Sack Wilder for Rubén Sellés - What's your verdict?

[TJ blade]

I voted good move and it will be if his hangers on/fan boys phuck off with him too, they are like a cancer that needs cutting out.

What the fuck ! Is this " gets the club bolloxs"

 

[luffenhamblade]

The poster i was referring to said selles was a yes man and had only been employed as he'd agreed to all his players being picked by AI

Fair enough but the response is very social media clickbait.

 

[The Crab]

I was always (and still am) dubious about the likes of Speed and Weir given they had no managerial CV. Adkins I was chuffed with on the day he was announced... oops.

Weir, I thought his other credentials would help him, it really didn’t.

Adkin’s, not a bad track record before us so I thought we’d be fine. We really weren’t

 

[Frank the tank]

Fair enough but the response is very social media clickbait.

Its anything but

 

[metalblade]

Seeing the responses their is a certain section of the fanbase that will not give Selles a chance, even hoping we get relegated, so yeah if fans are hoping we fail or get relegated they are better away from the club and the club will be better without them. Leaks to the press and not so long back the starting line up's were leaked on social media, seems to me that their are or have been opposing factions inside the lane,we have not been United in a while. I only hope the new owners can clear out the crap and get everyone pulling in one direction without the bladey bladey bollocks.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Weir, I thought his other credentials would help him, it really didn’t.

Adkin’s, not a bad track record before us so I thought we’d be fine. We really weren’t

I guess the reality is we won't know until about November (some would say longer). I also thought Weir was a positive appointment. Doh!

 

[The Crab]

I guess the reality is we won't know until about November (some would say longer). I also thought Weir was a positive appointment. Doh!

Yeah.

Depends on the changes tactically and player that RS makes and how quickly they bed in

 

[Dkc]

Seeing the responses their is a certain section of the fanbase that will not give Selles a chance, even hoping we get relegated

I've not seen a single post saying that we shouldn't back Selles or hoping we get relegated.

Most people I know thoughy Wilder should have been given another season. But they are all backing the new guy and hoping for promotion.

 

[Tezza1889]

Cut the toxic stuff ladies and gents..

They say you should never go back, I was over the moon with Hecky whe he replaced Slav, not so happy on Wilders return, should have stayed with Hecky was my opinion.

I do think though now the repeat of the Slav experiment with selles will be a positive one..

More money, better players in the squad, he's got a fighting chance of changing the culture..

Which needs to happen..sooner or later, we have to evolve from this "elbows out" up and at em, feeding off scraps, our players can play good football, lets let them attack..

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

As harsh as it may seem to some other players, I think O'Hare and Hamer together could thrive together in the middle of the park under Selles, if we can bring in two proper wingers this summer. He likes central midfielders to press and win back possession off the ball, and keep the ball and use it intelligently in a positive way in attack or carry the ball and drive with it. This style of football suits Hamer and O'Hare, particularly O'Hare who is a superb box to box midfielder.

 

[Dkc]

They say you should never go back,

I've heard that said quite a few times with regard to football. Not sure who 'they' are but if we followed 'their' rules John Harris wouldn't have signed Tony Currie got us promoted and Billy Sharp would have only played a couple of games for our first team.

I do think though now the repeat of the Slav experiment with selles will be a positive one..

More money, better players in the squad, he's got a fighting chance of changing the culture..

Which needs to happen..sooner or later, we have to evolve from this "elbows out" up and at em, feeding off scraps, our players can play good football, lets let them attack..

I agree that we seem to have more money today, but it remains to be seen which players move on.

I think you're doing Wilder a disservice in your description of our style of play. It may not have been easy to watch for some but it was often posession-based and patient.

 

[blade too long]

Where are all these Wilder obsessed fans that want us to get relegated.. Just because the choice of new manager isn't that inspiring...I've said there's a case for change ..no problem with that... just think I'd like a stronger looking case for employing Selles say a run of 5 wins on the trot in his career...some evidence we will compete. But some of the nonsense aimed at concerned about United going forward fans are purely about ousting Wilder agendas....

We want the blades to stay at the sharp end ..
If this works great ... but some of the reasons offered regarding totally data based selections may appeal to US sports it's what's ruining football for me.....gets more like American football every year....be 30 subs to select from soon . All this club world club crap..what are they trying to fob us off with.

