Just goes to show what bad decision making we have had at our club, to say they are atleast that many years infront of us and they are is quite astonishing
Must only be me then ....
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No real surprise to a lot of fans tbh, the harsh reality is that since 2007 we have not only stood still but have regressed as a club. Apart from a brief flicker of hope in Wilsons first season in charge we have gone backwards selling our future alone the way until we found ourselves bottom of the shit pile with Weir. A few months back after the Crewe game a thread on this Forum widely claimed this to be just about the worst team in our history, a team looking certain for relegation.
Well what a transformation since Clough started to make his mark on how things are done, those same players mostly have shown they are good players at this league one level, some may not get another chance to play at Wembley, quite a few of the younger players have the potential to improve and maybe get there again. For a time they were just as good ............. no better than Premiership Hull city. I liken it to a learner driver who just sees things a few yards in front of his car, then we have the driver in his fast sports car who sees situations developing half a mile down the road, the only way to develop speed of thought is to be getting experience of driving in the fast lane. Our players are week in week out up against league one cloggers, Hulls players are up against some of the worlds best week in week out, when they spot a weakness or opportunity they exploit it to the full while our players are still thinking about it. To criticise the players is really very harsh we have a young team some of who are on a steep learning curve, Scougall for example was playing in front of a few thousand at Livingston in January which is a world away from 70,000+ at Wembley, I think Ollie needs to have a quiet word with himself or maybe phone the Samaritans
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Top fishing Ollessendro, you've got some cracking bites here.
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The tragedy was I'm certain that our second half plan was to defend deep and break on them. It's what we're good at and it's exactly what the situation required.
But like you say, to give such a scruffy goal away a minute into the half blew our plans and our composure.
SwissBlade
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I'd rather shit in my own hands and clap than play in that cup. Complete waste that we can't play our academy lads in itI wanna win the JPT next year...
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I'd agree with all your post pommpey, but especially the bit above. At the end of the season we can draw breath and assess how far we've come since February. Football is littered with teams who have over-reached themselves without a solid foundation and steady, measured progress. Bolton, Wolves, Cardiff, Swansea and Hull. (There was a very good article by Martin Samuel the other day
where he illustrated how Hull are pursuing the old 'global presence' myth. Even teams like Chelsea, Man. U etc. equate support and popularity by how many people in the Far East are wearing their shirts. $2 knock-offs from the local sweat shop, which will be swapped as soon as the 'next big thing' comes along. In marketing, market share is vanity, profits are sanity.)And, if these tactics result in the other lot gettin a late winner, we'd be having another thread on 'how Clough got it wrong'. Talking of Chelsea, last year they played Bayern in the final of the European Super Cup. Abandoning all pretentions to attack, they sat back until the inevitable happened. At one stage, Neuer the Bayern goalie was camped on the halfway line as the Bayern attacks rolled in continuously.
If you're going to lose, I'd rather it was in the style we showed on Sunday. Hull may well try to suffocate Arsenal in the final, but I think I know where that will get them.
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That's actually a good point dp. The PL sides have a distinct advantage playing under different rules in cup competition, not a level playing field from the start.
Like most on here don't think I can't find a single thing to find negative in our performance. Compared to our previous dire efforts against Palace, Wolves, Burnley and Huddersfield I walked away proud as punch. All we talked about in the car coming home was how good we played.
I agree with your comments regarding Brayford and Coady but I didn't leave the ground feeling annoyed like I usually do at Wembley. Its hard for us to compete on a big Wembley pitch again Premiership footballers, Huddlestone completely ran the game we don't have anybody close to his ability.
Hull are a premiership team they aren't in a relegation battle they will comfortably stay up this season, we this season are a league one team. We haven't taken the league by storm like Wolves, next season that might be the case but this we are a playoff team at best (recent form).
Hopefully with Clough on board, the Prince's money and FA Cup earnings next season we will have a right to have high expectations. But for this season lets just appreciate what we have achieved, beating two premiership teams away from home and two championship teams with a squad that nearly got relegated three months ago meant I came away from Wembley proud to be a Blade.
Hull are a premiership team they aren't in a relegation battle they will comfortably stay up this season, we this season are a league one team. We haven't taken the league by storm like Wolves, next season that might be the case but this we are a playoff team at best (recent form).
Hopefully with Clough on board, the Prince's money and FA Cup earnings next season we will have a right to have high expectations. But for this season lets just appreciate what we have achieved, beating two premiership teams away from home and two championship teams with a squad that nearly got relegated three months ago meant I came away from Wembley proud to be a Blade.
