If Chris Wilder goes…

[TJ blade]

NO, Let's start by mentioning Sir John Harris and Dave Bassett

Correct

 

[ben1987]

I didn’t really want him back and I’m 50/50 as to whether he should stay or go.

But he’s still a legend

 

[ATL Recs]

A legend 100% but time to move on 100%

 

[ATL Recs]

Correct

That wasn’t the question yes Harris and Bassett both 100% club legends
The question was referring to Wilder only

 

[nopigfansintown]

He's objectively a tier one club legend. Ironically that's why a few hundred malcontents in our own fan base despise him and, in truth, only ever begrudgingly gave him any credit for anything. If his name was Christophe Wilderinho the same people would be licking his ring piece. It's a funny old world...

What Wilder has inadvertently succeeded in doing is exposing the United fan base. It's unfortunately not really what it was built up to be by my predecessors. It's as entitled, deluded and changeable as any other and more than most. That's been a sad revelation (to me at least). I saw it a bit towards the end of Warnock's tenure (and before the promotion) , was told how it turned towards the back end of Basset, but it has been a stark reality since results started to go south in the second Prem season. Really surprising and disappointing. The nature of a lot of it has been disgusting and disrespectful. Wilder's biggest mistake was taking the job the second time having to endure it all

 

[ATL Recs]

Also would you say he is the best manager in our history?

John Harris always the best his style of play if my memory serves me well weren’t we referred to as the West Ham of the North for a while

 

[Nick Jansky]

He's objectively a tier one club legend. Ironically that's why a few hundred malcontents in our own fan base despise him and, in truth, only ever begrudgingly gave him any credit for anything. If his name was Christophe Wilderinho the same people would be licking his ring piece. It's a funny old world...

What Wilder has inadvertently succeeded in doing is exposing the United fan base. It's unfortunately not really what it was built up to be by my predecessors. It's as entitled, deluded and changeable as any other and more than most. That's been a sad revelation (to me at least). I saw it a bit towards the end of Warnock's tenure (and before the promotion) , was told how it turned towards the back end of Basset, but it has been a stark reality since results started to go south in the second Prem season. Really surprising and disappointing. The nature of a lot of it has been disgusting and disrespectful. Wilder's biggest mistake was taking the job the second time having to endure it all

What a shame that not all Blades are as exemplary as you.

 

[ATL Recs]

He's objectively a tier one club legend. Ironically that's why a few hundred malcontents in our own fan base despise him and, in truth, only ever begrudgingly gave him any credit for anything. If his name was Christophe Wilderinho the same people would be licking his ring piece. It's a funny old world...

What Wilder has inadvertently succeeded in doing is exposing the United fan base. It's unfortunately not really what it was built up to be by my predecessors. It's as entitled, deluded and changeable as any other and more than most. That's been a sad revelation (to me at least). I saw it a bit towards the end of Warnock's tenure (and before the promotion) , was told how it turned towards the back end of Basset, but it has been a stark reality since results started to go south in the second Prem season. Really surprising and disappointing. The nature of a lot of it has been disgusting and disrespectful. Wilder's biggest mistake was taking the job the second time having to endure it all

His ego and desire to be a revolutionary was cemented by chance by -the system and players he re recruited lightning doesnt often strike twice
But he’s hung on to it striking twice ever since - not evolving

 

[Blademan89]

Also would you say he is the best manager in our history?

No, that has to be John Nicholson.

Best modern manger - probably, but not in our history.

 

[loyalblade95]

Best manager I've ever seen at Blades (2002 onwards).

Even if the term "Legend" is a bit overused in football, I'd say Wilder is a legend (or a modern day legend at least).

Again, just going 2002 onwards for who I regard as the modern day Blades legends.

Legnds: Wilder, Morgan, Sharp, Basham, Baldock, Jags, Warnock

Obviously, if you were going all time Blades legends, there'd be more names added to the list, Deane, Currie, Woodward etc.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Best manager I've ever seen at Blades (2002 onwards).

Even if the term "Legend" is a bit overused in football, I'd say Wilder is a legend (or a modern day legend at least).

Again, just going 2002 onwards for who I regard as the modern day Blades legends.

Legnds: Wilder, Morgan, Sharp, Basham, Baldock, Jags, Warnock

Obviously, if you were going all time Blades legends, there'd be more names added to the list, Deane, Currie, Woodward etc.

I’d drop Warnock from that list, doesn’t quite make legendary status.

Managers in my years of going who, in my opinion, deserve it are Harris, Bassett & Wilder.

All the players you have mentioned are a fair shout.

 

[54yrblade]

He was a fabulous manger from 2016 until he left.

For me, he still ranks below Bassett and John Harris. Neither embarrassed us in public and for both it was NEVER about them. Chris's has been far from 'legend' behaviour, unless you're including drinking and being naïve enough to allow your followers to film it and go public. Some schoolboy errors, because he thought he could get away with it.

