The Vicious Circle of the Third Division

[Pinchy]

Ken Mc,
Ive just had a raging argument with two dummies on my thread 'Why no striker'on EXACTLY the same thing !If a team has no front line strikers (which really we have none !),how the fk can we expect to be up there..it's pure common sense,one even said we won't miss CC,and Bray(Bray was a luxury !)ffs I give up!Ah well we've only had 9 months to sort one or two out,but apparently there is no one out there for us ....

There may well be by 9 August, when it matters.

 

[JOEYDEE]

There may well be by 9 August, when it matters.

I hope you are right pal,i really do ....

 

[Swanseablade]

these theories that selling one player wrecks our chance are frightening , what if any of those mentioned suffered a cruciate ligame injury first 2 games in those seasons , does that mean wed just been unlucky not to go up or still be bad for not replacing them

as to quinn we got 90 points that season , scored shit loads of goals 29 out of 30 seasons wed have won the title with that

I know what you mean but the one recent example that springs to mind is Ched!
Not selling, I admit, but losing him in that particular season did have an impact on how we finished up. I am convinced of that.

 

[Darren]

I'll save myself the trouble and recommend "fit and proper to you".

Aside from:

- the first 18 months of Mcdonalds reign

- the first 3 years of Brearley's reign

- about 2 years of the McCabe era

Whoever has been in charge has penny pinched and sold our best players. Many of our best periods have been when the manager has done well despite, not because of, the board. The Bassett era is the classic example of this.

Anyone who has studied the history of the club can tell you this.

Indeed, but you can put foward two explanations for the perennial "small minded" nature of the people who run the club.

1. We have been amazingly cursed with a succession of total tossers in charge.
2. There is some deeper structural reason.

Being a bit of an historical materialist on the quiet, I go for 2.

 

[sheffielder]

Because other clubs have chairman that say things like this....

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And remind me, which PL club was it we lost our best player to last season? Or was it a team in the same division?

Didn't they sell Dwight whoever to palace last season which cost them promotion?

 

[blader]

Didn't they sell Dwight whoever to palace last season which cost them promotion?

Ah but an £8m offer certainly is too good to turn down for any league 1 club. Bit of a different situation, as they also recruited extremely well with the money. You can buy 4/5 great league 1 players for that. Including Assombalonga for £1.5m, great business.

 

[cooperblade]

Didn't they sell Dwight whoever to palace last season which cost them promotion?

Dwight Gayle, Tommy Rowe, Lee Tomlin - all would've been classed as Peterborough's 'star' players, all have left for bigger and better things in recent times.

Ferguson said they wanted to keep Craig Alcock but they lost him to a bigger, better club - that's football.

 

[cooperblade]

Baldock - Bristol - gone nowhere
Assombalonga - Peterborough - gone nowhere
Mooney - orient - gone nowhere

The teams at the top have kept their best players this far. Maybe it's not the division, but our club?

Do you think the £1,000,000 Orient took from Brentford last month for Odubajo has helped them to keep Mooney (assuming they've had any bids for him)?

 

[Barney Rubble]

Ah but an £8m offer certainly is too good to turn down for any league 1 club. Bit of a different situation, as they also recruited extremely well with the money. You can buy 4/5 great league 1 players for that. Including Assombalonga for £1.5m, great business.

Surely if they'd recruited extremely well they'd have gone straight back up?
And if we'd spent 1.5 million on a player whose only real experience was for a league 2 side and with a record of 15 goals in 43 appearances you'd have still been banging on that we needed a proven goalscorer.

 

[sheffielder]

Ah but an £8m offer certainly is too good to turn down for any league 1 club. Bit of a different situation, as they also recruited extremely well with the money. You can buy 4/5 great league 1 players for that. Including Assombalonga for £1.5m, great business.

Have we done badly with the money?
Are you saying this is a good tactic or bad, because didn' we sign quite a few quality players for this division?
What have they spent this summer?
Alcock?

How the fuck did boro get on last season?

 

[HolmesfieldBlade]

"Even if we get offered 5mil for him we're not interested"

That just says it all to be honest. Maguire was perhaps an anomaly because of the reported interested from Chelsea, Man United, Spurs etc. when there is that level of press surrounding a player its very difficult to keep them happy. Best situation was to sell before his deal ran out.

We're a selling club and always will be.