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On February 1st, we were as good as relegated. If our next fixture was a show piece game at Wembley against Premier League opposition, you'd have feared the defeat would run into double figures. Maybe some feared Fulham would hit double figures.
Any expectation that we might have won on Sunday either before the game or at half time was created by the performances, hard work and sheer guts of the players, and the calm, steady influence of our now hero of a manager. In little over two months they went from relegation certainties to breaking club records for consecutive wins and clean sheets, and making headlines with some memorable cup performances. To be disappointed by or critical of the outcome on Sunday is frankly ludicrous, and rather than congratulating the players and management on a remarkable two months you are making them victims of their own success.
Some people are just never satisfied.
Any expectation that we might have won on Sunday either before the game or at half time was created by the performances, hard work and sheer guts of the players, and the calm, steady influence of our now hero of a manager. In little over two months they went from relegation certainties to breaking club records for consecutive wins and clean sheets, and making headlines with some memorable cup performances. To be disappointed by or critical of the outcome on Sunday is frankly ludicrous, and rather than congratulating the players and management on a remarkable two months you are making them victims of their own success.
Some people are just never satisfied.
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No chance it's staying for now
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We are not Sheffield United who should be beating these teams because we have more history, more fans, a great cup run behind us, we are currently football minnows from the third division. We did well to go in 2-1 up at half time, the lads battled, showed flair and took the chances. But It could quite easily had been 2-2 at HT.
The Humber Jungle Cats' wage bill is around the £36million mark.
They receive nearly £100million every season for being the 13th best side in England.
Stephen Quinn will earn 2 or 3 times more than our highest paid player.
They are a team of big, strong players, some even resemble Welterweight boxers.
The lads Livermore and Huddlestone have England honours from being boys to senior level.
Stop thinking about how it was an opportunity lost because we didn't beat little old Hull City, Hull City are almost galacticos compared us at this point in time. In the future we maybe in a position to put £20million worth of talent on the bench and if that time comes and we lose to Hull Tigers in the cup semi finals after leading at HT I will be equally pissed off.
Until then, watch these and stop whining:
The Humber Jungle Cats' wage bill is around the £36million mark.
They receive nearly £100million every season for being the 13th best side in England.
Stephen Quinn will earn 2 or 3 times more than our highest paid player.
They are a team of big, strong players, some even resemble Welterweight boxers.
The lads Livermore and Huddlestone have England honours from being boys to senior level.
Stop thinking about how it was an opportunity lost because we didn't beat little old Hull City, Hull City are almost galacticos compared us at this point in time. In the future we maybe in a position to put £20million worth of talent on the bench and if that time comes and we lose to Hull Tigers in the cup semi finals after leading at HT I will be equally pissed off.
Until then, watch these and stop whining:
As I say, I agree it was a treemendous effort and I have nothing but praise for the players.
However, on a more personal level it was just Part 231 of the great Sheffield United saga of "wow, something amazing is going to happen....oh it isn't". See also:
1981: "yes, we have got a last minute pen that will keep us up...bugger!"
1994: "after playing crap all season great wins over Liverpool and Newcastle and a fighting last day draw at Chelsea will keep us up... shit!"
2003 "amazing, we have matched the best in the PL in a semi final and that last minute header from Peski has got us extra time.... "what!!!"
2012 "Ha! Hudders have missed their first three pens, nothing can stop us now...hang on..."
etc etc
However, on a more personal level it was just Part 231 of the great Sheffield United saga of "wow, something amazing is going to happen....oh it isn't". See also:
1981: "yes, we have got a last minute pen that will keep us up...bugger!"
1994: "after playing crap all season great wins over Liverpool and Newcastle and a fighting last day draw at Chelsea will keep us up... shit!"
2003 "amazing, we have matched the best in the PL in a semi final and that last minute header from Peski has got us extra time.... "what!!!"
2012 "Ha! Hudders have missed their first three pens, nothing can stop us now...hang on..."
etc etc
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Unfortunately only Harris turned up in the back 4, Harry had a mare and for some reason didn't seem to want to mark anyone, Collins was slow to react to most things, and Brayford showed that he's not very good at tucking in. Doyle should have just sat in front and protected but Huddlestones goal left us exposed, I also thought Coady had his worst game for a while and Baxter did my nut in. BUT I was still proud of the effort put in by players and fans alike, agree with Olle though, it was a big chance missed and its not the first time. We've simply got to go up next year and with that comes pressure for Mr Clough as we now have high expectations.
Well said, it's the start of something new. We have a lot to look forward to
I hardly think 'being a goal ahead at half time' fits this one in neatly with the rest. Everyone (apart from Olle apparently) knew there was a long way to go and we probably wouldn't make it.
