Referee

[Torrix1889]

I bet the twat manages to favour the home side in that fixture!

100%, (almost) the whole football world is feeling sorry for the Massive!

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

seems as if he has peed off most of the football league











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I like the cut of Lee Bell's jib. Future Blades manager

 

[Bergen Blade]

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If he'd got three hands I'm sure he'd have put that into his back as well for good measure. WTF was the ref doing here?

Agree, clear free kick. Linesman probably had a better view of the force behind the push.


Some of the other decisions are more debatable than many thinks.

Penalty, Stewart's touch takes him past Cooper. Although Cooper tries to pull out, he has been beaten and then getting in Stewart's path with him falling over, it can be argued this is a foul.


Ben Mee foul. He gets the ball, but the force behind the tackle, also bringing the player down, means maybe 40% of refs in England would give a free kick for this. In Norway, maybe 80%.



Peck disallowed goal, you can't wrestle with goalkeepers like that and expect refs to ignore it. I think 90% of refs seeing that would give a foul.



Wilder's red card.

Seemed a bit harsh, but only saw one angle. Strange situation.

 

[UddersBlade]

Agree, clear free kick. Linesman probably had a better view of the force behind the push.


Some of the other decisions are more debatable than many thinks.

Penalty, Stewart's touch takes him past Cooper. Although Cooper tries to pull out, he has been beaten and then getting in Stewart's path with him falling over, it can be argued this is a foul.
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Ben Mee foul. He gets the ball, but the force behind the tackle, also bringing the player down, means maybe 40% of refs in England would give a free kick for this. In Norway, maybe 80%.

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Peck disallowed goal, you can't wrestle with goalkeepers like that and expect refs to ignore it. I think 90% of refs seeing that would give a foul.

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Wilder's red card.

Seemed a bit harsh, but only saw one angle. Strange situation.

I agree with your assessment….. feel we are making excuses for another home loss - although we probably did enough over 90 mins to deserve a draw…

However - having watched the full clip of what happened with Wilder - I think it was a ridiculous red card / overreaction from the ref. If Wilder gets a subsequent charge & ban he will have been very unlucky & sadly for him suffering from his past history from last season.

 

[KiwiBlabe]

The issue that I have is that, in isolation you could make a point for these decisions. However when he ignores the holding for the 1st Saints goal, ignores a 2 handed push on Tanganga, does not give the Ogbene free kick, it is very hard to understand.

He is obviously incompetent and worst of all he clearly loves being the centre of attention. As some above has written, sending Wilder off was petty. Knill sums it up well by saying the game was too big for him.

 

[Toronto Blade]

it has to be the training,

Or the big ego

 

[wadblade]

The issue that I have is that, in isolation you could make a point for these decisions. However when he ignores the holding for the 1st Saints goal, ignores a 2 handed push on Tanganga, does not give the Ogbene free kick, it is very hard to understand.

He is obviously incompetent and worst of all he clearly loves being the centre of attention. As some above has written, sending Wilder off was petty. Knill sums it up well by saying the game was too big for him.

RE =a 2 handed push on Tanganga in thei penalty area from a corner. I am glad someone else noticed it. It was two hand and shoved him off the pitch Yet another of tuesday nights mysteries

 

[KiwiBlabe]

I just read that Wilder is appealing any touchline ban and he explains what happened. FWIW I fully agree with Wilder, he didn't lose the plot, go off at the ref or pick the ball up and smack it into the crowd. It was a nonchalant kick of the ball that got a bi of a flyer, he immediately apologised. He asks the question about appointments too, this is much more of an issue than his sending off for me.

 

[Bergen Blade]

I agree with your assessment….. feel we are making excuses for another home loss - although we probably did enough over 90 mins to deserve a draw…

However - having watched the full clip of what happened with Wilder - I think it was a ridiculous red card / overreaction from the ref. If Wilder gets a subsequent charge & ban he will have been very unlucky & sadly for him suffering from his past history from last season.

There's been a lot of focus on the refereeing post match, also in this week's pre game presser.

It was a match between 24th and 19th in the second division; two teams with one win each in 7, and our performance was again pretty average.

Our focus should be on improving, not on feeling robbed or unfairly treated by the ref. Our focus should be on avoiding simple long punts becoming a one on one with the gk, not on the referee's verdict on the goalkeeper bringing their striker down. Our focus should be on creating more chances, not on the opposition wall for a late free kick.

