Retained list tomorrow

[bertieblade]

He must be pretty bad compared to Robbo
Everytime I saw him everything about him was better

 

[Berkshire Blade]

What does this tell you then? All the "he picks Robinson because he's his favourite and pashun" is obviously BS given he picked Souttar over him.

Perhaps Holding isn't very good? I know this is impossible for people to consider, but it might be true.

I've been anti Robinson for years. I simply don't trust him whatsoever on the pitch. That said it doesn't mean just anyone can come in and do better. We nearly got away with it so I don't think it'd the huge glaring error some do but it's certainly a area we need to improve on

 

[AWetFlannel]

Despite evidence to the contrary

Present the evidence.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

Present the evidence.

I think it was widely accepted he looked pretty comfortable in the times he came in. I believe he picked up MotM in one of them

 

[LondonBlade89]

Can’t help but think Wilder backed himself into a corner a bit with Robbo by making him club captain. He recognised he wasn’t good enough to be starting when bringing in Souttar. I think had he not elevated JLT’s status in the team so much he’d have more quickly replaced Souttar with someone - anyone - else.

I’m a strong believer that JLT negatively impacts our team in lots of unseen ways. Even in games where he might take plaudits from some for winning battles he is routinely out of position and routinely poor technically. I generally think his presence in the squad - footballing ability aside - is a net negative but that’s more subjective. The footballing stuff just isn’t. The sooner we can replace him the better.

 

[AWetFlannel]

I think it was widely accepted he looked pretty comfortable in the times he came in. I believe he picked up MotM in one of them

I thought he looked pretty comfortable in all the games after his debut where he looked (understandably) rusty and his first start where he couldn't finish the match.

Because I don't hate our captain, I also recognise that he also looked pretty comfortable in all his games. Our manager and coaching staff think Robinson is better, and they know fat more about football than any of us and, importantly, they know more about JLT and Holding.

Me and my dad would piss ourselves laughing on the train home at how fans gushed about Holding doing basic things competently in a desperate attempt to build evidence that our chief scapegoat should be dropped. Hatred does strange things to people.

 

[Wards]

Me and my dad would piss ourselves laughing on the train home at how fans gushed about Holding doing basic things competently

I don't hate Robinson at all but this is basically what essentially makes Holding a better player. Robinson sometimes can't do the basics for 90 minutes.

I'll make it clear this isn't a dig at Robbo. He's perfectly adequate at Championship level but not a better footballer than Holding.

Would also say that once Robbo played v Bristol then he was never going to then drop him for the final. CW made that bed when he reinstated him to the starting XI.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

I thought he looked pretty comfortable in all the games after his debut where he looked (understandably) rusty and his first start where he couldn't finish the match.

Because I don't hate our captain, I also recognise that he also looked pretty comfortable in all his games. Our manager and coaching staff think Robinson is better, and they know fat more about football than any of us and, importantly, they know more about JLT and Holding.

Me and my dad would piss ourselves laughing on the train home at how fans gushed about Holding doing basic things competently in a desperate attempt to build evidence that our chief scapegoat should be dropped. Hatred does strange things to people.

Where did I say anything about hating anybody? I just think Holding, given the evidence presented to me (like Perry Mason this), is a better, more assured footballer than Robinson. You're right though, Wilder and the coaches do believe that Robinson is/was the better choice and that in itself is worrying

 

[Railway Blade]

I've been anti Robinson for years. I simply don't trust him whatsoever on the pitch. That said it doesn't mean just anyone can come in and do better. We nearly got away with it so I don't think it'd the huge glaring error some do but it's certainly a area we need to improve on

I totally agree with this. I think Robbo is a reasonable championship centre back. not top end and not premiership level. Like most he does some things ok and gets through some championship games relatively unscathed. However flaws such as panicking when getting pressed, being overly aggressive and tight to some opponents, getting his blood twisted when quick players run at him means that he gets found out now and again as a lot of championship centre backs do. I do think and hope we can improve on him but he is not the devil incarnate.

 

[Torrix1889]

My only thought as to why Robinson was consistently selected over Holding was down to two things, his long throw and his "pashun". I cannot genuinely think of any other reasons, Holding is better in every single department.

