Player Suggestion Souttar played and scored last night

[Millhousesblade1889]

Who have we been linked with? Brereton-Diaz, who has more yellow cards than goals across the last two championship seasons?



Accounts for 30-ish goals, where's the other 30-40 we need coming from?



Genuinely baffles me how anyone thinks it'll be any different to last season. We've joined Preston & Stoke.

I didn’t say I do, I just don’t get why you’re ready to give up before a balls kicked. Half of the enjoyment about a new season is the unknown.

 

[Keen Blade]

Must be close to a record fee for a League One player.
Chuck in he's injury prone and the selling club is very broke, Leicester have played a blinder.

Especially when there doesn't seem to be any competition in the market for him.
Boro hinted they might be interested in Cannon and we shit ourselves and signed him.
They'd probably scouted him and thought "dem daft Blades are one of our rivals - let's play the stalking horse and really fuck them up"

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

We also had more players who could create and score now we don’t have any

Our front 4 was Rak Sakyi or Brooks - O’hare - Hamer
Campbell / Moore

We have 2 of the 6 still here. You could argue Bamford is a pretty good alternative to Campbell.

The wingers we’re definitely light on, but we’ve got time to sort it out & the board / wilder know it needs to be sorted.

Onè, Donovan are decent enough back ups. Two more wingers, 1 or 2 centre backs and I think we’re in a good position

 

[de g.]

We paid £15m for Hamer and got less than half back.
We paid £23m for Brewster and got nowt.
We paid £17m for McBurnie and got nowt.
We paid £8m for Mousset and got nowt.
We paid £ms for Cannon and he's worth nowt to anyone but Preston ...
And we refuse to sell him.
If dem Blades were market traders they'd be Barings Bank and Wilder would be our Nick Leeson.
No wonder we're in the shit.
And our owners are stupid.
They say their business plan is based on successful player-trading.
And they have the Bettis/Wilder axis in charge.
Watching it unfold is almost unbearable.
If we sell Oné and keep Cannon , I might need medical help to keep using my ST.

We paid £15m for Hamer, and got 120 or so games out of him before selling for less than half what we paid.
We paid £23m for Brewster and his contributions helped us get promoted to the PL in 22/23.
We paid £17m for McBurnie and his 13 goals helped us get promoted in 22/23.
We paid £8m for Mousset and his goals contributed to Sheffield United achieving our highest league finish in anyone's recent memory.

And then your convenient omissions:
We paid nothing for Brooks, he sold for £8m. We paid nothing for Lankshear, we'll likely have made something like £4m off him cumulatively. We paid nothing for Brooks (D). We paid nothing for Peck who'll go for £10m-15m.

Player purchases are primarily about making the team better for the now and the immediate future. For the most part, players don't sign contract extensions because their earning potential as higher than the extra we can evenly offer them.

This is the reality of football - money spent on transfers is a sunk cost we shouldn't expect to get back.

 

[ckpe147]

i know people have a problem with the fee. I have problem with almost every fee but me complaining that almost every footballer is now triple what their worth is going to change the market

but I do have stats from the 24/25. pre injury & post injury

Souttar & Anel 11 conceded in 22
Robinson & Anel 26 conceded in 24

thats why we want him. as in my opinion our defence has never been the same

How many games had Vini and Oli in front of both partnerships together? I think that would have had a big part to play, as we would have controlled games a lot more.

 

[Keen Blade]

HMS piss the league etc…

A players true value is what other clubs are willing to spend on them. Unfortunately blades desperately need a top end champ CB with experience and Souttar fits that perfectly, so we’re paying a premium.

Saying that…I can’t believe the fee is 10 mil, unless he’s signing a really long contract. 6-7 mil and it’s a great deal that suits everyone.

What worries me most is he’s got zero resale value. These owners are weird. Shoot from the hip in random moments and the bullet normally lands in their own foot.

This does stink of wilder pushing the ownership and convincing them that this season depends on spending large sums on Souttar. CW has got history and seems very competent at convincing thick rich people to spend large amounts of money on half decent championship players.

The reason that so many clamour for a DoF is that Wilder is just one human and can't be perfect.
Bettis , who is the most senior executive and the only UK based director is NOT a football man who can provide helpful , independent & wise counsel.
He's his old mate and a pushover on transfers.
The owners - as we know - are clueless - so there's a huge hole where there should have been a management control process over the (at least) half £billion of income since 2019.
And the result has been a very patchy recruitment pattern , both in terms of football strategy and financial loss.

 

[Carlton Blade]

11 goals conceded in 22 games up until his boxing day injury. 0.5 GA per game

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Only 1 team in Championship history has conceded less than 29 in a season. United and Burnley both had top 5 points per goal scored in Championship history.

As 19/20 to 20/21 showed, relying on outlier defensive performances to repeat is a sure way to fuck up

He's a good player. United will still likely concede 40+

 

[Harrisblade]

I didn’t say I do, I just don’t get why you’re ready to give up before a balls kicked. Half of the enjoyment about a new season is the unknown.

