We Can Still Finish 6th - Pre Matchday 29 - New Graphs & Charts

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Making the playoffs may be unlikely - but it is still a realistic target.

I set playoff targets for each match back on August 9th, based on my forecasts of all 24 teams’ form.

I have now reset the remaining 18 game targets, based on our current position and every other team's seasons to date.

Table 1 shows the points achieved by 6th and 7th places over the last 6 years. 71 points would have been enough to beat 7th in every one of those years. 77 points would have been enough to at least match 6th place in 5 of those 6 years. So I am taking 71 points as a Playoff Possible total and 77 points as a Playoff Probable total.

Table 1:
6-Year Champ Playoff Points.webp


Table 2
shows our final 18 games and 2 series of results that achieve those 71 and 77 point totals.

There is not an unrealistic result on this table – it is just achieving all of them that is the challenge.

Table 2:
Playoff Target 18 Match Points.webp


Finally, Graph 1 plots our season so far, along with the above Table 2 paths to those final points targets.
When you look at that graph, the projection doesn’t look at all over-optimistic.

I will plot our progress on this graph after each game.

Graph 1:
Matchday 28 - Paths to the Prem.webp


On the xgPoints Tables we are currently 4th – so our general performance is already certainly Top 6.

Our Best 11 is developing some great partnerships – Hamer and O’Hare, Brooks and Seriki, Tanganga and Bindon, Bamford and Cannon, Riedewald and Peck.
That is what consistent success relies on - having confidence in the players around you.

You May Say I'm a Dreamer - but just Imagine if it happened!

UTB & Slava Ukraini!
 



Making the playoffs may be unlikely - but it is still a realistic target.

I set playoff targets for each match back on August 9th, based on my forecasts of all 24 teams’ form.

I have now reset the remaining 18 game targets, based on our current position and every other team's seasons to date.

Table 1 shows the points achieved by 6th and 7th places over the last 6 years. 71 points would have been enough to beat 7th in every one of those years. 77 points would have been enough to at least match 6th place in 5 of those 6 years. So I am taking 71 points as a Playoff Possible total and 77 points as a Playoff Probable total.

Table 1:
View attachment 229825


Table 2
shows our final 18 games and 2 series of results that achieve those 71 and 77 point totals.

There is not an unrealistic result on this table – it is just achieving all of them that is the challenge.

Table 2:
View attachment 229826


Finally, Graph 1 plots our season so far, along with the above Table 2 paths to those final points targets.
When you look at that graph, the projection doesn’t look at all over-optimistic.

I will plot our progress on this graph after each game.

Graph 1:
View attachment 229827


On the xgPoints Tables we are currently 4th – so our general performance is already certainly Top 6.

Our Best 11 is developing some great partnerships – Hamer and O’Hare, Brooks and Seriki, Tanganga and Bindon, Bamford and Cannon, Riedewald and Peck.
That is what consistent success relies on - having confidence in the players around you.

You May Say I'm a Dreamer - but just Imagine if it happened!

UTB & Slava Ukraini!
Try selling that to the resident doom and gloom merchants on this site.

The Wendy's are happier than some on here 😂
 
Making the playoffs may be unlikely - but it is still a realistic target.

I set playoff targets for each match back on August 9th, based on my forecasts of all 24 teams’ form.

I have now reset the remaining 18 game targets, based on our current position and every other team's seasons to date.

Table 1 shows the points achieved by 6th and 7th places over the last 6 years. 71 points would have been enough to beat 7th in every one of those years. 77 points would have been enough to at least match 6th place in 5 of those 6 years. So I am taking 71 points as a Playoff Possible total and 77 points as a Playoff Probable total.

Table 1:
View attachment 229825


Table 2
shows our final 18 games and 2 series of results that achieve those 71 and 77 point totals.

There is not an unrealistic result on this table – it is just achieving all of them that is the challenge.

Table 2:
View attachment 229826


Finally, Graph 1 plots our season so far, along with the above Table 2 paths to those final points targets.
When you look at that graph, the projection doesn’t look at all over-optimistic.

I will plot our progress on this graph after each game.

Graph 1:
View attachment 229827


On the xgPoints Tables we are currently 4th – so our general performance is already certainly Top 6.

Our Best 11 is developing some great partnerships – Hamer and O’Hare, Brooks and Seriki, Tanganga and Bindon, Bamford and Cannon, Riedewald and Peck.
That is what consistent success relies on - having confidence in the players around you.

You May Say I'm a Dreamer - but just Imagine if it happened!

UTB & Slava Ukraini!

Hmmmm

Let's just focus on beating Millwall shall we?!!
 
So that has us not losing another game this season, dream on and leave the Deludamol to the S6 crew.

Not neccessarily.
He's offered up some cautiously optimistic results.

He's listed both Millwall and Middlebrough as draws, so 2 points.
If we lost to Millwall, but beat Middlesbrough, we'd have 3 points and would be trending higher than his cautious outlook.
 