 

[Snowflake]

Excellent refereeing today. Not his fault that we didn’t score !

 

[mattbianco1]

See that referee we had against Southampton got demoted

 

[Belvedere Blade]

 

[UddersBlade]

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Is Wilder free to be on the touchline on Saturday?

 

[SuperSonicBlade89]

Foul throws...

United do a foul throw - Watford get to take a throw in return

Watford do a foul throw - they get to retake it?

Why aren't rules being applied properly? I just don't get how they can just choose to disregard the laws of the game when they are the ones suppose to upholding them.

 

[steve26272]

Foul throws...

United do a foul throw - Watford get to take a throw in return

Watford do a foul throw - they get to retake it?

Why aren't rules being applied properly? I just don't get how they can just choose to disregard the laws of the game when they are the ones suppose to upholding them.

Didn’t see the throw, only accepted reason would be if the ball didn’t go on the pitch

If it did then that’s incompetence, especially given they have picked one up already

 

[Greenwich Blade]

Foul throws...

United do a foul throw - Watford get to take a throw in return

Watford do a foul throw - they get to retake it?

Why aren't rules being applied properly? I just don't get how they can just choose to disregard the laws of the game when they are the ones suppose to upholding them.

Did the ref overrule the lino on an offside flag in the first half?

 

[Bladesman]

Foul throws...

United do a foul throw - Watford get to take a throw in return

Watford do a foul throw - they get to retake it?

Why aren't rules being applied properly? I just don't get how they can just choose to disregard the laws of the game when they are the ones suppose to upholding them.

Madley was poor today but thankfully we overcame that.

Also when did chucking a player to floor to stop a counter attack with no intent of playing the ball not result in a yellow?

 

[GodricBlade]

Did the ref overrule the lino on an offside flag in the first half?

Yep - I think so. It was all a bit odd as it looked like several players stopped playing then realised the ref had waved play on.

 

[JimW1889]

Yep - I think so. It was all a bit odd as it looked like several players stopped playing then realised the ref had waved play on.

Linesman visibly told whoever had on the line (possibly McGuiness?) to play on once the ref hadn’t give it.

 

[bakeblade]

Madley was poor today but thankfully we overcame that.

Also when did chucking a player to floor to stop a counter attack with no intent of playing the ball not result in a yellow?

A couple of odd, minor decisions but I thought overall he was fine. He wasn't whistle happy and kept the game flowing nicely.

 

[Bladesman]

A couple of odd, minor decisions but I thought overall he was fine. He wasn't whistle happy and kept the game flowing nicely.

He wasn't whistle happy but he should have dished a card out of that.

 

[Hari Vex]

Was here a reason for the added extra time? Watford missed a glaring opportunity to score with the last kick of the game.

 

[brownblade]

I kind of love it when the ref ignores most fouls. Infinitely better than constant stop start.

 

[bakeblade]

Was here a reason for the added extra time? Watford missed a glaring opportunity to score with the last kick of the game.

We were time wasting

 

[sitwell]

I like Madley, if you can like a ref ,he lets a lot go and lets the game form into a match. He makes a few mistakes but not as many as most.

 

[Grey Blade]

Yep - I think so. It was all a bit odd as it looked like several players stopped playing then realised the ref had waved play on.

It was a strange decision because the game stopped. I assume the linesman was flagging for offside or was he flagging for an alleged foul which the ref overruled. If we had scored there would have been a massive protest.
Another decision in the 1st half which I couldn't understand was when the goalie made a save low down and one of our players challenged him - the ball was cleared with the goalie down (apparently injured). Play stopped and I thought it would be a drop ball but a freekick was given. Was there a foul on the goalie? Didn't look like it to me

 

[Frank the tank]

It was a strange decision because the game stopped. I assume the linesman was flagging for offside or was he flagging for an alleged foul which the ref overruled. If we had scored there would have been a massive protest.
Another decision in the 1st half which I couldn't understand was when the goalie made a save low down and one of our players challenged him - the ball was cleared with the goalie down (apparently injured). Play stopped and I thought it would be a drop ball but a freekick was given. Was there a foul on the goalie? Didn't look like it to me

Yeah o hare went for the ball as the keeper lunged at it ,not much in it and the keeper stayed down for effect but not many refs wouldn't give it

 

[Blademan89]

Didn’t see the throw, only accepted reason would be if the ball didn’t go on the pitch

If it did then that’s incompetence, especially given they have picked one up already

Foul throw was bizarre, give one against Tanganga for 1 foot up, which is perfectly acceptable, and no issues with ref pulling players up (seems to be less enforced these days), their player took one ball not behind his head thrown onto the pitch & ref allows to be retaken, only thing i can think of is that the vall maybe slipped out of his hand? Not sure i was too far away to see any slips.