I agree to an extent. In the usual time honoured United way, we would have hung on until the 89th minute and then Hull would have equalised and beaten us in extra time. At least this time we had 25 mins to get used to the idea it wasn't going to happen.
But, having said that, the quality of the performance in the first half and the fact that we had immediately struck back after Hull equalised, did make an FA Cup final appearance look a good bet. Hence the disappointment.
However, I don't blame the players at all. Hull played shit in the first half and we had to hope they would in the second. They upped their game to PL level in the 2nd half and that was it unfortunately.
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Well said Worksop_Blade, we're where we are for a reason, years, no, decades of poor decision making and it's only now that things appear to be turning a corner. We all make mistakes, including Clough, but we should be able to accept this. Instead let's appreciate what this man has brought to this club. The supporter's have begun to believe that the manager of their club is a cut above most who've managed SUFC.
Imagine, leaving a game where we've conceded 5 goals and feeling 'proud', can't be having that can we? That type of response just makes us gullible idiots in some people's eyes. But you know what? Given what we saw on Sunday, and given your analysis Worksop, we've got a lot to look forward to. Surely so many people can't all be wrong? We've got a good man at the helm, let's be grateful for that. By all means, when criticism is warranted we all know that us Blades can dish it out with the best of 'em, but showing our delight at having a really good manager in charge is the flip-side of that. I don't know about anyone else, but I could see Clough's disappointment and annoyance during that second half on Sunday. Isn't that what happens with managers? They instruct their team about the do's and don'ts of what they have to do, but what they can't be held responsible for is why their instructions are disregarded. Players are human too, so cutting them a little slack is in order. At the end I could see real emotion from our players. To describe it as being kicked in the nuts would underestimate their reaction. They were gutted. And so were we, but we also saw something we haven't done for.....well I can't recall how long. We were there, no loss of backbone, no pale imitations of who we are, we turned up, exchanged blow for blow, and did our very, very, best. If that isn't something to be proud of then I'm a fucking Dutchman!
Worksop_Blade, you summarised that perfectly, well done mate. If anyone can come away from that game and choose to focus on negatives, and not understand what's actually happening to this club of ours, it could be that they have terminal cynicism and won't accept another point of view, including the reality of how our manager is turning this club around.
Remember the Crewe game where we all berated Clough and his players? Well our Nigel gave those same players a piece of his mind, he challenged them to put things right, and the result was? Clean sheets, a fabulous unbeaten run, wonderful wins, and the supporters feeling buoyant and optimistic for the first time in years.....reasons to be cheerful? You betcha!!! UTB
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Scoreline journalism at its absolute worst Olly.
Good effort though.
Good effort though.
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I was speaking to the lad on the way home, Its the fucking hope that kills you!!
The big difference Sunday was that the hope was tinged with a larger amount of realism of where we are developmentally and the gap between us and our opponents. The players and vast majority of supporters made Sunday something a little special.
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My, my, my, we have some mediocrity lovers on here don’t we. Some of the new posters might want to go back to the North Korean Blades forum if they don’t want to hear opinions that aren’t super, duper positive.
You’ll all have to forgive me for actually wanting us to win and not just turning up for the day out. I apologise for hoping that we would outscore the opposition and not being happy with the 3 goals we scored (them scoring five and all). Sorry that I actually believed we would win and thought we were in a strong position at half time. How naïve of me to think we could win the game when Hull Kingston Rovers were always going to tear us apart.
I am glad none of the clappers did the team talk before the game at Villa Park, otherwise we would not have gone on this brilliant run. ‘The fans are just here for the experience boys and they don’t expect you to win. You’ve no right to win actually, as you are 3rd division bobbar and they are Premiership. Benteke must earn 3 times as much as any of you losers’.
The cup run has been fantastic and Nigel Clough has done a fantastic job. However all that was left behind when we took to the pitch at Wembley. I am not into sentimental bullshit about how far we have come (which is a long way since February I agree) but I wanted us to get to the final. It was 11 vs 11 and a one off match which we had a good chance of winning. We outplayed them first half and should have gone on to won. We got in the lead and gave away soft goals. Hull played at 60% and were therefore beatable. Just like Fulham and Villa, they had an off day. The difference was that our rabbits in the headlights gave Hull some presents. Our lads have done brilliant recently, but they flopped on the big stage. Hull did not tear us apart, we merely fell apart. The way we just let them run through us in the 2nd half was sickening and the period between 48 and 67 minutes was up there with the first half an hour vs Wolves in 2003 (for me),
When do you lot of clappers think we will get the chance to get to an FA cup final again?
