The World Cup

[Bladesman]

All on Tuchel that.

Would Argentina have parked the bus had they scored first on 55 mins? No

Did Spain against France? No
Would France if they had scored first? No

So disappointing for the players to be on the receiving end of those tactics.

The further we get in a tournament we start to play like we are Accrington at home to Arsenal in the FA cup. Get a goal ahead and defend in the hope that their world class players won't do owt.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

But I really do think the Blades would be that bad in defence. Argentina made England look stupid in the end.

My girlfriend who knows fuck all about football said, "Why do they keep defending?".

As daft as it sounds, it really is as simple as that.

We played like a League One team who had nicked a goal against a Premier League team in an FA Cup tie.

It's fucking braindead tactics, especially when the opposition has the greatest football player of all time on the pitch.

We're playing in a fucking World Cup semi final, you've got to come out a bit and impose yourselves on the game.

It was so painful and predictable to watch yet again it's not even funny.

 

[Wright1889]

Even tuchel didn’t dare grow some. Embarrassingz

 

[10-0 win]

Argies simply much better under pressure

 

[radio]

Actually enjoyed the game, thought Messi was really good ,

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

It's fucking braindead tactics, especially when the opposition has the greatest football player of all time on the pitch.

Et tu PeterNdlovu081 ?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Et tu PeterNdlovu081 ?

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Messi is better than Ronaldo.

Nice try though you pompous dick head.

 

[Davalon]

Didn't see the Falklands flag stuff at the end. Any English based players involved?

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

Didn't see the Falklands flag stuff at the end. Any English based players involved?

That's Lisandro Martinez holding up the far side of the flag I think?

 

[nopigfansintown]

Tuchel is fundamentally a defensive coach. This was the same pattern as every game we've played. A gutsy back to the wall job against Mexico had people suspending their analytical abilities. People were desperate to dub him the anti Southgate before the WC but it's a total myth. He's kept all the better ball players at home unless they have extremely athletic skills too (e.g. Bellingham). He's a counter attacking coach. No Mainoo (the exception ) on again to at least try and keep the ball for a spell.

Going to a back five when they'd worked us over for 15-20 minutes after our goal was total suicide. We couldn't get out to their wide players and midfielders even more and they could just load our box until they scored with the old man having all the time in the world (and no running to do) to expose us. Show us your technique under no pressure Leo!

Our forward players were gassed from chasing the ball rather than hurting them which was totally self destructive. The bs drink break gave him an incredible opportunity to salvage the game and he totally failed to impact the game with personnel or tactical changes. If we sneaked extra time we were bollocksed anyway due to the daft changes; due to that their winner hurts a bit less than it usually would: we were already cooked..

 

[reedy63]

Same Same old England take a one goal lead the go on the defensive.
Messi did nowt until our defence gave all the room he needed.
He was running the show.
The England Manager should get the Sack.
If you want to appoint another foreign manager Get Pep.

 

[BerksBlade]

Tuchel is fundamentally a defensive coach. This was the same pattern as every game we've played. A gutsy back to the wall job against Mexico had people suspending their analytical abilities. People were desperate to dub him the anti Southgate before the WC but it's a total myth. He's kept all the better ball players at home unless they have extremely athletic skills too (e.g. Bellingham). He's a counter attacking coach. No Mainoo (the exception ) on again to at least try and keep the ball for a spell.

Going to a back five when they'd worked us over for 15-20 minutes after our goal was total suicide. We couldn't get out to their wide players and midfielders even more and they could just load our box until they scored with the old man having all the time in the world (and no running to do) to expose us. Show us your technique under no pressure Leo!

Our forward players were gassed from chasing the ball rather than hurting them which was totally self destructive. The bs drink break gave him an incredible opportunity to salvage the game and he totally failed to impact the game with personnel or tactical changes. If we sneaked extra time we were bollocksed anyway due to the daft changes; due to that their winner hurts a bit less than it usually would: we were already cooked..

All of this is true.
Complete and utter fraud of a manager. Even Southgate didn't go that defensive.

 

[Davalon]

That's Lisandro Martinez holding up the far side of the flag I think?

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Can't comment from an Argentinian perspective too much but I find this a bit of an odd way to celebrate.

Enjoy your victory obviously, even though I've never been fond of Argentinian tactics as long as I can remember.

However, the Falklands aren't yours, the inhabitants don't want it to be, and your attempt to take them back ended up in an embarrassing military defeat that even the super powers didn't believe could be so easy.

 

[Champagneblade]

Indeed. We had 12% possession between scoring and Argentina's second.

England had a 216m central midfield but you’ve have thought we had Kalvin Phillips and David Batty in there, the way we went about it.

Needed an outlet, not to invite more pressure. Both ofnm their centre halves were on yellows. We needed then under pressure. Well played as if we had been reduced to 10 men.

Apart from the resoluteness vs Mexico, England seemed to do enough to get this far without reaching anywhere near the performance the players they have should have been able to produce.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

That's Lisandro Martinez holding up the far side of the flag I think?

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I wonder what would have happened if having won, Kane and co had held up a flag saying 'the Falklands are ours?'

