Outgoing? Jefferson Caceres

[Gin&Juice]

To a club owned by someone linked with us yeah

We’ve been too nice and proper for far too long.

It’s time to bend the rules like every other clubs.

Good guys finish last. Bad guys have a blast.

 

[Rodley]

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Pars on Sir Jeff

 

[Slim Man]

We’ve been too nice and proper for far too long.

It’s time to bend the rules like every other clubs.

Good guys finish last. Bad guys have a blast.

Whilst I agree, I don't think Dunfermline Athletic have the capital to sign all of our duds

 

[Gin&Juice]

Whilst I agree, I don't think Dunfermline Athletic have the capital to sign all of our duds

That’s what Bulgaria’s for.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

They are inventing a new version of chess........called "cheap player chess".......your move..clocks ticking.

 

[HeySethUTB]

And there we have it, what I thought would happen seems to be happening, use us to sign players that can then be loaned to a club that wouldn’t normally have the chance to buy them or attract them.

 

[bertieblade]

We will not loan them, they have to be sold as we will need to relinquish their registration.

 

[Freddy Dunning-Kruger]

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Yep, that's exactly what it looks like.

 

[Tarqs]

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Yep, that's exactly what it looks like.

Convenient, i like it.

 

[JohnDenver]

We will not loan them, they have to be sold as we will need to relinquish their registration.

Maybe insert a buyback clause and let him go for free?

 

[ITALIANO BLADE]

there a joke them owners

 

[robbiez666]

I'd love to know how much were signing these players for. If it's anything like the fees discussed what a total waste of very limited funds.

 

[Th!stledo]

Trying to understand how the system works.
If selling the player frees up one of our wildcards spaces, does he then become one of the buyer's wildcards?

 

[Railway Blade]

Trying to understand how the system works.
If selling the player frees up one of our wildcards spaces, does he then become one of the buyer's wildcards?

Scottish fa are more flexible with exemptions. Plus Dunfermline would be buying a player from the English championship not from Paddington bears homeland

 

[JOEYDEE]

This AI player finding business is alright...as long as we use the right leagues,ie Germans,French ,Italian etc,not some shifty league a la Bulgaria etc.
May as well scan our own lower leagues,conference North/ South ...it's about same standard !

 

[CrookesBlade]

This is a disgrace.

I’ve ordered a 10 foot flag from Temu saying

“Big Jeff Caraces will kick you in the knackers” and he’ll be gone before they’ve had chance to ship it.

 

[tincan]

Its all financed by our gambling board members betting on a 4 1 home defeat to a team we beat 6 0

 

[LurkerBlade]

This AI player finding business is alright...as long as we use the right leagues,ie Germans,French ,Italian etc,not some shifty league a la Bulgaria etc.
May as well scan our own lower leagues,conference North/ South ...it's about same standard !

German, French, Italian leagues are scouted to death - Brighton pushed to south america - Caceres and Ukaki don't look like wasted money yet. We could say the same about Anis and Benie - from similar places to Anel.

We have found someone in Portugal too, lets give it a minute.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

I imagine this will be an Archer situation given that our lead AI scout is one of the owners of Dunfermline. Caceres goes to Dunfermline on a permanent transfer with a low fee so that they own his registration and we free up a permit place in the squad. If he develops and looks like he has Championship potential then we buy him back for the same fee with an agreement that they cannot sell him without first offering him to us. It makes sense all round. It doesn't mean Caceres isn't good enough or never will be, it's more to do with us maximising our permit spaces and developing the AI lead recruits as part of the long term plan with them.

 

[Tarqs]

I imagine this will be an Archer situation given that our lead AI scout is one of the owners of Dunfermline. Caceres goes to Dunfermline on a permanent transfer with a low fee so that they own his registration and we free up a permit place in the squad. If he develops and looks like he has Championship potential then we buy him back for the same fee with an agreement that they cannot sell him without first offering him to us. It makes sense all round. It doesn't mean Caceres isn't good enough or never will be, it's more to do with us maximising our permit spaces and developing the AI lead recruits as part of the long term plan with them.

Stop talking sense man.

 

[Rodley]

I imagine this will be an Archer situation given that our lead AI scout is one of the owners of Dunfermline. Caceres goes to Dunfermline on a permanent transfer with a low fee so that they own his registration and we free up a permit place in the squad. If he develops and looks like he has Championship potential then we buy him back for the same fee with an agreement that they cannot sell him without first offering him to us. It makes sense all round. It doesn't mean Caceres isn't good enough or never will be, it's more to do with us maximising our permit spaces and developing the AI lead recruits as part of the long term plan with them.