 

[Darren]

"Even if we get offered 5mil for him we're not interested"

That just says it all to be honest. Maguire was perhaps an anomaly because of the reported interested from Chelsea, Man United, Spurs etc. when there is that level of press surrounding a player its very difficult to keep them happy. Best situation was to sell before his deal ran out.

We're a selling club and always will be.

Every club is a selling club if the price is right. It may well be that United took the view that £2.5M for Maguire could get us 3 good third tier players and thus increase our chances of promotion. AS ever the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

 

[Grecian2000]

I can't believe this has even sparked a debate.

We wrote the book on selling talent, buying rubbish in our trailblazing trip from Div 1 to Div 4 (probably initiated by the selling of Geoff Salmons) in the Seventies.

We have repeated it gloriously over the last few years to the chagrin of anyone who watched us do it that first time (well, those that aren't blinded by the bullshit).

The rule is this, and it's piss simple.

If you sell your good players and replace them with inferior ones, your league position will decline as a result.

After each sale we hear "Good business" "if we re-invest properly" "he's replaceable" et al. It usually isn't, we don't and the replacement isn't as good. Now is the time for the proper replacement/re-investment, if it doesn't happen we are still on the slide.

Here's hoping Nigel has the tools at his disposal to keep last seasons momentum going.

 

[blader]

Have we done badly with the money?
Are you saying this is a good tactic or bad, because didn' we sign quite a few quality players for this division?
What have they spent this summer?
Alcock?

How the fuck did boro get on last season?

These were just examples. Back to the basic point, Assombalonga was boro'a best player and he is sill there. I have a couple of other examples in my first post. Do you not stop to think WHY they haven't been subject to bids? Who wouldn't want a 21 year old striker that scored 33 league 1 goals this season? Yet no one has bid for him. Other clubs know, like you must deep down, we always take the bids for our best llayers.

 

[cooperblade]

Assombalonga was boro'a best player

He was only their best player after they'd sold off players who were better than him. Our best player (whoever you think that is) is still at the club.

 

[Pinchy]

These were just examples. Back to the basic point, Assombalonga was boro'a best player and he is sill there. I have a couple of other examples in my first post. Do you not stop to think WHY they haven't been subject to bids? Who wouldn't want a 21 year old striker that scored 33 league 1 goals this season? Yet no one has bid for him. Other clubs know, like you must deep down, we always take the bids for our best llayers.

You are incredibly naive. You really think a silly remark from a silly man would stop clubs from making an offer for the player? It plainly would not. Not only that, Peterborough would most certainly sell him if offered a reasonable sum (far, far less than £5m).

You really need some help for your strange infatuation with other clubs.

 

[Guesty]

And on the McDonald loss you mention above. Wolves had premiership funding last season and bought their way out of our division. They stand a fantastic chance of going straight through the championship also as that funding is still there (you heard it here first).

You also said they wouldn't win League One last year...

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

These were just examples. Back to the basic point, Assombalonga was boro'a best player and he is sill there. I have a couple of other examples in my first post. Do you not stop to think WHY they haven't been subject to bids? Who wouldn't want a 21 year old striker that scored 33 league 1 goals this season? Yet no one has bid for him. Other clubs know, like you must deep down, we always take the bids for our best llayers.

Totally agree with these statements. However, a few self-indulgences from Barry Fry in the media is no barrier whatsoever to bids being made of whatever value and anyone who thinks it has knows nowt about how football and the transfer system works. I would suggest that a few are watching and monitoring and waiting to see if the promise continues and develops and he's not a one season wonder, much like they have done with Maguire.

No bids = Not good enough or wait and see!

 

[HolmesfieldBlade]

Every club is a selling club if the price is right. It may well be that United took the view that £2.5M for Maguire could get us 3 good third tier players and thus increase our chances of promotion. AS ever the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

Well yes, we'll see. I think after the first 5 or so games we'll all have a pretty good idea where we stand this time.

 

[Darren]

These were just examples. Back to the basic point, Assombalonga was boro'a best player and he is sill there. I have a couple of other examples in my first post. Do you not stop to think WHY they haven't been subject to bids? Who wouldn't want a 21 year old striker that scored 33 league 1 goals this season? Yet no one has bid for him. Other clubs know, like you must deep down, we always take the bids for our best llayers.