 

[bartman]

Yes, I'm sure that's why they got rid of him.

Obviously, a bunck of Yanks from Cleveland OH know a lot more about Championship football than Wilder and Knill.

Maybe be the owners saw the following:
1. Wilder spending £10mil on a striker in the JTW when that money should have been used on a starting centre half
2. The Premier League experienced centre half bbrought in on loan behind Robinson in the starting line up
3. Heavily backed in the transfer window and points per game got worse
4. Embarrassing rant after the win at Hillsborough
5. The on the pitch reaction after the defeat at Plymouth
6. The club heavily fined for poor discipline of the manager and team in several games
7. Insipid style of football with the manager seemingly being unable to produce a team that had a constant goal threat in many games
8. The apology of the performances in those three games when we were top of the league towards the end of the season which cost the club the autos
9. The decision to take our fastest striker off the pitch at Wembley and not replacing with another striker seeming trying to defend a one nil lead again?
10. Replacing the striker with a midfield player handing them the initiative as they could defend higher up the pitch as we lacked pace down the middle which cost us the game
11. The rumoured reluctance from the manager to consider alternative methods of recruitment
12. The 'laddish' culture, apparantly drunk and singing about opposition managers which may be considered not appropriate for the corporate image of the club or vision of the club the owners wish to portray

 

[54yrblade]

Maybe be the owners saw the following:
1. Wilder spending £10mil on a striker in the JTW when that money should have been used on a starting centre half
2. The Premier League experienced centre half bbrought in on loan behind Robinson in the starting line up
3. Heavily backed in the transfer window and points per game got worse
4. Embarrassing rant after the win at Hillsborough
5. The on the pitch reaction after the defeat at Plymouth
6. The club heavily fined for poor discipline of the manager and team in several games
7. Insipid style of football with the manager seemingly being unable to produce a team that had a constant goal threat in many games
8. The apology of the performances in those three games when we were top of the league towards the end of the season which cost the club the autos
9. The decision to take our fastest striker off the pitch at Wembley and not replacing with another striker seeming trying to defend a one nil lead again?
10. Replacing the striker with a midfield player handing them the initiative as they could defend higher up the pitch as we lacked pace down the middle which cost us the game
11. The rumoured reluctance from the manager to consider alternative methods of recruitment
12. The 'laddish' culture, apparantly drunk and singing about opposition managers which may be considered not appropriate for the corporate image of the club or vision of the club the owners wish to portray

But, but, but 'he's one of our own' or, to be accurate, WAS.

Surely that trumps everything?
We were 9th in the PL you know so just you be grateful!

How dare you evidence his limitations & weaknesses?

(Thumps chest while making coffee)

 

[I should coco]

Maybe be the owners saw the following:
1. Wilder spending £10mil on a striker in the JTW when that money should have been used on a starting centre half
2. The Premier League experienced centre half bbrought in on loan behind Robinson in the starting line up
3. Heavily backed in the transfer window and points per game got worse
4. Embarrassing rant after the win at Hillsborough
5. The on the pitch reaction after the defeat at Plymouth
6. The club heavily fined for poor discipline of the manager and team in several games
7. Insipid style of football with the manager seemingly being unable to produce a team that had a constant goal threat in many games
8. The apology of the performances in those three games when we were top of the league towards the end of the season which cost the club the autos
9. The decision to take our fastest striker off the pitch at Wembley and not replacing with another striker seeming trying to defend a one nil lead again?
10. Replacing the striker with a midfield player handing them the initiative as they could defend higher up the pitch as we lacked pace down the middle which cost us the game
11. The rumoured reluctance from the manager to consider alternative methods of recruitment
12. The 'laddish' culture, apparantly drunk and singing about opposition managers which may be considered not appropriate for the corporate image of the club or vision of the club the owners wish to portray

Maybe some people just love the 'passhun'?

I'm sure Selles's Powerpoint presentation was very impressive, but I prefer my manager to hace his hear on his sleeve. My best times watching this club have been under Basset and Wilder, men who cared so much that it hurt.