Good memories indeed, but legend - no.

 

[Carlton Blade]

He's objectively a tier one club legend. Ironically that's why a few hundred malcontents in our own fan base despise him and, in truth, only ever begrudgingly gave him any credit for anything. If his name was Christophe Wilderinho the same people would be licking his ring piece. It's a funny old world...

What Wilder has inadvertently succeeded in doing is exposing the United fan base. It's unfortunately not really what it was built up to be by my predecessors. It's as entitled, deluded and changeable as any other and more than most. That's been a sad revelation (to me at least). I saw it a bit towards the end of Warnock's tenure (and before the promotion) , was told how it turned towards the back end of Basset, but it has been a stark reality since results started to go south in the second Prem season. Really surprising and disappointing. The nature of a lot of it has been disgusting and disrespectful. Wilder's biggest mistake was taking the job the second time having to endure it all

I think you're way over the top here. Blind devotion isn't a prerequisite of being a football supporter.

 

[Nick Jansky]

He was a fabulous manger from 2016 until he left.

For me, he still ranks below Bassett and John Harris. Neither embarrassed us in public and for both it was NEVER about them. That's not 'legend' behaviour, unless you're including drinking and being naïve enough to allow your followers to film it and go public.

Good memories indeed, but legend - no.

Certainly a legend in terms of team achievements in the first 4 years, but you make a good point. How someone conducts themselves is all part of the mix, which puts him below Harris & Bassett.

 

[Torrix1889]

He could have been a legend but has tainted himself and in turn the club and fans too many times to be worthy of such a status IMO. Legends are people who are graceful, respective, humble and appreciate the status, none of which describe Chris Wilder.

Forever grateful for what he has done at SUFC but like Warnock it changed from all about SUFC to all about the individual.

 

[shaun the blade 1961]

He could have been a legend but has tainted himself and in turn the club and fans too many times to be worthy of such a status IMO. Legends are people who are graceful, respective, humble and appreciate the status, none of which describe Chris Wilder.

Forever grateful for what he has done at SUFC but like Warnock it changed from all about SUFC to all about the individual.

 

[shaun the blade 1961]

First match 1961, seen managers come, seen managers go,

in my opinion best 2 managers I've seen at Bramhall Lane, are John Harris, because of the style of football we played with great players like currie, woody, badger, dearden, etc, with hockey winning the ball, a proper team,

And dave Bassett, for the Fantastic job he did, with hardly any money to spend, bringing in bargains like deane, agana bryson, booker all playing for each other, remember that great day at Leicester, when we took 8,000 plus, then Wednesday went down same day, then keeping us in top league, for 4 seasons, great memories, only to unluckily go down at Chelsea

Chris as done a great job, he really as, sometimes is antics let him down, which is a shame, if he'd have kicked on in 2nd half against Sunderland and we'd won, he would have been closing in on other 2 iin my opinion
Where all unitedites and all have opinions

 

[Tezza1889]

Its easy to call him a legend..

Because we achieved nothing significant in 100 years.

So by default, what he's done is legendary, because our bar is very low.

I loved walking out of Wembley the other month having achieved nothing again, but our Chris, *hes one of our own, a legend... 75% on here say so.

I'm having time out if he stays, nothing personal but his football (now) is boring as fuck..

Edit: *If you forget he walked out on us..

 

[Espania blade]

He could have been a legend but has tainted himself and in turn the club and fans too many times to be worthy of such a status IMO. Legends are people who are graceful, respective, humble and appreciate the status, none of which describe Chris Wilder.

Forever grateful for what he has done at SUFC but like Warnock it changed from all about SUFC to all about the individual.

Legends are also people that die for the cause, someone you want next to you on the battlefield no matter their creed,
Wilder comes into that category for me,
The fact that he lets his tongue slip from time to time doesn't bother me, I'd rather go into battle with him than somebody that's nicely nicely!

 

[54yrblade]

Legends are also people that die for the cause, someone you want next to you on the battlefield no matter their creed,
Wilder comes into that category for me,
The fact that he lets his tongue slip from time to time doesn't bother me, I'd rather go into battle with him than somebody that's nicely nicely!

When his troops lay defeated on the battleground, he walked away.
Not a legend. Proven

 

[nopigfansintown]

I think you're way over the top here. Blind devotion isn't a prerequisite of being a football supporter.

I think you're reading things that aren't there.

 

[Silent Blade]

No, that has to be John Nicholson.

Best modern manger - probably, but not in our history.

He was the secretary not the manager. He was good at recruiting good players. We didnt have a manager until 1932. The directors, trainers (George Waller) and the captain did team selections, the captain decided on tactics.

 

[Blademan89]

He was the secretary not the manager. He was good at recruiting good players. We didnt have a manager until 1932. The directors, trainers (George Waller) and the captain did team selections, the captain decided on tactics.