Wouldn't have happened of course. We may be abject failures at international football but we have more class than that.

 

[Blademan89]

Tuchel is fundamentally a defensive coach. This was the same pattern as every game we've played. A gutsy back to the wall job against Mexico had people suspending their analytical abilities. People were desperate to dub him the anti Southgate before the WC but it's a total myth. He's kept all the better ball players at home unless they have extremely athletic skills too (e.g. Bellingham). He's a counter attacking coach. No Mainoo (the exception ) on again to at least try and keep the ball for a spell.

Going to a back five when they'd worked us over for 15-20 minutes after our goal was total suicide. We couldn't get out to their wide players and midfielders even more and they could just load our box until they scored with the old man having all the time in the world (and no running to do) to expose us. Show us your technique under no pressure Leo!

Our forward players were gassed from chasing the ball rather than hurting them which was totally self destructive. The bs drink break gave him an incredible opportunity to salvage the game and he totally failed to impact the game with personnel or tactical changes. If we sneaked extra time we were bollocksed anyway due to the daft changes; due to that their winner hurts a bit less than it usually would: we were already cooked..

Hes been terrible all way through with the set up, but it has been glossed over due to winning (wonder where we seen that before).

The fact hes told his players to sit back as soon as we scored from 58th min or so was terribly nieve tactically and a shocking decision. What made it worse is he just stood there and watched it happen, we could all see what was coming but no, he doubled down and brought on more defenders, pathetic management.

Whats annoying is Argentina was poor and couldnt handle our high pressure and high tempo when we took the game to them they struggled. Why would you change that, knowing they would be forcing the ball and creating more space from pushing forward. He should have brought off the wingers and put on like for like to continue the same way.

That was nothing less than shocking & terrible management. That alone he needs to be sacked.

 

[Blademan89]

I wonder what would have happened if having won, Kane and co had held up a flag saying 'the Falklands are ours?'

Wouldn't have happened of course. We may be abject failures at international football but we have more class than that.

Fifa would kick us out and replace with the golden boys team.

 

[Tarqs]

Indeed. We had 12% possession between scoring and Argentina's second.

Amd from the hydration break to the winning goal was apparently only 7.5% with 12 passes completed.

 

[Yogi]

Tuchel correctly identified that when they changed shape they were creating overloads outwide and often one of the CB’s was being dragged out of position to try and help the fullback but at the same time not wanting to fully commit to that and so leaving the fullback still isolated but also leaving gaps in the middle. It was happening with Guehi and Spence on Englands left repeatedly.

The thing that lost England the game was that his solution to that made it worse. When England switched to the 5-3–2 the left sided CB still didn’t want to fully commit to coming across to help out Spence and he lost what cover Gordon had been giving him in front of him. This meant if an Argentine runner could could occupy Spence and pin him back it left a massive hole in Englands formation as Rodgers the player who was playing on the left of the midfield 3 was too central to push out and cover the space in front of Spence quickly.

The player on the pitch who spotted this immediately and almost instinctively was Messi and straightway he drifted out to Englands left sat in that pocket of space and started running the game from there unchallenged.

The switch to 4-5-1 was a desperation measure to try and fix that issue once Tuchel realised just how badly wrong he’d got the switch to 5-3-2. The problem was because of the personnel change he’d made to try and make 5-3-2 work the switch to 5-4-1 was disjointed and once the first goal went in England didn’t have the personnel on the pitch to go again and try and reassert themselves in the game.

All of last night is on the manager England were set up right to start with. Argentina successful were able to proactively change shape and mentality during the game. England weren’t and at the core of that problem was Tuchel getting it wrong at a vital time in the game.

 

[Gimli]

Tuchel correctly identified that when they changed shape they were creating overloads outwide and often one of the CB’s was being dragged out of position to try and help the fullback but at the same time not wanting to fully commit to that and so leaving the fullback still isolated but also leaving gaps in the middle. It was happening with Guehi and Spence on Englands left repeatedly.

The thing that lost England the game was that his solution to that made it worse. When England switched to the 5-3–2 the left sided CB still didn’t want to fully commit to coming across to help out Spence and he lost what cover Gordon had been giving him in front of him. This meant if an Argentine runner could could occupy Spence and pin him back it left a massive hole in Englands formation as Rodgers the player who was playing on the left of the midfield 3 was too central to push out and cover the space in front of Spence quickly.

The player on the pitch who spotted this immediately and almost instinctively was Messi and straightway he drifted out to Englands left sat in that pocket of space and started running the game from there unchallenged.

The switch to 4-5-1 was a desperation measure to try and fix that issue once Tuchel realised just how badly wrong he’d got the switch to 5-3-2. The problem was because of the personnel change he’d made to try and make 5-3-2 work the switch to 5-4-1 was disjointed and once the first goal went in England didn’t have the personnel on the pitch to go again and try and reassert themselves in the game.

All of last night is on the manager England were set up right to start with. Argentina successful were able to proactively change shape and mentality during the game. England weren’t and at the core of that problem was Tuchel getting it wrong at a vital time in the game.