What's enjoyment got to do with it?
Some people set out to be professional moaners and that’s really what they like.
Given the opportunity they'll see the half full glass and empty it down the drain.

 

[SUFC Guy]

So hasn’t played a full season for nearly 6 years.

Not the slam dunk you think it is that one.

It is 3 times more appearences than the statement I was referring to.

Still an excellent signing despite what some people think.

It's almost as though they can't wait for Souttar to break down with a career ending injury

 

[Keen Blade]

We paid £15m for Hamer, and got 120 or so games out of him before selling for less than half what we paid.
We paid £23m for Brewster and his contributions helped us get promoted to the PL in 22/23.
We paid £17m for McBurnie and his 13 goals helped us get promoted in 22/23.
We paid £8m for Mousset and his goals contributed to Sheffield United achieving our highest league finish in anyone's recent memory.

And then your convenient omissions:
We paid nothing for Brooks, he sold for £8m. We paid nothing for Lankshear, we'll likely have made something like £4m off him cumulatively. We paid nothing for Brooks (D). We paid nothing for Peck who'll go for £10m-15m.

Player purchases are primarily about making the team better for the now and the immediate future. For the most part, players don't sign contract extensions because their earning potential as higher than the extra we can evenly offer them.

This is the reality of football - money spent on transfers is a sunk cost we shouldn't expect to get back.

They are not convenient omissions as you allege.
I was talking about player trading in the sense of buying & selling.
What our academy produces has been very good and more than justifies its existence - I can't fault it.
But other clubs but players on their upward trajectory and sell at a profit.
We have barely ever done that , which is a shame and limits our success

 

[Brownieblade]

And yet we consider paying £10m for Souttar ?

He had a good World Cup and plenty of experience at this level, when he was with us first time he looked one of the best defenders we have seen here in quite some time

Passing on him just to save a few million but getting some lower league guy in ??

 

[OLDBLADE43]

Who have we been linked with? Brereton-Diaz, who has more yellow cards than goals across the last two championship seasons?



Accounts for 30-ish goals, where's the other 30-40 we need coming from?



Genuinely baffles me how anyone thinks it'll be any different to last season. We've joined Preston & Stoke.

could have sworn you said ALL the goals not half.

 

[Zeblades34]

He had a good World Cup and plenty of experience at this level, when he was with us first time he looked one of the best defenders we have seen here in quite some time

Passing on him just to save a few million but getting some lower league guy in ??

Whole point of scouting and recruitment though, isn't it? Finding a player at a good age and developing them into better quality and standard of player? I do get what you're saying and that if you want Souttar that badly then pay what is required but how or why can't we buy cheap to eventually, if necessary, sell them on and make a profit?

 

[luffenhamblade]

I think all the teams in the Championship will be alot stronger than Mansfield who i thought were really poor.

Radio Nottingham were really pleased with how Mansfield played and felt it showed that they were ready to perform well this season.

 

[Æthelstan]

He's a good signing if he can last a good chunk of the season is basically what every discussion boils down to in here.

 

[Brownieblade]

Whole point of scouting and recruitment though, isn't it? Finding a player at a good age and developing them into better quality and standard of player? I do get what you're saying and that if you want Souttar that badly then pay what is required but how or why can't we buy cheap to eventually, if necessary, sell them on and make a profit?

I’m not really saying pay whatever, I’m just saying if he stays healthy it’s a decent price

Why we can’t produce a conveyor belt of young talent that we can sell on i don’t know and I agree it would be great

But even producing that conveyor belt shouldn’t stop you from paying 10 million for someone

 

[SB_90]

I think that's more to do with Jack Robinson being the replacement.

does say 2 things yes, jack robinson is useless. but also what a blow he was to lose & id argue we have never recovered since that injury & was all down hill

 

[Grappler]

It will be a grey day if we don’t pull this off and some will be wishing we had the prince back , for others it would be an embarrassment.

I'm almost having a Cardiac Arrest here, waiting for some news, looks like we have more chance of signing Michael Caine than big Harry.

He's taking his time to get here, if he is coming at all, almost as if he is on the Night Boat to Cairo.

 

[raul]

I'm almost having a Cardiac Arrest here, waiting for some news, looks like we have more chance of signing Michael Caine than big Harry.

He's taking his time to get here, if he is coming at all, almost as if he is on the Night Boat to Cairo.

Accom is an issue. I've offered him a room at both Our House and the House Of Fun, but he's more of a Bed and Breakfast Man.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Has he signed yet?

 

[Valley Blade]

They are not convenient omissions as you allege.
I was talking about player trading in the sense of buying & selling.
What our academy produces has been very good and more than justifies its existence - I can't fault it.
But other clubs but players on their upward trajectory and sell at a profit.
We have barely ever done that , which is a shame and limits our success

You can't guarantee an upward trajectory. You make it sound ridiculously easy. Every club would be thriving if it were so.