But obviously we’re out of pocket to the tune of the original fee, in a season and moment in time where we have a limited budget and desperately need quality additions.

 

[Maidenhead]

And I understand he part owns the club we signed Polendakov from!

Pars attacker makes Bulgarian switch

Dunfermline Athletic's Dapo Mebude has left the club to make a loan move to Bulgaria.

www.dunfermlinepress.com

It’s the ciiiiiiiiiircle, the ciiiiiircle of liiiiiiiiiiiiiifffffe

Any excuse to slip a bit of Harry in

 

[Balham]

But obviously we’re out of pocket to the tune of the original fee, in a season and moment in time where we have a limited budget and desperately need quality additions.

That original fee was somewhere in the region of $800k, or 10 weeks' wages for Hamza Choudhury.

 

[Davalon]

German, French, Italian leagues are scouted to death - Brighton pushed to south america - Caceres and Ukaki don't look like wasted money yet. We could say the same about Anis and Benie - from similar places to Anel.

We have found someone in Portugal too, lets give it a minute.

Bit radical for quite a few on here

 

[Rodley]

That original fee was somewhere in the region of $800k, or 10 weeks' wages for Hamza Choudhury.

Ah not a huge sum, I’d more glib though if we weren’t so parsimonious thus far.

 

[robbiez666]

I imagine this will be an Archer situation given that our lead AI scout is one of the owners of Dunfermline. Caceres goes to Dunfermline on a permanent transfer with a low fee so that they own his registration and we free up a permit place in the squad. If he develops and looks like he has Championship potential then we buy him back for the same fee with an agreement that they cannot sell him without first offering him to us. It makes sense all round. It doesn't mean Caceres isn't good enough or never will be, it's more to do with us maximising our permit spaces and developing the AI lead recruits as part of the long term plan with them.

1. We lose the fee we paid
2. The player has to agree to all that (he's not a slave)
3. The Premier League, EFL and FA are looking at ways to crack down on this stuff. Given the player we signed with him has been part of a human trafficking investigation, what are the odds we'll be it?
4. It's mortally and ethically reprehensible and not in the spirit of the game. I couldn't care less how other clubs operate, this shouldn't be us.

 

[Bladeloyal]

Well paid young man getting to see the world stopping in nice accomodation playing sport .not bad this slave trade

 

[Brownieblade]

Can’t see the problem myself and no idea why some do

Vast majority of young footballers over here will be willing to go abroad if they can’t get in somewhere here

If we think the lad won’t make it and another team are willing to give him a shot then good luck to him

 

[LurkerBlade]

Can’t see the problem myself and no idea why some do

Vast majority of young footballers over here will be willing to go abroad if they can’t get in somewhere here

If we think the lad won’t make it and another team are willing to give him a shot then good luck to him

In American the young lads don't get a choice at all - maybe some would have seen the lad who got traded and sadly couldn't cope.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

1. We lose the fee we paid
2. The player has to agree to all that (he's not a slave)
3. The Premier League, EFL and FA are looking at ways to crack down on this stuff. Given the player we signed with him has been part of a human trafficking investigation, what are the odds we'll be it?
4. It's mortally and ethically reprehensible and not in the spirit of the game. I couldn't care less how other clubs operate, this shouldn't be us.

1. Only if he stays at Dunfermline and never returns. Even then he barely cost us £1mil so not a huge loss compared to what we lost on McBurnie, Brewster and Luke Freeman.

2. He probably would agree as it would be proposed that he plays regular football for one season with a view to returning at the end, so no different to us sending him out on loan.

3. The investigation is into African players being trafficked into Bulgaria by Russia. Caceres is Peruvian so he won't be part of it. Nwachukwu was already established in Bulgaria and playing regularly when we signed him, so Sheffield United have no part to play in the investigation and have nothing to worry about.

4. Maybe. But if we sell him then buy him back a season later then we haven't broken any rules. Clubs re-sign players all the time. Sometimes for a fee. Sometimes not. How many times did we sell Sharp and buy him back? Fans wanted McBurnie back this summer. There's not much difference. The dodgy deals are if we sell Dunfermline an academy players and register this for FFP profit, and we buy one of their for the same fee for their FFP, like Everton and Forest did. That's figure fudging. Us selling Caceres and buying him back would not be for FFP and fudging figures. It would be to get him out on loan but freeing up a permit space at the same time. It's no different to what Aston Villa did with Archer.