 

[bartman]

Maybe some people just love the 'passhun'?

I'm sure Selles's Powerpoint presentation was very impressive, but I prefer my manager to hace his hear on his sleeve. My best times watching this club have been under Basset and Wilder, men who cared so much that it hurt.

'Passhun' only takes you so far thou. Most managers or coaches care about the club they are involved with but in the end,even for for Bassett ( who in my lifetime is ,IMHO,our best manager) it isn't enough.

In terms of Wilder, football has changed incredibly in terms of finances, tactics and coaching since he got us promoted to the top league.

He was openly showing the pressure of the job at times last season

Maybe 'Wilder 's way' is for the history books now as football has moved on. Surely 'passhun' can be balanced with a technical good coach whi plays an exciting brand of football.

Whether the new coach can do that ? We are about to find out over the next few months

 

[Rodley]

Maybe some people just love the 'passhun'?

I'm sure Selles's Powerpoint presentation was very impressive, but I prefer my manager to hace his hear on his sleeve. My best times watching this club have been under Basset and Wilder, men who cared so much that it hurt.

Ultimately Selles has to do what Wilder couldn’t and get us over the top. The fans will back him to do so and I’d expect the board to do the same, but if it’s a shitshow and we’re not in and around the top two come November / December he will be under huge pressure.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Maybe some people just love the 'passhun'?

I'm sure Selles's Powerpoint presentation was very impressive, but I prefer my manager to hace his hear on his sleeve. My best times watching this club have been under Basset and Wilder, men who cared so much that it hurt.

And despite how much they both cared, their last seasons were meek and uninspired despite having the players available to produce much better performances.

Managers don't play. Their 'pashun' lasts about 30 seconds into the game before it's down to the players and the detailed tactical instructions they've been given.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Irola at Bournemouth was obviously a very good footballer but his managerial career up till Bournemouth consisted of a couple of cup runs with 2nd division teams after a disaster spell overseas. No guarantee Selles is anywhere near that, but hiring people on what they did well in completely different circumstances in the past is not as important as hiring someone you think can be elite going forward.

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[ATL Recs]

My reaction

December 1973 Ken Furphy - Found it hard to imagine John Harris was no longer the manager but my dad spoke highly of Furphy

October 1975 Jimmy Sirrel - Was surprised at the appointment as he was "Mr Notts County" and I was baffled that he insisted on working at Notts County on a month's notice which lasted just a week as the directors told him that he can go. My dad thought "good appointment"

January 1978 Harry Haslam - Was surprised because he did turn down the chance of becoming our manager some weeks earlier but then decided to join us after the 0-5, 1-5 and 1-5 successive defeats. Again, my dad thought "good appointment".

January 1981 Martin Peters - I was excited and thought he was the manager to bring us success despite that I wasnt a regular for home games due to playing football on Saturday afternoons! How wrong was I!

Summer 1981 Ian Porterfield - Impressed that we got a manager who led his team to win the 3rd division persuading him to leave a 2nd division club to join a 4th division club but thought the 10 year contract was excessive.

March 1986 Billy McEwan - I hardly knew him but my dad heard from one or two of the staff at the club that Billy is enthusiastic, strong on discipline and full of ideas.

January 1988 Dave Bassett - Didnt want him because of his long ball reputation but then I started to love him in 1988-89 and I returned to become a regular at the Lane and started going to away matches again.

December 1995 Howard Kendall - I wanted Neil Warnock and I wasnt convinced that Kendall would change the style of our football with success but he did despite ending in a big disappointment at Wembley.

Summer 1998 Steve Bruce - I was excited and thought he was going to bring in quality players.

Summer 1999 Adrian Heath - I remember watching BBC Look North of him being unveiled as our new manager in front of a virtually empty BDTBL with just Lisa Clarke and her mum giving him a welcome and holding their scarves above their heads. It felt all low key!

December 1999 Neil Warnock - I did want him a few years earlier but wasnt sure this time because his managerial rating for me had dropped down as he was Bury's manager at the time.

