Retained list tomorrow

[AWetFlannel]

Anal and JLT have certainly got themselves in the history book at the heart of a defence that conceded 100 goals last season both not good enough. Why shouldn't it be the bar? it was with Burnley their success was built on an organised defensive, as ours was until we lost Soutter.
And how can you compare Hammond and Holding together thats ludicrous.Holding needed games just as Soutter did whne he stepped in both Holding and Soutter moved the ball quicker and anticipated situations better than JLT and Anel, that was is plain to see.

Burnley shouldn't be the bar because they're the best there has ever been. It's like judging every striker against Mitrovic and Toney.

I'm not comparing Hammond and Holding. The person I was replying to used Holding's PL history and FA Cup wins to suggest that must make him quality in the Championship. I brought up Hammond to make the point that players can deteriorate.

 

[loyalblade95]

Great more Brewster Wilder just wants to keep him believing he will come good that just won't happen he has been an anchor around the clubs neck for too long should have cut him loose and given someone else a chance.Wilder is so stubborn.Brewster won't leave until Wilder does.

Thought we offered him a new contract ages ago.

We we're in the same situation with both Mcburnie and Jebbison last summer, and both of them left.

 

[United1889]

Don’t hate me. Brewster deserves a new deal he put the ball in the ***** net! Made my year.

 

[BigBed]

Because he's still under contract (retained lists are usually for loanees and out of contract players), and if we released him, we'd have to pay up his remaining contract in full.

We signed him for cheap, if we can get our money back from someone for him, it's a win-win situation for all parties involved.

Who the fuck is going to buy him!??
We've got more chance getting our money back for Brewster, when he's signed his new 3yr deal obviously.

 

[loyalblade95]

Who the fuck is going to buy him!??
We've got more chance getting our money back for Brewster, when he's signed his new 3yr deal obviously.

If we could make a profit on Traore and Trusty last summer, we could at the very least get our money back on Grbic (what was it £2m-£2.5m?), especially as Trusty was just as bad.

He'll probably go back abroad and be someone's cheap reserve GK, wait and see what happens.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

So we're not releasing/transfer listing anyone?

Any ideas of who the six academy players are who were released?

If Wilder is retaining Brewster as a striker then that means we're likely to stick with Moore, Brewster, Cannon and Campbell, which is worrying as an only fit for 60 minutes Campbell can be relied on for goals.

If he retains Brewster as a winger then that's the right wing potentially locked in. If we don't go for either Poku or Dolan then I'll be annoyed as both aslre superior to Brewster and Brooks. Granted Brewster has looked better on the wing, but he's still scored less goals and got less assists than Rak-Sayki and Brooks from that position.

I hope for his sake he moves on and rebuilds elsewhere. It's been five years. It ain't going to happen and Wilder is deluded if he thinks he can unlock Brewster's potential. At this stage of his career he should be holding a regular starting place in a first team. I like the lad but move on.

If we miss out on targets waiting for Brewster to sign like we did with Jebbo and McBurnie then I will be mightily pissed off.

 

[Yogi]

So we're not releasing/transfer listing anyone?

Any ideas of who the six academy players are who were released?

Kiwomya, Molyneux, Boyes, Long, Cummings, Haughton-Parris

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Kiwomya, Molyneux, Boyes, Long, Cummings, Haughton-Parris

Thanks Yogi. I'm not surprised by Boyes. The rest I don't really know. Got a second I thought we'd released Jack Waldram which would have shocked me.

 

[BigBed]

If we could make a profit on Traore and Trusty last summer, we could at the very least get our money back on Grbic (what was it £2m-£2.5m?), especially as Trusty was just as bad.

He'll probably go back abroad and be someone's cheap reserve GK, wait and see what happens.

Fingers and toes crossed, but I can't honestly see anyone wanting a keeper that has no idea how to be a keeper.
I hope your right though.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Brewster and Robbo

Robinson we didn't have much choice.

