What's keeping the failure wilder in a job?

[Ndiayewillalwaysloveyou]

Accepting and wanting are two totally different things.
I've accepted he's here next season it doesn't mean i want him gone any less.

Yes I know but even when we've won games I still see comments about how much of a wanker he is and we were lucky blah blah blah.

Back the team whoever the manager is. Then again someone on this forum said that Bamford is a prick and wouldn't celebrate any of his goals when he signed.

 

[100% part time blade]

I had a conversation last week with someone who claimed to have been out with a member of staff at the club. So this is almost certainly just made up. But the general gist was Wilder has pretty much had enough of being in football, so whether he’s here or not in the future might end up having nothing to do with fans or the board.

 

[LBA_Blade]

He has a contract until Summer 2027….. he’ll be here until then as the owners are now scared shi&&&less of sacking him and making another catastrophic appointment. However, Wilder will need to achieve play offs next season minimum (top 8 now) or that will be the final chapter here as manager over.

Unless they start making restructure plans of the board next season we will be FUBAR'd as if the plan is just to see out the contract of Wilder without any plan for the future, who are we likely to attract in for his replacement. I guess we could promote a coach in from the club but they have no experience with recruitment, a lot of other managers will need buying out of contracts or will be in the same boat of being a head coach under a technical/football director. If current bottom 3 of the Premier League join us next season, and let's say Southampton get promoted. The table will probably look something like

Spurs
Burnley
Wolves
'Boro
Wrexham (big summer ahead for them too)
Millwall (if they can repeat this season)
Birmingham (big summer ahead for them too)
Potentially us
etc etc

We may have the chance of getting into 8th potentially higher depending on others, providing another team don't have a good summer/fluky signings or have a "double bounce" like Lincoln City or Cardiff City re-joining us. It's a huge summer ahead but also a huge summer behind the scenes too and I hope the board realise that.

 

[Tommy_P]

Another Wilder thread really!

 

[mattbianco1]

I'm still more siding with the idea that Nov-Jan was a purple patch that didn't represent the actual ability of the squad

We went from 23rd Nov to 28th Feb at 1.9PPG... I'm not so sure you can call that a purple patch - it's 43% of the season

 

[CPB]

Bit of a daft thread this.

There is already another one that's accumulated 35 pages about wanting Wilder out.

Brings nothing new to the table other than to have a pop at Wilder, Bettis and Danny Hall. (How anyone thinks Danny Hall makes any difference in our day to day running is beyond me)

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

We went from 23rd Nov to 28th Feb at 1.9PPG... I'm not so sure you can call that a purple patch - it's 43% of the season

You say this as though it's evidence against Wilder. He got a poor team to that level for that period. It doesn't mean we were always good enough to get top 6. You're having a go at him for doing well here.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

Bit of a daft thread this.

There is already another one that's accumulated 35 pages about wanting Wilder out.

Brings nothing new to the table other than to have a pop at Wilder, Bettis and Danny Hall. (How anyone thinks Danny Hall makes any difference in our day to day running is beyond me)

So boring but they're hysterical so will only get worse over the summer.

 

[Blade In Flame]

Majority of fans want him, do you think so?

Yep, it's just on this forum where he's despised. He must have been seen putting a Union Jack flag up outside his house or spotted with a Reform sticker in his car, that's all I can think of.

 

[alcoblade]

Two things :

His sleazy "pally pally" mate Bettis!

The despicable " untruthful" Danny Hall!

Probably scared by the Selles appointment, or worse still looking across the city at your manager, who would make me look like an option?

 

[programmechap]

Probably scared by the Selles appointment, or worse still looking across the city at your manager, who would make me look like an option?

When he was appointed, the minimum requirement was to keep us up. He did that, so he gets another season.

If we're not at least in the play offs next season, he'll go.

One think worth noting is that he's the only manager in the last 20 years to get promotion to the PL without parachute payments.

 

[alcoblade]

When he was appointed, the minimum requirement was to keep us up. He did that, so he gets another season.

