If Wilder is sacked….

[PeterNdlovu081]

I’d like to put forward:

KJETIL KNUTSEN (Norwegian)

How many lagers can he sup and what's he like at badge thumping?

 

[reedy63]

I expect Chris Wilder to sign players who can play full tilt 90-plus minutes and have attacking tactics.
Like when He took the manager's job in 2016. make up proud to be Blades. If the American owners/directors back him.
Chris Wilder will get the players who will be promoted automatically next season.

 

[MayorOJC]

Jens Berthel Askou at Motherwell would be interesting. I'm a fan of Scandi managers.

Robbie Keane... although I think Celtic are eyeing him.

Kevin Muscat has done an excellent job in Asia over the past 5 years.

Ian Cathro has Estoril in the top half of the league with an average attendance lower than Carlisle United. Turned his career around in a big way.


You'd probably be better waiting until the end of the season. There's always a handful of teams that panic-sack a good manager. But I think Wilder will be staying regardless.

 

[dexter101]

How many lagers can he sup and what's he like at badge thumping?

My experience at a Scandinavian wedding when I was a teenager confirms that all Danes, Finns, Norwegians and Swedes are perfectly mild mannered while sober, but when they have had a drink they revert to 800ad.

If he got the role, the next Steel City Derby at Hillsborough would be like a re-enactment of the pillaging of Lindisfarne. maybe.

 

[Torrix1889]

Pointless topic at the moment, he wont be sacked. The club are shit scared of life without him & Wilder has the excuse of 'look what happened last season with me 90+ points' and look what happened in the summer without me.

I think if he doesn't start well next season then the fans will start to turn.

I agree with your first point, especially after Rosen made such a PDA prior to the Cov game.....but things have gone seriously tits up since then so I suspect it may be whispered about in the corridors of power at BDTBL. However ultimately I think a change is unlikely in the summer.

The fan base appears to be pretty split though so I would imagine there will be some turning if he is in charge at the start of the season.

Keep him and it is the same old, same old, around we go in circles again, we need to break free at some point though.

Replace him and it's another gamble, whoever takes the reigns.

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

Lincoln City manager Michael Skabala- done an absolutely brilliant job, romped Div1 against clubs with much higher budgets. Play great attacking football & score lots of goals.

I’m bored stiff watching Wilder’s blades these days.

Assuming we approached him, Skabala would surely look at us and think he's got a better chance of getting promoted from the Championship by staying at Lincoln.

 

[Badger Blade]

My experience at a Scandinavian wedding when I was a teenager confirms that all Danes, Finns, Norwegians and Swedes are perfectly mild mannered while sober, but when they have had a drink they revert to 800ad.

Seconded!

Never seen so much booze put away, no wonder its all kept under lock and key by the government

 

[Richeee]

Has Billy got his coaching badges yet?..

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Yeh yeh, another Wilder sacking thread

However, not seen one with potential solutions, so this is my opinion for what it’s worth.

I am of the growing opinion that Wilder should be sacked imminently, or, we should be actively talking to managerial candidates now with the view to bringing them in as soon as the season finishes.

This begs the question…who?

I’m of the opinion we should aim high but aim European. This smacks of Jokanovic thinking but I want a Northern European manager - because I think - and it might be a stereotype - they are less emotional than their southern European counterparts and offer something more structured and strategic. That’s just my take.

I’d like to put forward:

KJETIL KNUTSEN (Norwegian)

He’s manager of Norwegian side Bodo Glimt - I know, that’s probably a major step higher than Champ football as they’re in the champs league and for their size, do pretty well in it. But that is all down to him.

He’s never managed outside of Norway so I think this restricts any of the so called top 6 clubs in the major leagues tapping him up so I’d definitely say he’s a mid-lower Prem / top-end Champ manager.

However, why would he come here? Fuck knows. He’s doing fine where he is and he’s in the champs league. But, if I were our owners I’d be preparing a major offer, more than we’ve ever done on a manager before and breaking our ceiling to get him in. Sell him a project with the aim of being an established mid table premier league club in 5years (where’ve we heard that before?). He could see us as a stepping stone - if successful - to a much bigger club.

I’m writing this and thinking I sound a little bit delusional so no doubt you are too as the reader. It’s only one example of the type of manager I think we need, I’m sure there are others, but I really like the guy and his style of play and would deffo suit us as a club and fan base but with the added bonus of him actually knowing about how football tactics work.

Shoot me down.

Wouldn’t waste a bullet.

 

[The Fox]

Has Billy got his coaching badges yet?..

God forbid.

Last thing we been is another " untouchable" manager .

 

[Tarqs]

Clear the crap out, get the necessary players who can fill those gaps and the others who are currently less effective than they could be will improve.
Wilder can do that.
He's shown he can do it and when he's not had the success we craved, with either Premier league drubbings, or no play-off place this season, there are very good reasons why.
Chuck anyone else into the circumstances he had to manage through and they would struggle too.

Is this another 'only wilder can' post?

 

[Tarqs]

Very much agree.