It isn’t realistic, but if some draws become wins then the odd loss isn’t a problem.
We need to start turning losses into draws first.
On the xgPoints Tables we are currently 4th – so our general performance is already certainly Top 6.
no, no and no again.

Our hypothetical performance is top 6. Our actual performance is 17th.

We have scored less goals than expected and conceded more than expected. That does not make us a better side than the stats show. it shows we don't score or defend as well as we should.
 



I know the Selles era muddies the water, but you can't expect the club with the highest loss ratio in the division* to go the rest of the season unbeaten.

Chuck in a few losses and you've got to bump the win ratio above 50% to even achieve the lower number. Feels very optimistic.

That said, we've picked up 1.86 points per game over the last 14 games. Continue that for the remaining 18 games and we'll be on 68/69 points.

Wrexham in 6th are only projected to get 69/70 based on overall ppg. But thats not comparing apples and apples as they've picked up recently as well.

It's doable, but optimistic to the near extreme when we're asking all that of a team prone to inconsistency that also has zero squad depth and a terrible injury record.

*Discounting one porcine exception not worthy of comparison.
 
Why are we bothering with delusions of the play offs? If and it's a big if, we got promoted via whatever way. What then?
There needs to be a clear plan for the Premiership.
We don't want the same embarrassment/ debacle as the last time.
Do we really want fans walking out after 20 minutes.
I am still unsure about the commitment from COH sports.
Anybody with similar thoughts
 
It's still doable.
I'd say we've got to expect we'll get fewer draws than you've predicted. This team rarely draws games..
We just need more wins than losses from those games.
I'm in.
 
Why are we bothering with delusions of the play offs? If and it's a big if, we got promoted via whatever way. What then?
There needs to be a clear plan for the Premiership.
We don't want the same embarrassment/ debacle as the last time.
Do we really want fans walking out after 20 minutes.
I am still unsure about the commitment from COH sports.
Anybody with similar thoughts
Without promotion there'll be a fire sale. We have to try and get up again now for the failure payments, otherwise we will need a miracle to get in the top 6 for years to come..
 
Why are we bothering with delusions of the play offs? If and it's a big if, we got promoted via whatever way. What then?
There needs to be a clear plan for the Premiership.
We don't want the same embarrassment/ debacle as the last time.
Do we really want fans walking out after 20 minutes.
I am still unsure about the commitment from COH sports.
Anybody with similar thoughts
Zero interest in promotion or going to Wembley until the club is properly set up for it. Sunderland and Leeds have shown what’s possible and we’re miles off it in every area off the pitch.
 
It's not going to happen.

We'd realistically need to put together a five or six game winning streak at some point or go ten plus games unbeaten where the sequence is peppered with draws.

And even then that might not be enough.
 
Is there a graph detailing our results when we concede first?
 
This is pointless without factoring in other teams performance

Which is impossible to do, but...

Here is the current league table with points extrapolated till the end of the season using actual PPG.

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In the table predicyted by ucandomagic he has us on 71 pts and 77 pts.

71 would have us level with 6th and 77 would have us 6 clear of them.

In order to stand a chance we have to outperform our PPG over the season so far. But this is a quick calculation based on if everybody maintains theirs...
 
Love it GraphMan - but I hate it when you give me hope - not really!

As for KMC-1889 comment - surely the whole point of the tables of points v teams is that it does take other teams' forecast performances into consideration.

Or if KMC-1889 means in terms of the points targets - then that's why you have looked at stats from a number of years and don't just consider beating 7th, but at least matching 6th as well. In 2015 Wolves were 7th on 78 points - so that's why 77points can still only be probable (or almost certain as you put it!)

UTB & FTP!
 
We need to start turning losses into draws first.

no, no and no again.

Our hypothetical performance is top 6. Our actual performance is 17th.

We have scored less goals than expected and conceded more than expected. That does not make us a better side than the stats show. it shows we don't score or defend as well as we should.
Including the crap start yes. Depends on if you want to use that, or were have been over the last 10 / 12 games.
 
I love your posts ucandomagic and I’m optimistic, but I don’t see how your 71 and 77 points target points which involves us remaining unbeaten for the rest of the season could be considered realistic.
And if you include the fact that we have just beaten Ipswich, that would be 19 games unbeaten.
The last time we managed that was when we won the fourth division championship. Even during our 100 point third division season we didn't manage that many consecutive unbeaten league games.
 
Hmmmm

Let's just focus on beating Millwall shall we?!!
Wilder and the team can focus on Millwall - we pay our money to hope and dream - unless we're like the Brummies, who I live amongst, who are only happy when they are miserable! Try saying "I'm never so happy as when I'm miserable" in a Brummie accent. it's really good!

UTB & FTP!
 
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Why are we bothering with delusions of the play offs? If and it's a big if, we got promoted via whatever way. What then?

We get a shitload of money to help keep the football team competitive and can build again.

I'm dreading next season in the Championship with our current squad and no parachute payments
 

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