The Vicious Circle of the Third Division

[mattbianco1]

You are incredibly naive. You really think a silly remark from a silly man would stop clubs from making an offer for the player? It plainly would not. Not only that, Peterborough would most certainly sell him if offered a reasonable sum (far, far less than £5m).

You really need some help for your strange infatuation with other clubs.

I am also struggling to comprehend how people don't understand this?!?

I'm not looking to sell my house but if somebody knocked on my door and offered me £160k, i'd tell them to fuck off (after they'd got back up for knocking without being invited in the first place). Then if they came back and said "ok £200k". I'd be looking for a new house. Now I don't want to move house but everybody has a tipping point.

 

[mattbianco1]

Maybe not, but there is a reason no one has bid for him. It's certainly not doubt in his ability (that's plain to see), it's not wage deman or age. So why, if not Peterborough's stubbornness in the transfer market?

Because it's a gamble?! I'd be delighted if SUFC signed him. But for a top championship or premiership club to come in for him after 1 season in L2 and 1 season in L1 - that is a gamble in anybody's book surely?

 

[davidpinder]

Serious question. Do you really think if a PL team offered £4M for Assombalonga, Peterborough (average crowd 6000) would turn them down? That would be getting on for double the money they get through he turnstiles every season.

Thats exactly right, does anyone believe Barry Fry ?? that was simply to keep fans happy because they haven't exactly strengthened there side this summer.

 

[davidpinder]

I have enjoyed reading the last 5 pages on this thread, i have to pick up on the first post that read Harry Maguire our best player?? Sorry but a lad who makes as many mistakes as he does, doesn't want to best classed as your best player i hope. I for one think for once we made the right decision selling Maguire he wanted out and i think we got over the odds for him. Both Collins and Maguire weren't mobile enough last season and i am happy for one to leave and we got 10 times more than we would for collins. Many will not agree with what i am saying but i am entitled to my opinion i thought Murphy, Flynn, Coady and Howard all had better seasons than Harry last year and i believe we are just 2 players short of a really side young and hungry players that want to win. I think Clough has done well with what is obviously a small budget still, we don't really have any cash for players but the sale of Harry will mean we shouldn't have to sell others. Face it guys we haven't a pot to piss in still but luckily we have players like Harry coming from the academy that attract premier league clubs.

In clough we trust, In the board we don't

UTB

 

[moDtheGod]

Anyone who has studied the history of the club can tell you this.

Anyone who has studied the history of the club can also tell you that the club had been running for a long time before the examples you cited and it will, all being well, continue to run for a long time in to the future.

So basically, when you said "always have been, always will be", you were talking nonsense?

 

[wizadry]

Because it's a gamble?! I'd be delighted if SUFC signed him. But for a top championship or premiership club to come in for him after 1 season in L2 and 1 season in L1 - that is a gamble in anybody's book surely?

Maguire is a gamble to Hull ain't it?

 

[mattbianco1]

Maguire is a gamble to Hull ain't it?

Yes somewhat. In the same way Lowton was for Aston Villa. Lowton had played 1 season in Champ and 1 season in L1. Maguire has had 3 consistent seasons in L1. However, he mixed it up on numerous occasions with the "big boys" to prove his worth for me (Aston Villa, Hull, Charlton, Forest). I guess scouts were there at all of them.

 

[wizadry]

Yes somewhat. In the same way Lowton was for Aston Villa. Lowton had played 1 season in Champ and 1 season in L1. Maguire has had 3 consistent seasons in L1. However, he mixed it up on numerous occasions with the "big boys" to prove his worth for me (Aston Villa, Hull, Charlton, Forest). I guess scouts were there at all of them.

There are always strikers who have one good season and score goals,then move on to bigger things,i think thats what will happen with Assombalonga,certainly before the end of August anyway.I wouldn't mind us putting a cheeky 1.5 mill bid in just to get Assombalonga's attention,he can then do a maguire has some have put it,although i have different opinions,and eventually ends up at us.

edit:just to shut that fat twat up fryman pieman.

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

We've done this to death before. Maybe selling Maguire makes sense, if we use the money on Brayford, Coady and a striker then i'd say it's a great bit of business. But when does that ever happen? We never need to sell, but we always do. We always have money from those player sales, yet we never use it buy players. It's hardly surprising a lot of fans are very cynical about it all. Unless the money is spent, or at least 75% of it, then what other conclusion is there to reach except the board are full of bullshit?