Well, technically we did, could have played Holding to prevent the trigger.

 

[CornwallBlade]

Can’t remember anyone making this point so I’ll do it. I’ve only watched goals back once because I dont want to. However, the Mayenda goal, ball was on their left side, Burrows appeared to be ball watching and ran over there, ball passed to a now unmarked Mayenda on their right and wrong side of Robinson. First time strike not giving Robinson time to adjust.

Think Burrows was as much to blame leaving Robinson exposed.

Not defending Robinson, Holding should have been on but in the same scenario the outcome might just have been the same.

I agree, it was a great pass and first touch. Robbo seemed unaware of where Mayenda was though. My point is, I never get the sense that there is someone marshalling the defence - Soutar did it brilliantly. Holding seemed to take that role when he plays. It’s generally the middle CB because he sees whats in front - Van Dyck is superb at it as all the great CB’s are.

 

[The Fox]

It's good work by the club that we have pretty much everyone under contract.
Expect they'll be comings and goings throughout the summer if the transfer fees allow us to strengthen.
Whilst we have a few that we wish we could move on its more than made up for by the players under contract .

 

[Coolblade]

All fair points and i totally agree, that if someone is the scapegoat all there slight mistakes get massively over exagerated, while favourites get away with more.

Yes, i remember the Cardiff fall over the ball and also a stray pass early on in the game.

I dont think ive knocked Robbo, but i do think Holding is better.

I put in a earlier post on the Holding thread, that i would be interested to know why Holding didnt get a sniff at Wembley.
I think i mentioned if it could be injury, attitude or CW favouring Robbo.

We are all guilty of confirmation bias, in all aspects of life, where we see the positives in our favourites, and downplay the mistakes - and because it’s human nature to like being proven to be right. . And algorithms within social media have exacerbated the issue in many aspects of modern life especially politics. However:

- I would suggest Robinson has benefited from confirmation bias more than suffered from it over the past few years. Because of the almost hero worship he received due to a couple of committed tackles, for an extended period it became almost impossible to criticize him despite him playing a lead role in the worst defense in the club’s history. It’s therefore taken longer for people to admit to his failings than they otherwise would have done, had it been another player

- this is why I cross refer to the stats, which have very clear limitations, and which can be manipulated, but when fairly assessed can be used as a more objective measure. On any of the usual methods of analysis, including goals per game, points per game, successful duels etc, Robinson is a country mile behind Souttar (and indeed Holding although the sample size is smaller) and a fair distance behind our other defenders - to which Wilder’s only response is to say he ignores all stats save for the scoreline. But if Wilder just looked at points per game (surely the one stat he cares about) playing Robinson as much as he did appears unjustifiable.

 

[ReeceofBDTBL]

Agree with this fully. He's a good Championship centre back. He used to be a top one, but the standard has massively increased in recent years.

Plenty of teams get promoted with an XI consisting of good Championship players, sprinkled with a few top class ones. We got promoted last time with Robinson in the team, it's possible. I'd love us to improve on him and have a squad full of top Championship players, but it's not going to happen for what should be obvious reasons.

He used to be a top championship centre back? Jesus Christ almighty.

He was absolutely carried in that hecky team. He’s absolutely never saved us or shown any impressive reading of the game.

He is GOOD at absolutely nothing and is competent (and no more than that) at scrapping for the ball and trying to get his head on it when we’re defending corners or sat in our box.

I don’t know what some people are watching half the time. Unbelievable

 

[Berkshire Blade]

It's good work by the club that we have pretty much everyone under contract.
Expect they'll be comings and goings throughout the summer if the transfer fees allow us to strengthen.
Whilst we have a few that we wish we could move on its more than made up for by the players under contract .

We are certainly starting this summer far stronger than we started last.

 

[ReeceofBDTBL]

Robinson is not a scapegoat he’s rubbish.

