade]

If/when he does go we need to think seriously how to properly replace him, in all aspects.

I imagine that replacement is already at the club.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Remember arsenal were going know where and brought in Wenger he changed the club culture from top to bottom.
I think that's where we are now.
Thank you Chris for the good times but with these owners it's going to be a steady decline.

To continue that analogy, when Emery replaced Wenger and it went tits up, the Arsenal hierarchy didn't go running back to Wenger and begging him to come back? They went out and got another young, progressive coach and back him ....