Summer 2007 Bryan Robson - I was very horrified but an Academy coach at SUFC who worked with me also a well known figure at the SUFC office staff spoke highly of Robson and both were saying that they are confident of us going up! They were wrong and I was right

February 2008 Kevin Blackwell - I thought "sensible appointment"

August 2010 Gary Speed - Wasnt sure

December 2010 Micky Adams - I thought "Good appointment"

Summer 2011 Danny Wilson - I agreed with the appointment as he did well at Barnsley and Wendy but was let down by Di Canio and Carbone's "player power". I was annoyed with the stupid car park protest just because of Danny's Wendy's connections.

Summer 2013 David Weir - I didnt agree with the appointment as he had no managerial experience.

October 2013 Nigel Clough - I wasnt sure

Summer 2015 Nigel Adkins - I thought "Good appointment!"

Summer 2016 Chris Wilder - I took interest in what he was doing as a football manager and I thought "One day he will manage us!" and I told my son that. I was delighted at the appointment.

Summer 2021 Slaviša Jokanović - I thought it was a brave decision that we appointed a foreign manager for the first time.

November 2021 Paul Heckingbottom - I thought "cheap option"

December 2023 Chris Wilder - I am a strong believer of "Never go back"


A mixture of "I was right" and "I was wrong"

You’ve missed Spackmsn out I know it was a short stay but that wasn’t his fault and he had a brilliant team playing brilliant football then came January

 

[Sean Thornton]

I've not seen a single post saying that we shouldn't back Selles or hoping we get relegated.

Most people I know thoughy Wilder should have been given another season. But they are all backing the new guy and hoping for promotion.

“Im not waiting ...that's me done...the whinge merchants have achieved what owls fans have tried for years .fucked us up big style ...some clueless under achiever in as they drive out a serial contender


Some of the boring football bollox is replaced by a man who got Hull to 49 points .....

I'll go again in November when he's sacked”



“I'd be gutted if we end up getting someone in with zero history of getting any team promoted from any division.
If we sack Wilder for Selles its car park time, simple as that.”

 

[ATL Recs]

That first match at Ipswich was just the most incredible switch in style of football within a couple of weeks. The 4-0 at Stoke, Michel Vonk was also memorable. Did Tony Battersby score that day? I loved everything about Bassett though. The early five years were an incredible time to be a Blade.

It was literally when we kicked off it was short passing not pass hoof into channel
It was a massive culture shock due to the direct football we had become accustomed to

 

[The Crab]

You’ve missed Spackmsn out I know it was a short stay but that wasn’t his fault and he had a brilliant team playing brilliant football then came January

Agreed. It’s a great shame that we didn’t get to see more of what a Spackman team could achieve.

I also feel that if Ched had just fucked off home to the Mrs that night we’d have seen more of what a Danny Wilson team could achieve.

Sliding doors moments

 

[Sean Thornton]

“Im not waiting ...that's me done...the whinge merchants have achieved what owls fans have tried for years .fucked us up big style ...some clueless under achiever in as they drive out a serial contender


Some of the boring football bollox is replaced by a man who got Hull to 49 points .....

I'll go again in November when he's sacked”



“I'd be gutted if we end up getting someone in with zero history of getting any team promoted from any division.
If we sack Wilder for Selles its car park time, simple as that.”

“ will just start off by saying I am stunned many will know I didn't hide my disdain for some of Chris Wilders tactical decisions and team decisions last season but I cannot believe we have replaced Chris Wilder with Ruben Selles.

That has to be the worst managerial appointment I can recall in my life time and we have seen some dross over the years.

But this is taking the biscuit who was in charge of finding our next manager Stevie Wonder?

I was willing to give the new owners COH Sports the benefit of the doubt.

But they have already proven they are a set of chancers I.M.O and to me it looks like the Prince has sold us to a set of penniless owners who ar going to rely on cheap foreign Imports hoping they can come good and make a profit.

I am absolutely astounded at the decision to appoint Ruben Selles Cooper Ahmedhodzic Hamer Souza etc will be off and I guarantee the money will go on cheap foreign sh*te and league 1 players that are not good enough.

Any optimism I had for the new season has disappeared and I feel thoroughly depressed being a Blade yet again.

Because as soon as we get ourselves into a good position on and off the field the owners somehow manage to f it up.

And it appears we have another set of Chancers in COH Sports who clearly do not have a clue what they are doing.