You’ll all have to forgive me for actually wanting us to win and not just turning up for the day out. I apologise for hoping that we would outscore the opposition and not being happy with the 3 goals we scored (them scoring five and all). Sorry that I actually believed we would win and thought we were in a strong position at half time. How naïve of me to think we could win the game when Hull Kingston Rovers were always going to tear us apart.
I am glad none of the clappers did the team talk before the game at Villa Park, otherwise we would not have gone on this brilliant run. ‘The fans are just here for the experience boys and they don’t expect you to win. You’ve no right to win actually, as you are 3rd division bobbar and they are Premiership. Benteke must earn 3 times as much as any of you losers’.
The cup run has been fantastic and Nigel Clough has done a fantastic job. However all that was left behind when we took to the pitch at Wembley. I am not into sentimental bullshit about how far we have come (which is a long way since February I agree) but I wanted us to get to the final. It was 11 vs 11 and a one off match which we had a good chance of winning. We outplayed them first half and should have gone on to won. We got in the lead and gave away soft goals. Hull played at 60% and were therefore beatable. Just like Fulham and Villa, they had an off day. The difference was that our rabbits in the headlights gave Hull some presents. Our lads have done brilliant recently, but they flopped on the big stage. Hull did not tear us apart, we merely fell apart. The way we just let them run through us in the 2nd half was sickening and the period between 48 and 67 minutes was up there with the first half an hour vs Wolves in 2003 (for me),
When do you lot of clappers think we will get the chance to get to an FA cup final again?
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Everybody wanted us to win. Don't think you're some sort of revolutionary....
Hull played crap in the first half, and upped their game in the second. Aston Villa and fulham played well below their capacity for the entire ties.
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I'm new (we'll posted 3 times when I first joined nearly 3 years ago and came back today)! And yes, wondering what I've let myself in for. You are like Lendgoey on steroids! Christ!! Even he is more sensible in his objectiveness however, and your take on the game overall is drivel putting it mildly. I can't help thinking we could have done more to mitigate the damage in the first part of the 2nd half but by and large the fact that they are Premiership with the experience that comes, has more to do with it than you will accept and if you saw a side bottling it again you need to rip your eye balls out and throw them in the bin (or evaluate your knowledge of the game).. Sheesh!
itsinyerblood
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Ollessendro, bit delusional there mate. After all, who appointed you as the arbiter of what opinions are acceptable?
I'm all for a diversity of opinion, just as long as that means there can be a diversity of response too, think that's how it works, or do you wish to correct that? Perhaps you can select a quote that supports not wanting to read all shades of opinion on here? I won't hold my breath waiting while you search rigorously though.
Are you able to know what would, or wouldn't, work as a team talk? If so, you should be manager mate, not Cloughie.
If you can recognise that the teams we've played had an off day, why shouldn't that same negative apply to us, at least in the second half? Yeah, we got it wrong, so your advice is to do what, verbally denigrate the players? The way you employ hyperbole is sickening, calm down fella, overstating your case by using language that's theatrical as well as inappropriate only weakens your critical argument. If you're genuinely sickened (doncha just love the need to emphasise in bold verbiage, as if the reader isn't able to understand?) by united playing poorly, even at Wembley, how on earth do you react when you're confronted by a genuine tragedy? What happens then, are you uber-sickened? Get a grip Olle, you're not making a great deal of sense.
Not one Blade will have wanted the team to lose, but those of us who realised it might happen will have seen exactly what you witnessed. Are any of us happy about it? Yeah, I'm fucking ecstatic Olle, couldn't be happier that the team I support got beaten. I just live for moments like this, and whatever other bollocks makes a mockery of the stupidity contained within your mail.
I don't speak on anyone's behalf other than my own, but I know quite a few Blades who, after reading your 'critique', would most likely shrug their shoulders, shake their heads, and be glad that you're a minority within a minority.
Tell you what Olle, if you ever get to give a team talk can you make sure we all get to see it mate, we could all do with a how-not-to-do-it video. UTB (you'd agree with that wouldn't you Olle?)
Blackheath Blade
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Olle - as you are one of the more forthright posters on here, I respect your views and will continue to do so.
On this occasion however, you're talking bollocks.
On this occasion however, you're talking bollocks.
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Okay. Now I know he is winding us up.
Just ignore him, eh?
pommpey
Just ignore him, eh?
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Complete waste that we can't play our academy lads in it[/QUOTE]
The correct term according to taj is, isn't it
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