Redemption

[Need4speed]

Is it possible for a player to win Wilder over once he has decided that he doesn't want the player? Can McGuinness do this? Are there any past players who have done this?

 

[MobileBlade]

Paul Coutts. End of thread.

 

[GrunkyPeep]

Is it possible for a player to win Wilder over once he has decided that he doesn't want the player? Can McGuinness do this? Are there any past players who have done this?

Tin foil hat time but it's possible CW saying McGuinness didn't have a future here was the target McGuinness needed to up his game. Could have been a man management master stroke.

Or I'm talking bollocks of course.

 

[Bobby Boo]

A bit of light entertainment before the Wilder lovers/haters hit the thread.

 

[Davalon]

Disappointed this isn't about Abbeydale's gingery pale beer

 

[Dimyan93]

Very first thing he did in his first tenure was put K Freeman on the transfer list, ended up having his best season and signed a new contract for another 3 years (where Baldock overtook him). But he still got another 3 years on the back of being transfer listed!

 

[Need4speed]

Very first thing he did in his first tenure was put K Freeman on the transfer list, ended up having his best season and signed a new contract for another 3 years (where Baldock overtook him). But he still got another 3 years on the back of being transfer listed!

Oh yes! What a strange player he was that season. Kept popping up all over the place and scoring. Loved him.

 

[Down the Channels]

Oh yes! What a strange player he was that season. Kept popping up all over the place and scoring. Loved him.

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[Down the Channels]

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Not sure how to attach this better!! #luddite

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Sharp and Duffy.

Wilder tried numerous times to phase them both out before realising his mistake.

Mainly during the 2017-18 season.

 

[SwissBlade]

Is it possible for a player to win Wilder over once he has decided that he doesn't want the player? Can McGuinness do this? Are there any past players who have done this?

I think wilder and the team continually look at what we’ve got and try to use them in the best way for the team. Think it was the case with Lundstram, barely used before we got to the premier league and then was the first name on the team sheet.

Hes also not afraid to move players on if they don’t end up being the player he thought they were when he signed them.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

A bit of light entertainment before the Wilder lovers/haters hit the thread.

Why is there a third way?

 

[VictoryBlade]

Oh yes! What a strange player he was that season. Kept popping up all over the place and scoring. Loved him.

He also swore at Atkins so a good guy in my book!

 

[Sheffsteel]

Paul Coutts. End of thread.

Yeh remember Wilder saying that on day 1 of his management telling Coutts he wasn’t in his plans but the door remained open to change his mind.
Even I wasn’t impressed with Coutts but his quick transformation playing simple pass and move football was fantastic to see.
Just shows you can never write players off.

 

[ATL Recs]

Yeh remember Wilder saying that on day 1 of his management telling Coutts he wasn’t in his plans but the door remained open to change his mind.
Even I wasn’t impressed with Coutts but his quick transformation playing simple pass and move football was fantastic to see.
Just shows you can never write players off.

For a season and a third he was a joy to watch. That night at Burton felt like a death in the family. I remember his return at Blackburn away came on in second half but never got back to that level, who knows if he hadn't had the leg break. His stats were off the scale

 

[Slim Man]

Making me laugh seeing McGuiness being compared to some of these players

No

 

[UddersBlade]

Paul Coutts. End of thread.

Yeah - spot on. I think Coutts was on the transfer list all summer - but he really stepped up & became irreplaceable that season 2016/17

 

[ThirdGenBlade]

Disappointed this isn't about Abbeydale's gingery pale beer

The title was clearly a Deception!

 

[CPB]

Paul Coutts. End of thread.

Snap.

 

[diode_blade]

Yes players can win managers over, by true grit, determination and working their gonads off.
It's up to the player though and his belief in himself.

 

[William Large]

For a season and a third he was a joy to watch. That night at Burton felt like a death in the family. I remember his return at Blackburn away came on in second half but never got back to that level, who knows if he hadn't had the leg break. His stats were off the scale

I always thought he looked like a decent player but was regularly played out of position prior to Wilder.
Completely agree with the above, was superb for that period.

 

[Need4speed]

The opposite happened with Duffy, still think that was a tragedy

 

[ben1987]

Apart from the others mentioned he had also had a ding dong with Vini Souza and then he ended up being a key player for us in that season.

 

[Espania blade]

Think "mind games"

 

[Need4speed]

Thinking - his relationship with Duffy was always a bit off - he didn't start the bouncing game day despite us being quite injury hit. I saw an interview with Duffy in which he said he was furious, even when he eventually came on and that contribute to "the goal"

 

[Tom Bott]

it's possible CW saying McGuinness didn't have a future here was the target McGuinness needed to up his game.

Or if your a Wilder out type you call it throwing him under the bus.

 

[Tom Bott]

The title was clearly a Deception!

I hope you're not expecting Absolution for that pun, brewery 30 years old this year.

 

[Godbeblade]

I see your tin foil hat and raise a tin foil sombrero;

I have a theory that Mark McGuinness defines our season.

Scenario 1- McGuinness plays well, we dont need a CB as much as we thought, we strengthen other positions making us a better football team and do fairly well this season

Scenario 2- McGuinness is sold/moved on, we bring in a replacement CB who forms a solid pairing with Tanganga and we do quite well

Scenario 3- finances demand we keep hold of McGuinness, have to play him every week because we've only got baptiste on the bench to replace him, our defensively solid start so far deteriorates and it's all a bit 'nail bitey' come the end of the season.

Scenario 4- We bring someone in, McGuinness plays well on the few occasions he plays

Scenario 5- all goes pear-shaped, decent championship centre forwards pull him to bits and it's a relegation dog fight regardless of any points deductions

who knows... i could also be talking bollocks

Tin foil hat time but it's possible CW saying McGuinness didn't have a future here was the target McGuinness needed to up his game. Could have been a man management master stroke.

Or I'm talking bollocks of course.

 

[Northernsoulblade]

Yeah absolute bolloxs but a nice read

 

[Rudders]

Thinking - his relationship with Duffy was always a bit off - he didn't start the bouncing game day despite us being quite injury hit. I saw an interview with Duffy in which he said he was furious, even when he eventually came on and that contribute to "the goal"

I know Duff is rightly lauded for that goal but managing a feisty ginger haired small scouser with massive self confidence would be testing even for peak Guardiola. Think by and large Wilder got it right, albeit should have kept him for a sub role in the prem, but that obvs wasn’t what Duff saw his role being