I can see the atmosphere turning ugly at the Lane especially if we have a bad start.


And if any representatives of COH are reading this well done for turning our club into a laughing stock appointing a manager that wasn't even good enough for Hull”


One of the “of course l back him” gang referred to him as Poundland Arteta and invoked Xisco’s name

 

[ATL Recs]

Maybe be the owners saw the following:
1. Wilder spending £10mil on a striker in the JTW when that money should have been used on a starting centre half
2. The Premier League experienced centre half bbrought in on loan behind Robinson in the starting line up
3. Heavily backed in the transfer window and points per game got worse
4. Embarrassing rant after the win at Hillsborough
5. The on the pitch reaction after the defeat at Plymouth
6. The club heavily fined for poor discipline of the manager and team in several games
7. Insipid style of football with the manager seemingly being unable to produce a team that had a constant goal threat in many games
8. The apology of the performances in those three games when we were top of the league towards the end of the season which cost the club the autos
9. The decision to take our fastest striker off the pitch at Wembley and not replacing with another striker seeming trying to defend a one nil lead again?
10. Replacing the striker with a midfield player handing them the initiative as they could defend higher up the pitch as we lacked pace down the middle which cost us the game
11. The rumoured reluctance from the manager to consider alternative methods of recruitment
12. The 'laddish' culture, apparantly drunk and singing about opposition managers which may be considered not appropriate for the corporate image of the club or vision of the club the owners wish to portray

ALL THE ABOVE

 

[GymClassHero]

To EVERYBODY.
If you put in a vote - PLEASE put it aka VOTE in the title.
I only came back after the nightmare of the playoff final to vote on things.
Wilder is a disaster he had to go so I voted yes.
That being said CALL ME OLD FASHIONED I want to see if Selles is the answer WHEN WE PLAY !!!!

Worst appointment
equally bad - total disasters both
Danny Relegation Wilson. Half the team future Prem players and he could not get out the third so we lost them all.
Wilder return.

As for this alleged success last season.
The only success I noted at the Lane was WILDER and KNILL getting a massive payout rather than a direct kick out the door.
WE HAD four failures and shite football almost every game.
THIRD in a three horse race.
Winning the Playoffs easily and the imbecile Wilder sits back for thirty minutes despite the disasters all the previous worst ever season. Does he watch the ****ing games rather than just stand and pose to the cameras?
Possible worst ever performance to lose to a Barnsley team who had won nothing at home all season
Lost at home to relegated Cardiff.

We lost best player Bogle for peanuts who was key to our opponents success over us and best young striker Osula plus Jebbison and wasted the money on the useless CANNON

We lost promotion, £200 million is it and because of that more top players

WHAT SUCCESS for sufc?????
IT WAS A ****ING HEARTBREAKING DISASTER in the real world.

Bogle our best player? Which United have you been watching? And what plant have you been smoking

 

[Salmon Pastures]

It was literally when we kicked off it was short passing not pass hoof into channel
It was a massive culture shock due to the direct football we had become accustomed to

John Gannon knew he was under orders not to hoof it. Watching him in those first few minutes was surreal.

 

[Silent Blade]

I've heard that said quite a few times with regard to football. Not sure who 'they' are but if we followed 'their' rules John Harris wouldn't have signed Tony Currie got us promoted

John Harris signed TC in his first spell and we got relegation a few months later. You were probably thinking of Trevor Hockey and John Hope that got us promotion in Harris' second spell.

 

[Dkc]

John Harris signed TC in his first spell and we got relegation a few months later. You were probably thinking of Trevor Hockey and John Hope that got us promotion in Harris' second spell.

My mistake. Didn't Harris sign Eddie Colquoun too?

 

[Silent Blade]

You’ve missed Spackmsn out I know it was a short stay but that wasn’t his fault and he had a brilliant team playing brilliant football then came January

Yes, forgot him. He was the caretaker manager and our board were looking for a new manager but the fans wrote to the board telling them to make Spackman the permanent manager after a fine start to the 1997-98 season. I was ok with the decision but in hindsight I think the board should have appointed a more experienced manager because Spackman had "lost his bottle" and walked away!