What is Arblaster's 'best'

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People liked that he was a United fan but he was also a great example of a modern midfielder. Loads of ball carrying, loads of progressive passes, actially attacking the centre of the pitch. His injury took away United's ability to attack centrally

Him and Hackney were the standout CMs for the first quarter of last season, following an extremely promising run of games in the PL and a fantastic loan at Port Vale.

Pretending he was shit because he came through the academy and is a United fan is bizarre. He wasn't dominating full games, because he was a 21 year old with less than 50 senior appearances
 
Sheffsteel said:
Peck can’t score…..zero composure in front of goal and struggles to even hit the target, noticed he has loads of shots blocked.
Whereas Arblaster had a good habit of coming up with goals…..think he has/ had more power in his shots and he was good at hitting the target.

Also Peck never does killer passes whereas Arblaster could.
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Last season I'd agree with this but he's massively improved on those things now. He's scoring more and getting into great positions. But it's the killer pass I think he's really added. He takes way more risks with forward passes and trying to break the lines. He often plays the ball that opens it up in the final 3rd even if it's not the actual assist.

Think he's a wonderful player. Really hope he stays and keeps developing as he is.
 
bigpockets said:
I see so many comments suggesting we need to give him space to get back to his best after such a long injury outage. But what is that? He showed promise pre-injury but nothing more than that and let's face it he's way off the pace at the moment. A year out on loan in league one will determine his future but if we're serious about the rest of this season he's nowhere near the team we can play.
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What is this obsession with loaning youngsters out to league one. ?
 
FTPE said:
I still think Arblaster will score and create more, but right now Peck as certainly upped his game in both departments
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Arblaster was more creative than Peck. The stats from both players last season back it up.

The difference is Peck has had another year development time and boy has he come on. He’s added forward passes and goals to his game. He’s still developing too, if he was still here next season I think he could realistically target 10+ goal involvements.

If Arblaster hadn’t lost a years development I think you’re spot on, he’d score and create more than Peck as that was more his natural skill set
 
We are blessed to have 2 top class young midfielders. Different players, but when on top form both equally effective in different ways. Blaster has the ability to take the ball on the turn ghost past people and finish but is slightly lacking athletically. Peck is an enforcer who can run all day and play but can lack composure at times, especially in front of goal.

The biggest problem I think is we do seem to play better with a holding midfielder like Jairo or Phillips in the team so its hard to play both at the same time.
 
They're completely different players. Peck had the Jairo/Arblaster role under clueless and it didn't go so well. He was the scapegoat but the point stands. Jairo's back from injury and the balance (key word here) looks better. Well knock me down with a feather. If Peck is facing his own goal throughout a game you know he's out of position.

Peck is a box to box type. His physical attributes and mentality are very strong. His passing technique is also very good. I'm not talking about where he passes it, I'm talking about how he passes it. He also has a nice touch and that bit of quality that underscores his pedigree. Nice balance and good dribbling for a central midfielder. To go higher he can work on his third man runs and his composure in front of goal. His shooting between 15-25 yards of goal. I think we can already see some evidence of this, this season. Believe it or not when a player plays higher up the park their involvement in goals increases.

Arblaster had some exceptional technical skills. He'd come deep, take the ball on the half turn and invariably keep the ball notwithstanding the pressure on him - even at Prem level. His press resistance was very high. If he had a modicum of space he would invariably play the ball forwards or carry it through the press with that lovely turn of pace over 5-10 yards he had (you'd also see that when he plays higher, penetrating the other lines). The teams that came to the Lane and pressed us early last season were destroyed and began to sit very deep. It wasn't a mystery Compare and contrast since ...

His future was playing for a team with a lot of top technically astute players. He's the best midfielder I've seen at the Lane for technical aptitude. Sander was similarly underappreciated. He currently plays for Fulham making the game look extremely easy.
 
MayorOJC said:
Pointless judging a player just after a one year injury. You get muscle wastage in your legs after that long and it takes months and months to build them back up.
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At what point do we stop using that as an excuse? The players are working with experts in sports science and rehab every day so surely we either shouldn't be risking him or he should be a lot closer to the player you think he was before the injury?
 