 

[blader]

I have enjoyed reading the last 5 pages on this thread, i have to pick up on the first post that read Harry Maguire our best player?? Sorry but a lad who makes as many mistakes as he does, doesn't want to best classed as your best player i hope. I for one think for once we made the right decision selling Maguire he wanted out and i think we got over the odds for him. Both Collins and Maguire weren't mobile enough last season and i am happy for one to leave and we got 10 times more than we would for collins. Many will not agree with what i am saying but i am entitled to my opinion i thought Murphy, Flynn, Coady and Howard all had better seasons than Harry last year and i believe we are just 2 players short of a really side young and hungry players that want to win. I think Clough has done well with what is obviously a small budget still, we don't really have any cash for players but the sale of Harry will mean we shouldn't have to sell others. Face it guys we haven't a pot to piss in still but luckily we have players like Harry coming from the academy that attract premier league clubs.

In clough we trust, In the board we don't

UTB

Need to pic you up on this. Not only
Did harry monopolise EVERY award at our club awards night, he was also the only representative of sheff utd in the pfa team of the year.

Also, some of your calls for having a better season than Harry are woeful!

1. Murphy was told he could leave in jan, until he fought his way back into the team and had a good second half of the season.

2. Flynn, really?

3. Coady not our player, so clearly can't be classed as our best player

4. When did Howard get in the team?? It was about February wasn't it? How can that constitute a better season that Harry? The mind boggles!

We can debate whether the transfer was good or bad business, but to argue that magi row was anything other than our best player last season just doesn't stand up as an argument to me. Don't flrget, Maguire was still good even when we were dross under weir!

 

[wizadry]

We've done this to death before. Maybe selling Maguire makes sense, if we use the money on Brayford, Coady and a striker then i'd say it's a great bit of business. But when does that ever happen? We never need to sell, but we always do. We always have money from those player sales, yet we never use it buy players. It's hardly surprising a lot of fans are very cynical about it all. Unless the money is spent, or at least 75% of it, then what other conclusion is there to reach except the board are full of bullshit?

Good point you make of 75% of the money spent,we don't want to spend all the money,save some for a rainy day and all that.Out of atleast 4 million which we must have,i'd say 3 million spent on 2-3 players of good quality for our respective league would be ok.

 

[wizadry]

Don't flrget, Maguire was still good even when we were dross under weir!

Maguire was not good under Weir,no one was,Collins had to get him out of shit on a numerous of occasions in the first half of the season although he wasn't much better.

 

[mattbianco1]

3. Coady not our player, so clearly can't be classed as our best player

My mind boggles with some of the stuff you post.
Did Coady wear Sheffield United's stripes last season? Therefore of course he can be classed as our player. If Lionel Messi played for us on loan and was the league's leading scorer, would he be allowed to be voted our best player?

 

[blader]

Maguire was not good under Weir,no one was,Collins had to get him out of shit on a numerous of occasions in the first half of the season although he wasn't much better.

Hmm I'm not sure, might be some selective memory there. Maybe call it best of a bad bunch, but I'm pretty sure it even became almost a running joke with my old man under weir walking out of bramall lane going

'Man of the match? Yep, shock, harry again!'

Do you thnk he was our best player wiz?

 

[blader]

My mind boggles with some of the stuff you post.
Did Coady wear Sheffield United's stripes last season? Therefore of course he can be classed as our player. If Lionel Messi played for us on loan and was the league's leading scorer, would he be allowed to be voted our best player?

The threads about selling our best player mate. How can we sell coady when we don't own him? Maguire was our best 'asset' and we sold him. Even if you think coady was our best player, we've lost him as well!

 

[mattbianco1]

For me, our season didn't start until October.

From December onwards Murphy, Coady, Doyle & Flynn were easily four of our best performers. From January, Brayford (obviously) was another fantastic performer.

Scougal showed promise, Baxter showed flashes of brilliance but nowhere near the best performers. I think Baxter has a big season in front of him this year.

I would say Maguire had a good season but probably wasn't the player of the year for me. Maybe he got into the PFA team of the year in the same way Lionel Messi won the golden ball award at the World Cup? Because of his reputation.

 

[mattbianco1]

The threads about selling our best player mate. How can we sell coady when we don't own him? Maguire was our best 'asset' and we sold him. Even if you think coady was our best player, we've lost him as well!

You must have a big shovel. You can twist things how you want. davidpinder said that he thought Murphy, Flynn, Coady & Howard all had better seasons than Harry Maguire. I would probably agree with him based on my post above^^^

Now you're flipping it around to best asset?!