Messi after we scored…

I don’t have a heat map for before we scored but my eyes told me it was much deeper…

 

[SwissBlade]

Tuchel correctly identified that when they changed shape they were creating overloads outwide and often one of the CB’s was being dragged out of position to try and help the fullback but at the same time not wanting to fully commit to that and so leaving the fullback still isolated but also leaving gaps in the middle. It was happening with Guehi and Spence on Englands left repeatedly.

The thing that lost England the game was that his solution to that made it worse. When England switched to the 5-3–2 the left sided CB still didn’t want to fully commit to coming across to help out Spence and he lost what cover Gordon had been giving him in front of him. This meant if an Argentine runner could could occupy Spence and pin him back it left a massive hole in Englands formation as Rodgers the player who was playing on the left of the midfield 3 was too central to push out and cover the space in front of Spence quickly.

The player on the pitch who spotted this immediately and almost instinctively was Messi and straightway he drifted out to Englands left sat in that pocket of space and started running the game from there unchallenged.

The switch to 4-5-1 was a desperation measure to try and fix that issue once Tuchel realised just how badly wrong he’d got the switch to 5-3-2. The problem was because of the personnel change he’d made to try and make 5-3-2 work the switch to 5-4-1 was disjointed and once the first goal went in England didn’t have the personnel on the pitch to go again and try and reassert themselves in the game.

All of last night is on the manager England were set up right to start with. Argentina successful were able to proactively change shape and mentality during the game. England weren’t and at the core of that problem was Tuchel getting it wrong at a vital time in the game.

Lovely work. I didn't see it in that much detail, but yes, Messi found the space he needed and exploited the gaps we'd created ourselves.

One thing which was clear though was that every time Messi got the ball our players seemed to shit it. The difference with Bellingham was that when he got the ball, they swarmed him with 2-3 players, holding him up as long as they could as they hacked away at him. We would fly into Messi and miss him. The end result was the same, both players were fouled, but Argentina seemed to have perfected the art of controlling and coralling the player so that the take down and foul were where they wanted it to be.

 

[Blacksea]

Among all the Wilder tactics stuff being thrown out,one big obvious stood out as a lesson for us to learn not only from that game but from previous seasons that we still have not addressed in our recruitment is to bring in players with the correct mentality and leadership.
England had nothing on the pitch with the attitude to get them through half an hour of football,just like us against Sunderland,and we still have a lot of work to do to identify and integrate such players into our team which is essential for a successful season.
We need at least a couple in midfield and defence and so do England, because the so called stars of the PL just faded into insignificance when their time to write themselves into history came,the so called team of moments were shown up by the actual team and individuals of moments who have proved throughout the tournament that they have a winning mentality and they keep going right to the end and extra time despite anything that has gone on in their games,they come through and produce the style and class to go with the mentality at the business ends of games

 

[232 Bramall Lane]

It was disappointing but nothing like the disappointment I felt after the last play off final.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Same Same old England take a one goal lead the go on the defensive.
Messi did nowt until our defence gave all the room he needed.
He was running the show.
The England Manager should get the Sack.
If you want to appoint another foreign manager Get Pep.

Doesn’t matter who you appoint as manager, they’re going to have to work with English players, and they don’t have the mentality to be winners. The football team reflects the nation.

 

[Blademan89]

Doesn’t matter who you appoint as manager, they’re going to have to work with English players, and they don’t have the mentality to be winners. The football team reflects the nation.

The crop of players we have currently are good enough to win something, but whilst ever we have terrible managers in charge then it wont happen.

Just like sven with that generation of players, this generation of players will be wasted in the hands of southgate & tuchel.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

But I really do think the Blades would be that bad in defence. Argentina made England look stupid in the end.

Oops…I meant wouldn’t be that bag.

 

[mattbianco1]

Harry Kane: "Once we went 1-0 up we seemed to just try to hang on."

No, shit Sherlock. Were you watching from the gantry?

He might aswell have been. He was playing as a quarterback.

That was part of the problem. Should have hooked him for Watkins so we had some pace up front for the counter attack.

 

[mattbianco1]

Their 1st goal came from a corner routine that they did about 4 times

THIS ^^^^

I was shouting at the TV, why have you let them do that again!

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

As soon as O’Reilly came on and mouthed,’4-5-1,’ I thought,’That’s it. The games up.’
Mrs ECL stopped watching at that point. Even she could see that that tactic wasn’t going to work against Argentina.

 

[ATL Recs]

England had a 216m central midfield but you’ve have thought we had Kalvin Phillips and David Batty in there, the way we went about it.

Needed an outlet, not to invite more pressure. Both ofnm their centre halves were on yellows. We needed then under pressure. Well played as if we had been reduced to 10 men.

Apart from the resoluteness vs Mexico, England seemed to do enough to get this far without reaching anywhere near the performance the players they have should have been able to produce.

See that’s the thing individual we have a couple of players that would fit into any of the three other top 4 seeds
The rest are adequate and not as good as they believe they are
Look at the performances of the Argentina player last night who’ve played or do play in our PL