 

[Silent Blade]

Multiple topics, so didn't want to put it just in a Wilder/Peck thread

Had a catch-up today with my contact. I reached out to ask about Peck, but it was much more insightful....

I will get to the Wilder bit, but it was really interesting to hear how much the inner workings of the club have changed since the new ownership came in. It seems a lot of it has been led by Bettis, internally, who I have previously (perhaps now unfairly) criticised as a CEO. He has had approval from the new owners to implement a lot of his operational improvements, which the Prince previously didn't allow him to do. They are very much hands-on with regards strategy, but leave all tactical operations to the CEO, and indeed delivery of their strategy, which is how most large businesses work. The Prince didn't operate like that. Probably a telling sign when they came in and then after a period, made the CEO position a board position, with Bettis in it.

Regarding Peck, no change on the last update I had. He wants to go, and the club see him as the best asset to return a net-positive improvement on the squad. The new ownership are incredibly tight on leaks, so I have no info at all on any other players, in or out.

So, Wilder. He has already been told his contract will be terminated. So anyone thinking it is being done while he is trying to enjoy a holiday, or thinking it'll wait till he comes back, it's already done. What wasn't/isn't fully done was the financial package for the termination, which is handled by Wilder's agent. It supposedly wasn't as simple as the reported 500k termination clause. It is staggered based upon year of contract, and Wilder wanted what was owed (100% fair), but the owners were negotiating. I don't know any more. But the headline I guess is he won't be the manager next season and won't be carrying out any other duties of the manager from now on. The meetings being talked about in the media/socials are either wrong in terms of dates, or wrong in terms of agenda. The sack decision is already done.

Why is he being sacked? It's very much performance-based but also due to an 'opportunity in replacement'. I take that to mean the owners have/had the opportunity to get someone in that they see as better, so in reaction they are dropping CW. That's the best way it could be done IMO. Better than "let's sack him because we don't want him, then look for someone else", instead they found the better one before deciding to get rid of Chris. My contact emphasised that the owners see year 2 of the parachute payments the key one if you want to make a mid-term manager change. It seems that year one is often one you play it fairly safe, then year two is your gamble year.

Interesting chat, though I still had so many deep-dive questions, but this regime would crucify anyone leaking truly sensitive stuff internally. All the above is basically out there by one source or another, except the Peck actually wanting to leave bit. But I already shared that on here back in April

Did the ref overrule the lino on an offside flag in the first half?

Yep - I think so. It was all a bit odd as it looked like several players stopped playing then realised the ref had waved play on.

Linesman visibly told whoever had on the line (possibly McGuiness?) to play on once the ref hadn’t give it.

It was a strange decision because the game stopped. I assume the linesman was flagging for offside or was he flagging for an alleged foul which the ref overruled. If we had scored there would have been a massive protest.
Another decision in the 1st half which I couldn't understand was when the goalie made a save low down and one of our players challenged him - the ball was cleared with the goalie down (apparently injured). Play stopped and I thought it would be a drop ball but a freekick was given. Was there a foul on the goalie? Didn't look like it to me

It was a correct decision by the ref because the linesman hadnt realised the ball was headed back by a Watford player. McGuinness should have played to the whistle and run into the penalty box with the ball but like the Watford players he was hesitant for too long

 

[Russ]

Foul throw was bizarre, give one against Tanganga for 1 foot up, which is perfectly acceptable, and no issues with ref pulling players up (seems to be less enforced these days), their player took one ball not behind his head thrown onto the pitch & ref allows to be retaken, only thing i can think of is that the vall maybe slipped out of his hand? Not sure i was too far away to see any slips.

Theirs was re-taken as the ball didn’t come onto the pitch before it bounced pal. It was the correct decision to be fair. Quite rare that you ever see that though isn’t it.