Any time he has to do any defending in transition or against so much as a drop of movement or quality he’s allover the place like a headless chicken. Even against Bristol in the first game he headed the ball into the danger zone because he was unable to read the situation, luckily Bristol didn’t punish us.

He’s not a good tackler, he does easy tackles aggressively. He’s not capable of tackling with skill, timing and precision.

 

[metalblade]

I truly despair at hearing C-3PO is getting another year and we are still in talks with Brewster. If Brewster don't want to sign feck him off we have done all we can for him over his years of injury he should be grateful for any contract offered. Robinson? Jesus wept. He should be on the transfer list I'm sure he will find a League one club to take him on. This all says to me Wilder will be here next season for Gods sake, a huge opportunity missed by the owner who might well live to regret it. Just don't let him spend any money bad enough we are stuck with Cannon

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

 

[AWetFlannel]

He used to be a top championship centre back? Jesus Christ almighty.

He was absolutely carried in that hecky team. He’s absolutely never saved us or shown any impressive reading of the game.

He is GOOD at absolutely nothing and is competent (and no more than that) at scrapping for the ball and trying to get his head on it when we’re defending corners or sat in our box.

I don’t know what some people are watching half the time. Unbelievable

Presumably I'm watching something similar to our manager, coaching staff and recruitment team. You think we signed a shit Championship defender whilst in the PL, who just so happened to be one of our players of the season in the PL and won promotion starting for us in the Championship. Both mangers showed faith in him, many fans agreed last season before he became a scapegoat.

If you find it unbelievable, perhaps it says more about you and what you're watching.

 

[Yogi]

Thanks Yogi. I'm not surprised by Boyes. The rest I don't really know. Got a second I thought we'd released Jack Waldram which would have shocked me.

Can’t say I’ve seen that much of most of them either Cummings we picked up from City a couple of years ago he was an England schoolboy as a kid Molyneux we picked up I think from Charlton last summer but he didn’t really make that 21’s number 1 spot his own this year with Faxon moving up and Venners and others getting minutes.

 

[gordoncharles]

So, Robinson has an automatic contract extension. OK, he should be told he's not likely to be playing much and might be better off finding another club. He won't be told that and if the manager continues we'll carry on with the unsuccesful back 3-and-a-bit formation.

Anyone who seriously believes we can't find better attacking midfield options than Brewster, even amongst out-of-contract players, can't watch much football. Like anyone else I wish him all the best, but why the hell the club is "in talks" with him is a puzzle that would stump Britain's leading enigmatologists.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

Presumably I'm watching something similar to our manager, coaching staff and recruitment team. You think we signed a shit Championship defender whilst in the PL, who just so happened to be one of our players of the season in the PL and won promotion starting for us in the Championship. Both mangers showed faith in him, many fans agreed last season before he became a scapegoat.

If you find it unbelievable, perhaps it says more about you and what you're watching.

Let's be right, describing anyone as "player of the season" last season, would be nowt to do with the quality of their performance. I'm fairly sure Robinson's good showing there will have been almost certainly to do with the fact he never shirked or gave up. Highly commendable of course, I don't think anyone would ever doubt his commitment or effort, but a reflection of his quality, that vote is not.

 

[robbiez666]

Presumably I'm watching something similar to our manager, coaching staff and recruitment team. You think we signed a shit Championship defender whilst in the PL, who just so happened to be one of our players of the season in the PL and won promotion starting for us in the Championship. Both mangers showed faith in him, many fans agreed last season before he became a scapegoat.

If you find it unbelievable, perhaps it says more about you and what you're watching.

He literally got good rating because ours fans love a player who flies into tackles. The fact he was probably making up for his own mistake in the first place seems to get overlooked.

 

[Keen Blade]

What a way to talk about an academy product that's had several brutal injuries.