Maurice Maurice said:
At what point do we stop using that as an excuse? The players are working with experts in sports science and rehab every day so surely we either shouldn't be risking him or he should be a lot closer to the player you think he was before the injury?
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Getting a player to match fitness after a long term leg injury is one thing, reversing muscular atrophy is another. It's very difficult to gain muscle mass in a short period of time, particularly when a) professional footballers also have to do immense amounts of cardio and b) Arblaster will need to be conservative with hypertrophic exercise to not blow his knee out again. It takes time, be patient.
 
MayorOJC said:
Pointless judging a player just after a one year injury. You get muscle wastage in your legs after that long and it takes months and months to build them back up.
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Some people never get back. Or they may never get back to what they were. That doesn't mean that I'm not going to give him the time he deserves (at least Xmas next season) or write ridiculous revisionist nonsense about the exceptional quality he had before his injury (pretending it didn't exist) like others on here. At least the pitch forks aren't pointed at Sydie now 😉.
 
bigpockets said:
I see so many comments suggesting we need to give him space to get back to his best after such a long injury outage. But what is that? He showed promise pre-injury but nothing more than that and let's face it he's way off the pace at the moment. A year out on loan in league one will determine his future but if we're serious about the rest of this season he's nowhere near the team we can play.
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SwissBlade - the old League One loan rears it's head again!!

Yes, let's loan our potential best midfielder out to the pub league where he can train with inferior players at inferior facilities with inferior coaches.

That should set him just reyt!!
 
IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
SwissBlade - the old League One loan rears it's head again!!

Yes, let's loan our potential best midfielder out to the pub league where he can train with inferior players at inferior facilities with inferior coaches.

That should set him just reyt!!
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Absolutely zero benefit for a lad of his ability and experience. He doesn’t need league one, he needs time
 
MayorOJC said:
Getting a player to match fitness after a long term leg injury is one thing, reversing muscular atrophy is another. It's very difficult to gain muscle mass in a short period of time, particularly when a) professional footballers also have to do immense amounts of cardio and b) Arblaster will need to be conservative with hypertrophic exercise to not blow his knee out again. It takes time, be patient.
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Spot on
It's not hard to see that arblaster lost a lot physically
He needs to put some muscle back on and build his fitness back and we will see the old oli again
 
MayorOJC said:
Getting a player to match fitness after a long term leg injury is one thing, reversing muscular atrophy is another. It's very difficult to gain muscle mass in a short period of time, particularly when a) professional footballers also have to do immense amounts of cardio and b) Arblaster will need to be conservative with hypertrophic exercise to not blow his knee out again. It takes time, be patient.
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OK, but the club felt it fit to throw him back into the first team squad and to expose him to the rigours of Championship football, surely we wouldn't do that if he's at serious risk of blowing his knee out again? I'd much rather have a fully fit player out there, or one being very carefully managed to negate the risk of a further serious injury but something doesn't stack up then. Is he or isn't he fit enough for Championship football, or is he still crocked and this is the best we're going to get?

Oh and apologies but one more question, when it comes to regaining muscle mass, what's a short time versus a long one?
 
Maurice Maurice said:
OK, but the club felt it fit to throw him back into the first team squad and to expose him to the rigours of Championship football, surely we wouldn't do that if he's at serious risk of blowing his knee out again? I'd much rather have a fully fit player out there, or one being very carefully managed to negate the risk of a further serious injury but something doesn't stack up then. Is he or isn't he fit enough for Championship football, or is he still crocked and this is the best we're going to get?

Oh and apologies but one more question, when it comes to regaining muscle mass, what's a short time versus a long one?
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I can only repeat what I said earlier really. You can be physically fit enough to engage in football whilst still suffering from muscular atrophy, which will impact the quality of play he is currently capable of. Is he fit to play, yes. Is he physically in the same condition he was in 15 months ago? No. Should be be playing? That's a question of team selection. There's no inherent medical issue with selecting him.

An ACL injury will atrophy around 30% of the muscle mass of your quad. Takes a long time for that to get back. Not even counting from the date of the injury - counting from the date hypertrophic training could start. Think that was November for Oli. He's an athlete, but you'd still need a good 6 months to get back to his prior condition.
 
jt64 said:
They use laptops and stuff like that, their scouting must be bollocks
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They do a huge amount of work which unfortunately isn't replicable by normal football clubs. This is now across multiple sports and leagues. I see Hearts are top of the SPL breaking that algorithm.

With the wide knowledge/business base at our club hopefully we can become one of them clubs. It's a huge fillip for Arblaster that a club that can target any players globally for the best prices fancied him.
 



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