What's keeping the failure wilder in a job?

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He has a contract until Summer 2027….. he’ll be here until then as the owners are now scared shi&&&less of sacking him and making another catastrophic appointment. However, Wilder will need to achieve play offs next season minimum (top 8 now) or that will be the final chapter here as manager over.
 
Matters not what we think - owners will decide.
They've made their bed with Bettis & Wilder and we'll have to lay in it.
There's no point changing the manager without having done a root & branch restructure, which includes an assessment of Bettis role and whether he/it can provide the appropriate "control" of and guidance to Wilder , or any football manager or head coach who succeeds him.
 
I think a lot of blades don’t understand just how real a possibility relegation was this season. Without his signings of Bamford and Jairo I think we’d of been in a pretty big mess. His tally last season would’ve matched Coventry this season but we happened to be up against 2 100 point teams. Do people really not think he’s earned another go at it? Which manager is it you desperately want in? We’ve got a summer of sales and bargain buys on the horizon as we enter a period of financial uncertainty, is this the time to gamble on a new manager? Obvious choice to keep him in for me, don’t understand how it’s even a debate to be honest.
 
Because Chris has played a very good long game of telling the fan base that only he can manage it. That he 'gets' the club and that's how it should be going forward, to self protect and buy himself time. Many fell for it.
I'd love to know what went on between him and the owners, club and players whilst he was 'repairing his relationship' with the Prince whilst Hecky was in the dug out.

Also, owners who sh*t the bed and turned back to him when Selles turned out to be a disaster to, hopefully, get some points on the board but also to pander to a noisy fan base who we already knew wouldn't accept anyone but 'one of our own' in the hot seat and to get them back onside.

Rosen's words to the fans said far more than those who were there heard.

I await Danny Hall's book on the true story of the last years of Wilders's tenure.
 



The appetite for change (despite an uninspiring finish and unenthusiastic horizon) is highly tempered by last season's shit show of a reshuffle.
 
For us older folk, who can remember Howard Kendall? Apart from being a manager here he had what turns out to be an unhealthy love affair with Everton. At first doing extremely well winning silverware then he left to eventually go back for a second spell which was ok to then again leave to be be then asked back when Everton were in the relegation zone luckily avoiding the drop but each time he went back the results and the job got worse supporters remembering past success.

History repeating itself in the football cosmos, I just hope that this doesn’t make us a toxic football club of which we had in the seasons in division one.
 
I don't want Wilder to stay long term, but right now, I don't think we should get rid.
The owners gambled badly last season and they are fearful to do it again... and so am I. If the pull the trigger now and get it wrong again, we could be set back absolutely years.

The foundations of the club are still there... just. We have players of value that could be sold to help the rebuild, and i'm sure 2 or 3 will be.

Like him or not, Wilder DOES get the club and he DOES get results. He will (rightly) blame Selles' recruitment for not being able to mount a serious challenge this season, but now he enters last chance saloon - he has 3 summer months to weed out the bad and sign some good.
He will be judged by the owners this coming season and he knows that. It will be his squad and if we're not top 5/6 come Xmas, he'll be treading a fine line. I think if we're lower than that, and the owners back him in the summer, he is out of excuses.

I just hope he finds his mojo. We had a spell November to January where he released the handbrake and we were scoring for fun. I liked that spell. It was great and it felt like his mojo was back. We then got near the play offs and we retreated back into negativity - it's like he has this fear of losing when the pressure mounts which is counterproductive... just go out there and take it to the opposition. The players we have right now are good enough for a top 6 finish if the handbrake had been off all season. It wasn't and it was the negativity in games which ultimately saw us nowhere near... Next season i want the November-January Wilder, or even better - the 2016-2020 version.
 
JT89 said:
By majority do you mean the 100 happy clappers that stayed for the lap of shame on Saturday?
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We had a few disappointing results towards the end of the season true. But we avoided relegation, did the double over the pigs, relegated them and even had a sniff of the play offs.

What short memories some people have. After six games many were saying we were certs for relegation, and would have been very happy with a mid-table finish.

Yes, absolutely shameful that Wilder only steadied the ship and failed to win every game and get promotion to the PL.
 
mattbianco1 said:
I don't want Wilder to stay long term, but right now, I don't think we should get rid.
The owners gambled badly last season and they are fearful to do it again... and so am I. If the pull the trigger now and get it wrong again, we could be set back absolutely years.

The foundations of the club are still there... just. We have players of value that could be sold to help the rebuild, and i'm sure 2 or 3 will be.

Like him or not, Wilder DOES get the club and he DOES get results. He will (rightly) blame Selles' recruitment for not being able to mount a serious challenge this season, but now he enters last chance saloon - he has 3 summer months to weed out the bad and sign some good.
He will be judged by the owners this coming season and he knows that. It will be his squad and if we're not top 5/6 come Xmas, he'll be treading a fine line. I think if we're lower than that, and the owners back him in the summer, he is out of excuses.