If we're not at least in the play offs next season, he'll go.

One think worth noting is that he's the only manager in the last 20 years to get promotion to the PL without parachute payments.

Yes, and with very little money. But it was some time ago and has he still got the knack of unearthing good, cheap youngsters?

The signs are worrying if I'm honest, but I'd allow him next season to try.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I don't necessarily think he or the players shit themselves and I'm still more siding with the idea that Nov-Jan was a purple patch that didn't represent the actual ability of the squad but it is interesting that it was the Boro game where he first started talking about last season and 92 points. I'm not sure if that game spooked him or whether the players just lost confidence but we haven't really played well since. Hopefully it is down to the players and not the manager thinking last seasons way of playing is in any way sustainable.

We played all the bad teams so we won most of them. When we started playing better teams, we stopped winning as many

 

[Carlton Blade]

Most people's view on Wilder, and the club at the minute seems to be

 

[Racing Blade]

I think a lot of blades don’t understand just how real a possibility relegation was this season. Without his signings of Bamford and Jairo I think we’d of been in a pretty big mess. His tally last season would’ve matched Coventry this season but we happened to be up against 2 100 point teams. Do people really not think he’s earned another go at it? Which manager is it you desperately want in? We’ve got a summer of sales and bargain buys on the horizon as we enter a period of financial uncertainty, is this the time to gamble on a new manager? Obvious choice to keep him in for me, don’t understand how it’s even a debate to be honest.

Totally agree. Leicester's plight is an example of where one poor managerial appointment can lead to another if your recruitment team don't know what they are doing.

Put simply, had CW gone there, after our incompetent decision to remove him, Leicester would be playing in the Championship next season.

 

[programmechap]

Yes, and with very little money. But it was some time ago and has he still got the knack of unearthing good, cheap youngsters?

The signs are worrying if I'm honest, but I'd allow him next season to try.

I agree.

Well to remember though we were below Wednesday when he was appointed, with confidence absolutely shot. When we'd lost 8 of the first 9 games (from which position no team had not been relegated I believe) we would all have taken comfortable mid table by March

Hes not done brilliant, but he's done what he had to do, so he's earned another season.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Yep, it's just on this forum where he's despised. He must have been seen putting a Union Jack flag up outside his house or spotted with a Reform sticker in his car, that's all I can think of.

Like it or not, he lost the support of a few when he came out with his "lefties and do gooders" bullshit. Wasn't his smartest move, that.

 

[alcoblade]

Like it or not, he lost the support of a few when he came out with his "lefties and do gooders" bullshit. Wasn't his smartest move, that.

I've never heard him say that - and it's a really stupid thing to say, especially in his position.

 

[LBA_Blade]

When he was appointed, the minimum requirement was to keep us up. He did that, so he gets another season.

If we're not at least in the play offs next season, he'll go.

One think worth noting is that he's the only manager in the last 20 years to get promotion to the PL without parachute payments.

Maybe 19 years if we are splitting hairs as I can't remember Warnock being loaded with cash when he got promoted 20 years ago in 2006

 

[ATL Recs]

When he was appointed, the minimum requirement was to keep us up. He did that, so he gets another season.

If we're not at least in the play offs next season, he'll go.

One think worth noting is that he's the only manager in the last 20 years to get promotion to the PL without parachute payments.

Lampard, David Wagner maybe Alex Neil amongst a few others

 

[Nick Jansky]

I've never heard him say that - and it's a really stupid thing to say, especially in his position.

He said it in an interview during the 20/21 season. Its been referred to on here several times over the years. He can hold whatever political beliefs he wants but, as you say, for someone in his position it was very stupid. Plenty slag Lineker off for the same thing.

 

[ATL Recs]

Maybe 19 years if we are splitting hairs as I can't remember Warnock being loaded with cash when he got promoted 20 years ago in 2006

He means in the championship there's been quite a few in the last 20 years

 

[LBA_Blade]

He means in the championship there's been quite a few in the last 20 years

The quote was "One think worth noting is that he's the only manager in the last 20 years to get promotion to the PL without parachute payments" Referring to Wilder

The Championship was branded as such in 2004, and Warnock was promoted from the Championship in 2006 without parachute payments?