Yes they were secretary's back then but also secretaries back then did jobs that associated with what a modern day football manager would do, as most didn't employ 'managers'

Im not to argue with you over history as you are pretty much on top of these things, it was much more of a backroom team than a sole manager agreed. But whislt he was overseeing us, theres no doubt it was our most successful time ever as a club.

Quick read up of him and it seems Manchester city offered him a role as such but turned them down, he also died after being hit by a lorry whilst crossing the road to join up with the Sheffield united team to head to a match vs Birmingham.

 

[Carlton Blade]

I think you're reading things that aren't there.

I'm reading that you believe that United fans have been disgusting and disrespectful to Wilder, and have been that way for a long time?

 

[Bartleby]

John Harris is top of my list , coaching genius and a total gentleman.
Only time I saw my dad star struck was when we met him one day !!!

He gave a speech at my school assembly on the last day of term and I was the same. Wilder is up there though along with Bassett for me, in joint second place - both gave us a great journey L1 to top flight.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

It's hard to judge. Are you talking about Wilder mark 1 who took us from League One to the Premier League and kept us up (stop exactly there)?

Or are we including the following season where he recruited badly, walked out on us when the Prince told him he could stay even if we were relegated, returned in a relegation fight and changed nothing, then missed out on promotion somehow having been outplayed and outclassed by 90% of teams all season where he couldn't get a consistent tune out of his team all season, stubbornly stuck to the same tactics and same playersz put square pegs in round holes, stuck with Captain Robbi, recruited poorly in January and didn't replace Souttar, had a public wobbly slagging off his own fans, squaring up with opposing players who were rightfully celebrating beating us on their own pitch and giving themselves a chance to stay up in a week where he threw away promotion, getting videoed pissed in a pub singing songs about an opposing manager, and losing the play off final through negative tactics and substitutions, trying to defend a 1-0 lead as per usual.

If we're talking just Mk 1 Wilder. Yes, legend, no doubt.

Overall, I'm not so sure as he's a shadow of his former self both on and off the pitch and last season somewhat stained his overall legacy.

 

[reedy63]

The Legendary John Harris is the number one manager in my lifetime. Before I started to be a regular at Bramall Lane as a six-year-old in the early nineteen-sixties.
John had already been promoted to Division One and the FA Cup semi-final v Leicester City, which included a couple of replays. Got relegated in 1968 to Division Two, then started to build the best Sheffield United team I had the pleasure of watching from The KOP. Bought the legendary Tony Currie with Woodward and co We played fantastic, attractive football. Got promoted back to the first division in 1970- 71. Went on an unbeaten run after losing at home to a very dirty Hull City, Chilton and Wagstaff kicked lumps out of Currie and Woodward. How they didn't get sent off was beyond me.We had a great start to the 1971-72 season playing fast, attractive football.We wiped the floor with dirty leeds, who were one of the best sides in England at that time. Unfortunately for me, we emigrated to Sydney, Australia, at midnight after beating Everton at Goodison Park. 1-0 away.We were top of Division One, loved seeing that in The Green Un. Silent Blade will correct me if I am wrong, but I think up until losing to Man Utd at Old Trafford in early October 1971, we were still top of the league despite A certain George Best scoring the goal that was shown on Match of the Day a million times. I think the Legendary John Harris was moved upstairs, as they called it then in 1974. Second-best manager, Dave Bassett and Chris Wilder, the third-best manager.In my Humble Opinion.

 

[Silky Sabella]

You cannot have a discussion about United's best ever manager without including this wee man

 

[Chimpan-A]

Legends are also people that die for the cause, someone you want next to you on the battlefield no matter their creed,
Wilder comes into that category for me,
The fact that he lets his tongue slip from time to time doesn't bother me, I'd rather go into battle with him than somebody that's nicely nicely!

Why do people confuse football with warfare? I don’t want a manager or players willing to die for kicking a ball about for my entertainment! What I would say is I do like to see players and managers who care, and whatever anyone thinks about Wilder, I think he has proven that. I’ve been watching Utd since 1974, but dont have total recall of the Harris years. I can say I enjoyed the 2016 -20 football more than any other seasons (possible exception 2003).
And if nothing else, the absolute hatred he inspires from the other lot absolutely nails the legendary status.

 

[Silent Blade]

Yes they were secretary's back then but also secretaries back then did jobs that associated with what a modern day football manager would do, as most didn't employ 'managers'

Im not to argue with you over history as you are pretty much on top of these things, it was much more of a backroom team than a sole manager agreed. But whislt he was overseeing us, theres no doubt it was our most successful time ever as a club.

Quick read up of him and it seems Manchester city offered him a role as such but turned them down, he also died after being hit by a lorry whilst crossing the road to join up with the Sheffield united team to head to a match vs Birmingham.

They were heading to Birmingham but the match was at Aston Villa in 1932. The players were at the Midland rail station and the accident happened near the station and the players saw the accident scene. Not surprisingly we lost 5-0