Conor Coady and John Brayford were by far two of our best performers last season but if you want to change the award so that only players owned by SUFC can win, i would've voted Murphy.

I'd say our best 'asset' is Bramall Lane.

 

[Grecian2000]

I'd say our best 'asset' is Bramall Lane.

Who's is it?

When did a forward manged to overtake Harry as our TOP SCORER last season? About March wasn't it?

 

[Pinchy]

I believe Maguire was rightly "Player of the Year". His improvement under NC was significant and substantial.

However, in all the prevailing circumstances, including the fee, his limited remaining contract and latterly his attitude, the club were right to sell him. He's now the Hull defender Maguire, nothing more Bladey than that. I wish him neither well nor harm. We move on.

 

[Grecian2000]

I believe Maguire was rightly "Player of the Year". His improvement under NC was significant and substantial.

However, in all the prevailing circumstances, including the fee, his limited remaining contract and latterly his attitude, the club were right to sell him. He's now the Hull defender Maguire, nothing more Bladey than that. I wish him neither well nor harm. We move on.

Indeed. Does piss me off when people want to re-write history and play down the fact he was a good player (and if not our very best then certainly one of them) just because he's gone.

 

[Revolution]

Anyone who has studied the history of the club can also tell you that the club had been running for a long time before the examples you cited and it will, all being well, continue to run for a long time in to the future.

So basically, when you said "always have been, always will be", you were talking nonsense?

No. It's existed a long time, and been run for a long time, but it's been run by a series of administrations who, on the whole, have had little vision (or given up after a couple of years, at best) and who have continually sold our best players to the clubs detriment.

The evidence is there for all to see. We have the largest crowds in the third tier and roll over for a sum of money that is chicken feed for a PL team and which we were told we do not need - debt free, remember?

And it's been like that for generations. To give just one example, the parallels between the sales of Jimmy Dunne and Brian Deane, 60 years apart, are striking.

 

[wizadry]

Hmm I'm not sure, might be some selective memory there. Maybe call it best of a bad bunch, but I'm pretty sure it even became almost a running joke with my old man under weir walking out of bramall lane going

'Man of the match? Yep, shock, harry again!'

Do you thnk he was our best player wiz?

People have favourites and obviously Harry was yours because as i said,Collins definately got him out of some shit and i can assure you,Collins is no favourite of mine by any stretch of the imagination but thats just my view of that shity first half of last season.

Do i think he was our best player in the first half of last season,no, nobody was.

 

[mattbianco1]

Who's is it?

When did a forward manged to overtake Harry as our TOP SCORER last season? About March wasn't it?

That's not even an argument. Just because we were non-existent in front of goal doesn't mean we can automatically give the CB the award because he scored lot's.

Anyway, let's get back on topic. We sold one of our best players for a very reasonable price. I don't know why everybody is getting so worked up. For once we have held firm until we could hold no longer. Wasn't the first bid £500k? To put this into perspective, Cardiff City have just sold Fraizer Campbell (their leading scorer) for £900k. He was their leading scorer as a premiership club.

To add further to this argument that only SUFC sell their best players. This clearly isn't true.

Diego Costa - Atletico Madrid's highest scorer and La Liga's 3rd leading scorer behind Ronaldo and Messi. SOLD
Alexis Sanchez - Barcelona's 2nd leading scorer and La Liga's 4th leading scorer. SOLD.

add to that Arsenal have just lost Bacary Sagna. Liverpool have lost Suarez. Southampton have lost everything but their tea lady.

If you have something good, somebody else will want it. In this day and age in football agents and players are more to blame than the clubs for most of the sales. Gone are the days where Brian Clough would've just told teams to bollocks.

IF John Brayford pulls on a United shirt this season - that is a sign that at least one player still plays the game he loves for reasons other than money. There is no way we can afford him unless he takes an astronomical drop in salary.

 

[mattbianco1]

People have favourites and obviously Harry was yours because as i said,Collins definately got him out of some shit and i can assure you,Collins is no favourite of mine by any stretch of the imagination but thats just my view of that shity first half of last season.

Do i think he was our best player in the first half of last season,no, nobody was.

The season before last when Collins got injured, we fell way off the pace. When he came back we started picking up results again. Maguire fed off Collins' experience big time.

 

[Darren]

That's not even an argument. Just because we were non-existent in front of goal doesn't mean we can automatically give the CB the award because he scored lot's.