 

[Carlton Blade]

The quote was "One think worth noting is that he's the only manager in the last 20 years to get promotion to the PL without parachute payments" Referring to Wilder

The Championship was branded as such in 2004, and Warnock was promoted from the Championship in 2006 without parachute payments?

Kieran McKenna did it
Rob Edwards did it

 

[ben1987]

Kieran McKenna did it

So did the Sunderland fella last season but I suspect the poster meant only blades manager.

 

[programmechap]

Lampard, David Wagner maybe Alex Neil amongst a few others

I.meant United manager

 

[LSF]

Silky Sabella there are plenty of anti-Wilder threads (many started by you) where Wilder's shortcomings are discussed at length. Why not post on one of those instead of starting a new one?

You seem absolutely obsessed. Did Wilder shag your missus or something?

Up the Aristotle and sans lubricant, the way the sad pig blatantly shows his (blue n white) colours

 

[Menage a petit pois]

Two things :

His sleazy "pally pally" mate Bettis!

The despicable " untruthful" Danny Hall!

Shouldn't you be out of hovel sourcing a hawaiian shirt for the honolulu shit-show brought to you by statistically the worst team in English professional football....??

 

[Sheffsteel]

We had a few disappointing results towards the end of the season true. But we avoided relegation, did the double over the pigs, relegated them and even had a sniff of the play offs.

What short memories some people have. After six games many were saying we were certs for relegation, and would have been very happy with a mid-table finish.

Yes, absolutely shameful that Wilder only steadied the ship and failed to win every game and get promotion to the PL.

Agree….the attention seekers make me laugh how they always predict doom and gloom….and are always wrong.
You’d think they’d learn from experience.

Also so many people seem to complain after the event.

When the new owners came in they did the normal “new owner” trick of wanting to make changes.
It’s natural, when new owners or new management take over…..it’s rare that there’s inactivity.
The normal procedure is to makes changes….a change of direction.

The new owners wanted to move United into the modern age.
They wanted to pick a new highly rated young coach who was willing to be a 1st team coach and not a manager.
Someone who plans tactics embracing the latest technology using in game stats.
In theory it was brave…..but at least you can understand the thought process.

Don’t think Selles had much input regards the players we brought….on paper all decent.
However don’t think there was any thought regards their character and how they would fit into the team.

Selles was quickly sacked as there was a real danger we could be relegated….so the owners decided to bring back Wilder.

Think much of the problem is the mentality of the players…..don’t think some of them are Wilder type players.
I’ve had major concerns this season regards our inconsistency inside the same game.
We can start looking really good, stringing 10 passes together, creating chances, looking like a promotion team.
Then out of the blue ….a defender will make a mistake and we’re 1-0 down.
In previous seasons conceding would be just a blip but this season after conceding we’ve looked shot….lacking confidence struggling to string 3 passes together.
In fact in spells in some games we’ve gone from looking a promotion standard team to looking like a relegation standard team.

It’s baffling how our standards are so up and done and Wilder must take the blame.
It seems like all season Wilder is trying to find out what our best defence is, best midfield 2 and best attack.
In some games the players look like they’re strangers and just met. Also at times the defence is shocking and make basic errors

Overall think we have to give Wilder the Summer to prove himself
And next season we’ll probably be mid table regards spending power…so logically we should finish mid table.
As long as Wilder has us top half next season with a good chance of 8th….then I expect he’ll remain in post.

 

[Aston max]

We had a few disappointing results towards the end of the season true. But we avoided relegation, did the double over the pigs, relegated them and even had a sniff of the play offs.

What short memories some people have. After six games many were saying we were certs for relegation, and would have been very happy with a mid-table finish.

Yes, absolutely shameful that Wilder only steadied the ship and failed to win every game and get promotion to the PL.

Afternoon Chris