We've tried the total change of direction and it didnt work.

When Hecky came back he was in a good place to know alot of the players which was an advantage.

Its why I'd rather see the coaching staff we have given a chance , although they'll need help if their just to concentrate on 1st team affairs .

We're going to have less money and may need more evolution than revolution.

Everytime we've tried a change in direction, we've given the new manager the bare minimum in order to go in that direction.

Half arsed shite from the owners.

 

[The Fox]

Everytime we've tried a change in direction, we've given the new manager the bare minimum in order to go in that direction.

Half arsed shite from the owners.

Yep , and with less in the kitty perhaps a change of course is better than a change on direction.
Who knows eh..

 

[Tarqs]

Yep , and with less in the kitty perhaps a change of course is better than a change on direction.
Who knows eh..

One thing that has to happen at some stage, is that we will have to plan for life without Wilder. Unless we have a Hodgson plan for him.

 

[The Fox]

One thing that has to happen at some stage, is that we will have to plan for life without Wilder. Unless we have a Hodgson plan for him.

Very true .
This may come as a shock to many but SUFC isnt Chris Wilder or vice versa.

 

[Roygbiv]

He will get the summer and the first 10-15 games. If things don't improve then fans will turn. Despite what is often reported in the local press, the vast majority of fans are on the fence with Wilder and what happens over the summer will push them one way or the other. You'll always have extremists on both sides but it's the ones in the middle who will eventually decide his fate.

 

[ckpe147]

Very much agree.

We've tried the total change of direction and it didnt work.

When Hecky came back he was in a good place to know alot of the players which was an advantage.

Its why I'd rather see the coaching staff we have given a chance , although they'll need help if their just to concentrate on 1st team affairs .

We're going to have less money and may need more evolution than revolution.

Hecky's football was an evolution of Wlders, I also think Hecky was very fortunate to have NDiaye. Not sure Iliman would have flourished under Wilder though

 

[Tarqs]

He will get the summer and the first 10-15 games. If things don't improve then fans will turn. Despite what is often reported in the local press, the vast majority of fans are on the fence with Wilder and what happens over the summer will push them one way or the other. You'll always have extremists on both sides but it's the ones in the middle who will eventually decide his fate.

The renewal numbers might have a big say on things aswell.

 

[Dkc]

Ian Cathro has Estoril in the top half of the league with an average attendance lower than Carlisle United. Turned his career around in a big way.

Being in the top half of the Portuguese league with average attendances lower than Carlisle isn't that impressive when only the top five have higher attendances than Carlisle (7k).

 

[bogo40]

Yeh yeh, another Wilder sacking thread

However, not seen one with potential solutions, so this is my opinion for what it’s worth.

I am of the growing opinion that Wilder should be sacked imminently, or, we should be actively talking to managerial candidates now with the view to bringing them in as soon as the season finishes.

This begs the question…who?

I’m of the opinion we should aim high but aim European. This smacks of Jokanovic thinking but I want a Northern European manager - because I think - and it might be a stereotype - they are less emotional than their southern European counterparts and offer something more structured and strategic. That’s just my take.

I’d like to put forward:

KJETIL KNUTSEN (Norwegian)

He’s manager of Norwegian side Bodo Glimt - I know, that’s probably a major step higher than Champ football as they’re in the champs league and for their size, do pretty well in it. But that is all down to him.

He’s never managed outside of Norway so I think this restricts any of the so called top 6 clubs in the major leagues tapping him up so I’d definitely say he’s a mid-lower Prem / top-end Champ manager.

However, why would he come here? Fuck knows. He’s doing fine where he is and he’s in the champs league. But, if I were our owners I’d be preparing a major offer, more than we’ve ever done on a manager before and breaking our ceiling to get him in. Sell him a project with the aim of being an established mid table premier league club in 5years (where’ve we heard that before?). He could see us as a stepping stone - if successful - to a much bigger club.

I’m writing this and thinking I sound a little bit delusional so no doubt you are too as the reader. It’s only one example of the type of manager I think we need, I’m sure there are others, but I really like the guy and his style of play and would deffo suit us as a club and fan base but with the added bonus of him actually knowing about how football tactics work.

Shoot me down.

Think you are on the right lines with this but....
I dont think you can get rid of Wilder before there are a few more changes in the Leadership / managers positions. We never do well going for a European manager, maybe due to the fact they arent managers in the same sense. We would need to get wilders buy in to working with a DoF at the very least, for the remainder of the season, and then change over to the new , thus giving Him(or Her) the chance to get the feet under the table and get to know the owners and staff. Even then its not going to be straight forward.

 

[Kelso]

Promote from within to ensure some degree of continuity and appoint a DOF would be my preferred route.
It'll not happen

But who from within though? Cannot see anyone there who could be the next manager

 

[Badger Blade]

As much as we'd love a new manager and a fresh way of thinking to take us into the next 5-10 years, I'm not optimistic about it happening and us being successful with it for as long as Wilder and all his hangers on are in place and while the current regime are dishing jobs out to Spanish PE teachers with poor track records.