I just hope he finds his mojo. We had a spell November to January where he released the handbrake and we were scoring for fun. I liked that spell. It was great and it felt like his mojo was back. We then got near the play offs and we retreated back into negativity - it's like he has this fear of losing when the pressure mounts which is counterproductive... just go out there and take it to the opposition. The players we have right now are good enough for a top 6 finish if the handbrake had been off all season. It wasn't and it was the negativity in games which ultimately saw us nowhere near... Next season i want the November-January Wilder, or even better - the 2016-2020 version.
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Excellent post - captures my thoughts exactly. Maybe apart from - the players we have now are capable of a top 6 finish - I don’t think they are imo , but as you implied- last chance saloon
 
The fact he took over a side that was going down?

We were as bad as any side other than maybe the pigs when he came back and it took a while to turn us around but he did.

Then you add his previous championship history with us. Anyone else out there with that track record waiting?
 
Dinosaur manager with that stupid teeth grin.

Ruining the club so he can sign up injury prone players.
 
Bell4 said:
Excellent post - captures my thoughts exactly. Maybe apart from - the players we have now are capable of a top 6 finish
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This run of results (Nov to Jan) shows we should have been. He then got scared and went back to negativity.

Pigs 3-0
Portsmouth 3-0
Leicester 3-2
Stoke 4-0
Norwich 1-1
WBA 0-2 (probs our worst performance of the season)
Birmingham 3-0
Wrexham 3-5
Stoke 2-1
Leicester 3-1

We then hit new Year with 2 bad results before going the following 9 games, only losing to the then top 2.

Charlton 0-1 (we would've won that with 10-men)
Southampton 0-1
Ipswich 3-1
Millwall 1-1
Oxford 3-1
Boro 1-2
Portsmouth 1-0
Pigs 2-1
Coventry 1-2
QPR 2-0

That's a run of 20 games in a row, almost half a season where we achieved 1.9ppg. Charlton and WBA defeats aside, the other 4 are against top 6 clubs.
1.9ppg over 46 games would have us 2nd now on 87pts.

The squad IS capable, it's just we shit ourselves because we got close to the play offs.
After that QPR game we were 9pts off the play offs and we still had the highlighted teams to play:

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That's when our arse fell out and we went from 1.9ppg over the last 20 games, to 0.9ppg - relegation form (41pts over a season)

WBA 1-1
Norwich 1-2
Birmingham 1-1
Wrexham 1-2
Swansea 3-3
Bristol C 0-1
Hull 2-1
Watford 2-0
Blackburn 1-3
Preston 2-3
I honestly think Wilder shit himself when we got within touching distance of the play offs and went back into the "we must not lose" attitude... if we'd attacked those teams like we did in the previous 20 games, we would have beaten most - WBA, Swansea, Bristol C, Blackburn and Preston - beating those teams would have us level on points with Wrexham now on 70pts

RELEASE THE HANDBRAKE CHRIS!!
 



mattbianco1 said:
This run of results (Nov to Jan) shows we should have been. He then got scared and went back to negativity.

Pigs 3-0
Portsmouth 3-0
Leicester 3-2
Stoke 4-0
Norwich 1-1
WBA 0-2 (probs our worst performance of the season)
Birmingham 3-0
Wrexham 3-5
Stoke 2-1
Leicester 3-1

We then hit new Year with 2 bad results before going the following 9 games, only losing to the then top 2.

Charlton 0-1 (we would've won that with 10-men)
Southampton 0-1
Ipswich 3-1
Millwall 1-1
Oxford 3-1
Boro 1-2
Portsmouth 1-0
Pigs 2-1
Coventry 1-2
QPR 2-0

That's a run of 20 games in a row, almost half a season where we achieved 1.9ppg. Charlton and WBA defeats aside, the other 4 are against top 6 clubs.
1.9ppg over 46 games would have us 2nd now on 87pts.

The squad IS capable, it's just we shit ourselves because we got close to the play offs.
After that QPR game we were 9pts off the play offs and we still had the highlighted teams to play:

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That's when our arse fell out and we went from 1.9ppg over the last 20 games, to 0.9ppg - relegation form (41pts over a season)

WBA 1-1
Norwich 1-2
Birmingham 1-1
Wrexham 1-2
Swansea 3-3
Bristol C 0-1
Hull 2-1
Watford 2-0
Blackburn 1-3
Preston 2-3
I honestly think Wilder shit himself when we got within touching distance of the play offs and went back into the "we must not lose" attitude... if we'd attacked those teams like we did in the previous 20 games, we would have beaten most - WBA, Swansea, Bristol C, Blackburn and Preston - beating those teams would have us level on points with Wrexham now on 70pts

RELEASE THE HANDBRAKE CHRIS!!
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I don't necessarily think he or the players shit themselves and I'm still more siding with the idea that Nov-Jan was a purple patch that didn't represent the actual ability of the squad but it is interesting that it was the Boro game where he first started talking about last season and 92 points. I'm not sure if that game spooked him or whether the players just lost confidence but we haven't really played well since. Hopefully it is down to the players and not the manager thinking last seasons way of playing is in any way sustainable.
 
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