Football's a brutal world (unless you're Jack Robinson).
When did RND last play convincingly for us ?
We've wasted so much £ fee & wages over the years - were not a registered charity you know

 

[ReeceofBDTBL]

Presumably I'm watching something similar to our manager, coaching staff and recruitment team. You think we signed a shit Championship defender whilst in the PL, who just so happened to be one of our players of the season in the PL and won promotion starting for us in the Championship. Both mangers showed faith in him, many fans agreed last season before he became a scapegoat.

If you find it unbelievable, perhaps it says more about you and what you're watching.

Player of the season, as a defender in a team that conceded 104 goals?

Other than Hamer and BBD (both in the second half of the season, Hamer was rubbish till Christmas) there was no one in that team that showed any quality whatsoever.

The only thing he achieved that season was being better than anel and auston trusty at defending our box. He was still rubbish and made tonnes of mistakes.

Other than his recovery pace anel is also a poor defender but at least he gives us quality on the ball.

Robbo was carried in that promotion season for a team with immense midfielders and attackers for that level, and he still managed to make mistakes with the tiny amount of genuine defending he had to do.

He’s utter shite, and nothing has ever changed, put him up against even a few moments of movement or quality and he’s allover the place.

 

[UddersBlade]

Player of the season, as a defender in a team that conceded 104 goals?

Other than Hamer and BBD (both in the second half of the season, Hamer was rubbish till Christmas) there was no one in that team that showed any quality whatsoever.

The only thing he achieved that season was being better than anel and auston trusty at defending our box. He was still rubbish and made tonnes of mistakes.

Other than his recovery pace anel is also a poor defender but at least he gives us quality on the ball.

Robbo was carried in that promotion season for a team with immense midfielders and attackers for that level, and he still managed to make mistakes with the tiny amount of genuine defending he had to do.

He’s utter shite, and nothing has ever changed, put him up against even a few moments of movement or quality and he’s allover the place.

And let’s not forget he’s Captain / Leader of a team that also endured £450k of fines this season for a lack of discipline & he had a load of yellow cards himself. It’s baffling that Wilder sees him as pivotal to his defence and captaincy.

 

[Balham]

Can’t say I’ve seen that much of most of them either Cummings we picked up from City a couple of years ago he was an England schoolboy as a kid Molyneux we picked up I think from Charlton last summer but he didn’t really make that 21’s number 1 spot his own this year with Faxon moving up and Venners and others getting minutes.

Cummings came (arf) highly regarded but didn’t he pick up a nasty injury last season?

Presumably I'm watching something similar to our manager, coaching staff and recruitment team. You think we signed a shit Championship defender whilst in the PL, who just so happened to be one of our players of the season in the PL and won promotion starting for us in the Championship. Both mangers showed faith in him, many fans agreed last season before he became a scapegoat.

If you find it unbelievable, perhaps it says more about you and what you're watching.

Last season’s POTS award needed a “none of the above” option.

 

[TJ blade]

So, Robinson has an automatic contract extension. OK, he should be told he's not likely to be playing much and might be better off finding another club. He won't be told that and if the manager continues we'll carry on with the unsuccesful back 3-and-a-bit formation.

Anyone who seriously believes we can't find better attacking midfield options than Brewster, even amongst out-of-contract players, can't watch much football. Like anyone else I wish him all the best, but why the hell the club is "in talks" with him is a puzzle that would stump Britain's leading enigmatologists.

My thought exactly

 

[ancientblade]

i really cannot believe weve given robinson another contract i think wilder is deliberately trying to get himself sacked for another hefty payoff its the only conclusion i can think of hes a lower end championship top end league 1 centre back and i can say now we definetly wont finish top 2 next season if robinson is 1 of our first choice centre backs baffling decision

 

[AWetFlannel]

And let’s not forget he’s Captain / Leader of a team that also endured £450k of fines this season for a lack of discipline & he had a load of yellow cards himself. It’s baffling that Wilder sees him as pivotal to his defence and captaincy.

Funny how you've got to mention yellows because he's had zero reds, unlike Anel and Souttar...