We're near the end of a bloody disappointing season where Wilder came back and rescued us from almost certain relegation. The issue for me is how we looked like really kicking on with some great results and free-flowing football only to revert back to last season's type, only without the players to see the game through. Attack was the best form of defence but for some reason, it went by the wayside as the playoffs were within sight.

Some of that is on Wilder, some of it is on the players and some is on the people signing the cheques on the likes of Ings, McGuinness, Tanganga, Matos, Chong, the lads brought in from Bulgaria and the loan players who have been largely ineffective when we've needed impact and impetus to see us through.

As far as this season in isolation is concerned, without the combination of Wilder, Riedewald and Bamford, there would be a big fat R next to our name by now.

When it comes to next season, Wilder to his credit has said what he has about the squad and set his stall out very clearly. It's up to him to go and execute it in the summer.

If he doesn't and we're in 17th at Christmas, then it might be time to wave goodbye once and for all. That or simply call ourselves Sheffield North End, resigned to being Championship water-treaders for all eternity.

 

[SLB]

Yeh yeh, another Wilder sacking thread

However, not seen one with potential solutions, so this is my opinion for what it’s worth.

I am of the growing opinion that Wilder should be sacked imminently, or, we should be actively talking to managerial candidates now with the view to bringing them in as soon as the season finishes.

This begs the question…who?

I’m of the opinion we should aim high but aim European. This smacks of Jokanovic thinking but I want a Northern European manager - because I think - and it might be a stereotype - they are less emotional than their southern European counterparts and offer something more structured and strategic. That’s just my take.

I’d like to put forward:

KJETIL KNUTSEN (Norwegian)

He’s manager of Norwegian side Bodo Glimt - I know, that’s probably a major step higher than Champ football as they’re in the champs league and for their size, do pretty well in it. But that is all down to him.

He’s never managed outside of Norway so I think this restricts any of the so called top 6 clubs in the major leagues tapping him up so I’d definitely say he’s a mid-lower Prem / top-end Champ manager.

However, why would he come here? Fuck knows. He’s doing fine where he is and he’s in the champs league. But, if I were our owners I’d be preparing a major offer, more than we’ve ever done on a manager before and breaking our ceiling to get him in. Sell him a project with the aim of being an established mid table premier league club in 5years (where’ve we heard that before?). He could see us as a stepping stone - if successful - to a much bigger club.

I’m writing this and thinking I sound a little bit delusional so no doubt you are too as the reader. It’s only one example of the type of manager I think we need, I’m sure there are others, but I really like the guy and his style of play and would deffo suit us as a club and fan base but with the added bonus of him actually knowing about how football tactics work.

Shoot me down.

They won't be sacking him as he's bigger than the club. In fact he is the club. He's here until he dies.

 

[The Fox]

But who from within though? Cannot see anyone there who could be the next manager

We do have coaches rather than a managerial replacement which is why they'd need support from a DOF in recruitment etc .

Its not a panacea but its a different way that might be less disruptive , and cheaper.

 

[MayorOJC]

Being in the top half of the Portuguese league with average attendances lower than Carlisle isn't that impressive when only the top five have higher attendances than Carlisle (7k).

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Crazy stat, didn't realise that.

 

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

Assuming we approached him, Skabala would surely look at us and think he's got a better chance of getting promoted from the Championship by staying at Lincoln.

Not a chance. Their resources simply do not match ours.

 

[skegblade]

Clear the crap out, get the necessary players who can fill those gaps and the others who are currently less effective than they could be will improve.
Wilder can do that.
He's shown he can do it and when he's not had the success we craved, with either Premier league drubbings, or no play-off place this season, there are very good reasons why.
Chuck anyone else into the circumstances he had to manage through and they would struggle too.

Same is said every season wilders rant over a major clear out just in time for season ticket sales we wont have 4 new players and lose 3 rest will be same as

 

[BladeByChoice]

We do have coaches rather than a managerial replacement which is why they'd need support from a DOF in recruitment etc .

Its not a panacea but its a different way that might be less disruptive , and cheaper.

Strongly agree

Said this many times before, you cannot replace Wilder with one man, which is why we keep failing whenever we try it.

We are absolutely wrong to be looking for a manager when what we need is

A head coach

A DOF

A Pastoral Development Officer

A head scout (data driven not AI driven)

All with clearly defined roles and all accountable when the inevitable happens,.

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

Not a chance. Their resources simply do not match ours.

No, but he has that squad exactly where he would want it to build from and has already done most of the hard work. It would be like someone approaching Wilder in the summer after we won League One and offering him a job at West Brom or Coventry or some other middling Championship side he had no particular affinity with

 

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

I expect Chris Wilder to sign players who can play full tilt 90-plus minutes and have attacking tactics.
Like when He took the manager's job in 2016. make up proud to be Blades. If the American owners/directors back him.
Chris Wilder will get the players who will be promoted automatically next season.

Why hasn’t he already tried to do this in his 2nd & 3rd time at the club? Answer, he’s well past his sell by date.