 

[Blade In Flame]

Fanny wi pes? New Dutch winger?

No, that's when you tinker with ProEvo trying to make it play better.

 

[Irv]

Get behind the Bim Pepple or Abdul Abdulmalik campaigns.
Watched BP last night. Big unit, good feet and an eye for goal.

The reason that so many clamour for a DoF is that Wilder is just one human and can't be perfect.
Bettis , who is the most senior executive and the only UK based director is NOT a football man who can provide helpful , independent & wise counsel.
He's his old mate and a pushover on transfers.
The owners - as we know - are clueless - so there's a huge hole where there should have been a management control process over the (at least) half £billion of income since 2019.
And the result has been a very patchy recruitment pattern , both in terms of football strategy and financial loss.

Bettis has been here since 2016- I would hope he has enough experience now to be counted as a ‘football man’

 

[Maidenhead]

We paid £15m for Hamer and got less than half back.
We paid £23m for Brewster and got nowt.
We paid £17m for McBurnie and got nowt.
We paid £8m for Mousset and got nowt.
We paid £ms for Cannon and he's worth nowt to anyone but Preston ...
And we refuse to sell him.
If dem Blades were market traders they'd be Barings Bank and Wilder would be our Nick Leeson.
No wonder we're in the shit.
And our owners are stupid.
They say their business plan is based on successful player-trading.
And they have the Bettis/Wilder axis in charge.
Watching it unfold is almost unbearable.
If we sell Oné and keep Cannon , I might need medical help to keep using my ST.

So do you think that we should focus on ,maximising profit from player development and sales or winning football matches?

There's obviously a lot of unknown and unforeseeable variables but if a player will help us to win games, and the owners and manager are happy with the price to be paid and still have the room to balance the squad in other areas, then I think that I'd be inclined to go along with their professional judgement.

We'll win some and we'll lose some on both sides (games and gambles) but that's the nature of the beast.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I can't believe how wound up some "experts" on here get over the financials when they know nothing at all about the clubs strategy or finances.

If these owners have spent over £100m, which we know they have, the they will undoubtedly have a strategy whether they communicate it or not.

 

[Zeblades34]

I’m not really saying pay whatever, I’m just saying if he stays healthy it’s a decent price

Why we can’t produce a conveyor belt of young talent that we can sell on i don’t know and I agree it would be great

But even producing that conveyor belt shouldn’t stop you from paying 10 million for someone

I get he were great for us in his loan spell and all that and we somewhat know what we are getting but i think like someone else said earlier leicester have seen a desperation in us and rightly so they can demand whatever fee they want he's their player. Just the fee and the fact he's played an handful of games so not really shown if he's back at the level he were at before

 

[SUFC Guy]

Has he signed yet?

Nah, he pulled his Hammy on the way up here

 

[Jan Age]

I’m not really saying pay whatever, I’m just saying if he stays healthy it’s a decent price

Why we can’t produce a conveyor belt of young talent that we can sell on i don’t know and I agree it would be great

But even producing that conveyor belt shouldn’t stop you from paying 10 million for someone

I think we do relatively well on players breaking through and selling on at a healthy price …

Andre Brookes
Will Osula
David Brooks
Harry Maguire
Kyle Walker
Kyle Naughton
Matt Lawton

Potentially

Peck
One

(Fingers crossed neither are sold)

Only off the top of my head like I’m sure there’s more

Until we are CAT 1 - I think we do well

Last treat we had Arblaster, Peck, Brookes and Femi all in the first time which I love to see and can get behind

 

[joe casey]

I think we do relatively well on players breaking through and selling on at a healthy price …

Andre Brookes
Will Osula
David Brooks
Harry Maguire
Kyle Walker
Kyle Naughton
Matt Lawton

Potentially

Peck
One

(Fingers crossed neither are sold)

Only off the top of my head like I’m sure there’s more

Until we are CAT 1 - I think we do well

Last treat we had Arblaster, Peck, Brookes and Femi all in the first time which I love to see and can get behind

For the level or our academy I'd argue we do this better than a lot of teams.

 

[Keen Blade]

So do you think that we should focus on ,maximising profit from player development and sales or winning football matches?

There's obviously a lot of unknown and unforeseeable variables but if a player will help us to win games, and the owners and manager are happy with the price to be paid and still have the room to balance the squad in other areas, then I think that I'd be inclined to go along with their professional judgement.

We'll win some and we'll lose some on both sides (games and gambles) but that's the nature of the beast.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I can't believe how wound up some "experts" on here get over the financials when they know nothing at all about the clubs strategy or finances.

If these owners have spent over £100m, which we know they have, the they will undoubtedly have a strategy whether they communicate it or not.

According to the Prince , they've not spent that much , not yet
And strategy ? Are you serious ?

 

[Keen Blade]

For the level or our academy I'd argue we do this better than a lot of teams.

Our academy is incredibly successful , no doubt about that.