Anyway, let's get back on topic. We sold one of our best players for a very reasonable price. I don't know why everybody is getting so worked up. For once we have held firm until we could hold no longer. Wasn't the first bid £500k? To put this into perspective, Cardiff City have just sold Fraizer Campbell (their leading scorer) for £900k. He was their leading scorer as a premiership club.

To add further to this argument that only SUFC sell their best players. This clearly isn't true.

Diego Costa - Atletico Madrid's highest scorer and La Liga's 3rd leading scorer behind Ronaldo and Messi. SOLD
Alexis Sanchez - Barcelona's 2nd leading scorer and La Liga's 4th leading scorer. SOLD.

add to that Arsenal have just lost Bacary Sagna. Liverpool have lost Suarez. Southampton have lost everything but their tea lady.

If you have something good, somebody else will want it. In this day and age in football agents and players are more to blame than the clubs for most of the sales. Gone are the days where Brian Clough would've just told teams to bollocks.

IF John Brayford pulls on a United shirt this season - that is a sign that at least one player still plays the game he loves for reasons other than money. There is no way we can afford him unless he takes an astronomical drop in salary.

Indeed, people can always come up with the odd example where teams did not sell players under contract when bids were made but the reality is that (a) where another club offers tons more wages; (b) where the player wants to go and (c) where the price is a good one, on 95% of occasions the player will be sold. As you pointed out, being one of the top clubs in the world does not make you immune to that.

We all have a myopia thinking our club is somehow different - whether in a good or bad way - it isn't, SUFC behave much as any other club does.

 

[Grecian2000]

That's not even an argument.

But "For me, our season didn't start until October" and so you'll only take performances after that is? Really?

People are getting "worked up" because it's a regular debate and not this particular transfer in isolation (as it can't be because this particular round of dealing hasn't worked itself through yet). You regularly describe our outgoing transfers as "replaceable" and have done for a few seasons. Each time the club prove you wrong by replacing them with inferior players and sliding a little bit further back.
We've done it before in the Seventies and we're doing it again, this is our chance to re-invest and stop the rot that you obviously are unaware of.

As I said earlier in the thread let's hope Nigel is given the tools to make this season one of movement forward rather than the last 7 of decline.

 

[mattbianco1]

But "For me, our season didn't start until October" and so you'll only take performances after that is? Really?

People are getting "worked up" because it's a regular debate and not this particular transfer in isolation (as it can't be because this particular round of dealing hasn't worked itself through yet). You regularly describe our outgoing transfers as "replaceable" and have done for a few seasons. Each time the club prove you wrong by replacing them with inferior players and sliding a little bit further back.
We've done it before in the Seventies and we're doing it again, this is our chance to re-invest and stop the rot that you obviously are unaware of.

As I said earlier in the thread let's hope Nigel is given the tools to make this season one of movement forward rather than the last 7 of decline.

Technically all players are "replaceable".

 

[blader]

You must have a big shovel. You can twist things how you want. davidpinder said that he thought Murphy, Flynn, Coady & Howard all had better seasons than Harry Maguire. I would probably agree with him based on my post above^^^

Now you're flipping it around to best asset?!

Conor Coady and John Brayford were by far two of our best performers last season but if you want to change the award so that only players owned by SUFC can win, i would've voted Murphy.

I'd say our best 'asset' is Bramall Lane.

Maguire won fans player of the year, and now there's plenty fans on here saying he wasn't the best player. Why's changed? His club is the mainreason! Maguire was votes our best player by a majority of fans, he was also selected by an independent body, which said he was one of the best two centra backs in the league. He has now got a £2m pound move to a premier league outfit.

What did murphy win? The 'mattbianco thinks he was the best award' as far as I can see. I'm not saying you're wrong, football is about opinion, but the evidence is overwhelmingly in favour of Maguire being our best player last season.

 

[Rodley]

Well I'm looking forward to next season!

 

[mattbianco1]

Maguire won fans player of the year, and now there's plenty fans on here saying he wasn't the best player. Why's changed? His club is the mainreason! Maguire was votes our best player by a majority of fans, he was also selected by an independent body, which said he was one of the best two centra backs in the league. He has now got a £2m pound move to a premier league outfit.

What did murphy win? The 'mattbianco thinks he was the best award' as far as I can see. I'm not saying you're wrong, football is about opinion, but the evidence is overwhelmingly in favour of Maguire being our best player last season.

How many fans voted can you tell me that? Was it 10? Was it 10k? I know I didn't vote. Was a percentage of votes shown? Who came 2nd? Who came 3rd?

Genuine questions which I have no idea of the answers. If you don't know, please don't pretend to. If you do, please tell me.