Serious question. Do you really think if a PL team offered £4M for Assombalonga, Peterborough (average crowd 6000) would turn them down? That would be getting on for double the money they get through he turnstiles every season.

 

[S5Blade]

Serious question. Do you really think if a PL team offered £4M for Assombalonga, Peterborough (average crowd 6000) would turn them down? That would be getting on for double the money they get through he turnstiles every season.

Of course they would you faaking mug, bazza fry said so.

 

[blader]

Serious question. Do you really think if a PL team offered £4M for Assombalonga, Peterborough (average crowd 6000) would turn them down? That would be getting on for double the money they get through he turnstiles every season.

Maybe not, but there is a reason no one has bid for him. It's certainly not doubt in his ability (that's plain to see), it's not wage deman or age. So why, if not Peterborough's stubbornness in the transfer market?

 

[raul]

The fact that we all appear happy to discuss Pbro whys and wherefore as apparent equals to us should tell you all you need to know about the results of all our excellent bits of business by the club.

Coming next, who has the best Academy, us or Crewe?

 

[Darren]

Maybe not, but there is a reason no one has bid for him. It's certainly not doubt in his ability (that's plain to see), it's not wage deman or age. So why, if not Peterborough's stubbornness in the transfer market?

The only reason is that no-one wants him. I don't think that if any PL club thought he was great they would be intimidated by Peterborough saying he isn't for sale. As we wll know, what a club says means bollocks when a PL club can dangle the filthy lucre before player and club

 

[Darren]

The fact that we all appear happy to discuss Pbro whys and wherefore as apparent equals to us should tell you all you need to know about the results of all our excellent bits of business by the club.

Coming next, who has the best Academy, us or Crewe?

They finoished above us last season, so they are not our equals they are our betters.

That's how low we have fallen :-(

 

[grafikhaus]

Certanties in life - death, taxes and selling our "best" players. Player offered far more money than we can offer, player leaves. Simple

Yeah. Why doesn't anybody ever come in for our 'worst' players? Apart from that, your post could be copied and posted on 95% of clubs' forums. Hasn't anybody been looking at the press and other media all summer? Players leave to go to another club, shock horror.

Every club is a selling club if the price is right. It may well be that United took the view that £2.5M for Maguire could get us 3 good third tier players and thus increase our chances of promotion. As ever the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

Absolutely and I'm certainly glad NC is in charge of recruitment rather than those blindly still banging on about Brayford who would Hoover© up all we got for Maguire and plenty more with absolutely no guarantee of success. It could well be that he 'bought into' the euphoria that was around the club when he was here - certainly near 20k didn't turn up most home games just to watch Brayford. We need a forward and I dare say NC has noticed. As Darren says, no need to get giddy over the HM money, it will buy 2/3 players suited to our level.

 

[kop_blade9]

[QUOTE="blader, post: 628991, member: 2318" We have always been a selling club, it's just the way the club is run.

Imagine if McCabe had come out and said 'I don't care what the offer is, Maguire/McDonald/Quinn/Brown (insert who you want) isn't going anywhere" such as Fry did above, but that seemingly will never change. It's sad but true.[/QUOTE]



How do you keep players who make it quite clear they do not want to be here?
Do you plonk them in the reserves and let them upset the team moral or get rid?

Did we not say that Maguire was going nowhere what ever the bid?
Then it seems that Clough got upset with Maguire for throwing a strop because we would not sell and said "get rid".

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

Maybe not, but there is a reason no one has bid for him. It's certainly not doubt in his ability (that's plain to see), it's not wage deman or age. So why, if not Peterborough's stubbornness in the transfer market?

As said earlier, they either think he's not good enough or it's too early to decide. Thinking it's plucky old Bazza standing up to the big boys is as farcical as TarquinDelouche being a 'Wall Top Boy!

 

[mattbianco1]

You also said they wouldn't win League One last year...

I know but they proved people wrong by loaning out high earners and bought top end L1/decent championship players. I thought their players would want out, which they didn't. They now have players back capable of winning promotion again. I thought they would have their heart and soul ripped which they didn't. I was wrong.

They still have parachute payments too.

 

[TarquinDelouche]

As said earlier, they either think he's not good enough or it's too early to decide. Thinking it's plucky old Bazza standing up to the big boys is as farcical as TarquinDelouche being a 'Wall Top Boy!

Oi. Leave it 'aht.