And just how many times have we scored as a result of his long throws? Once maybe? Whatever it does not cancel out his ability to drop a rick in almost every game.

LCB is a priority this summer, we simply cannot start another campaign with Robinson as first choice.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Where did I say anything about hating anybody?

Was a general a general point as other have said it repeatedly, apologies, wasn't aimed at you.

I just think Holding, given the evidence presented to me (like Perry Mason this), is a better, more assured footballer than Robinson. You're right though, Wilder and the coaches do believe that Robinson is/was the better choice and that in itself is worrying

When I disagree with a manager's decision, my first thought isn't "that's worrying, he must be an idiot", it's instead to consider what I'm not seeing and look again.

 

[AWetFlannel]

My only thought as to why Robinson was consistently selected over Holding was down to two things, his long throw and his "pashun". I cannot genuinely think of any other reasons, Holding is better in every single department.

So why did he pick Souttar and Anel over Robinson?

 

[AWetFlannel]

I totally agree with this. I think Robbo is a reasonable championship centre back. not top end and not premiership level. Like most he does some things ok and gets through some championship games relatively unscathed. However flaws such as panicking when getting pressed, being overly aggressive and tight to some opponents, getting his blood twisted when quick players run at him means that he gets found out now and again as a lot of championship centre backs do. I do think and hope we can improve on him but he is not the devil incarnate.

Agree with this fully. He's a good Championship centre back. He used to be a top one, but the standard has massively increased in recent years.

Plenty of teams get promoted with an XI consisting of good Championship players, sprinkled with a few top class ones. We got promoted last time with Robinson in the team, it's possible. I'd love us to improve on him and have a squad full of top Championship players, but it's not going to happen for what should be obvious reasons.

 

[Slug]

So why did he pick Souttar and Anel over Robinson?

Souttar only came in when Robinson got injured. Souttar and Anel then barely conceded a goal so couldn't be dropped.

I don't think Wilder would have dropped Robinson at the start of the season if it wasn't for the injury.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

Was a general a general point as other have said it repeatedly, apologies, wasn't aimed at you.

When I disagree with a manager's decision, my first thought isn't "that's worrying, he must be an idiot", it's instead to consider what I'm not seeing and look again.

It's also ok to question other people's decision-making

 

[AWetFlannel]

It's also ok to question other people's decision-making

Of course, but with those important facts as a starting point: I know fuck all about professional football compared to our manager, I know fuck all about our players compared to our manager.

I might question a scientist, historian or archeologist, but I'd look like a fool if I assumed my relatively uniformed opinion was greater than theirs.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Souttar only came in when Robinson got injured. Souttar and Anel then barely conceded a goal so couldn't be dropped.

I don't think Wilder would have dropped Robinson at the start of the season if it wasn't for the injury.

Perhaps, but I think he'd have played his way in. It wasn't obvious that Souttar would've performed so well, he barely got a game at Leicester in the Championship the season before.

 

[derfblade.3]

Where is the list, or when is the list?

 

[PrestwichBlade]

Of course, but with those important facts as a starting point: I know fuck all about professional football compared to our manager, I know fuck all about our players compared to our manager.

I might question a scientist, historian or archeologist, but I'd look like a fool if I assumed my relatively uniformed opinion was greater than theirs.

Alright mate, it's just opinions. I think people can reasonably question the thinking and wonder why the selections have been as they have been; football and being a football fan has always involved that. Indeed I'd go so far as to say that's the point of this very forum! Have a good un

 

[paidsy]

Can’t help but think Wilder backed himself into a corner a bit with Robbo by making him club captain. He recognised he wasn’t good enough to be starting when bringing in Souttar. I think had he not elevated JLT’s status in the team so much he’d have more quickly replaced Souttar with someone - anyone - else.

I’m a strong believer that JLT negatively impacts our team in lots of unseen ways. Even in games where he might take plaudits from some for winning battles he is routinely out of position and routinely poor technically. I generally think his presence in the squad - footballing ability aside - is a net negative but that’s more subjective. The footballing stuff just isn’t. The sooner we can replace him the better.

He's a complete hot head which isn't a good thing when you're captain. No end of times he'd be arguing with the ref inside the first 10 mins. That might not seem relevant, but it definitely has an impact on decisions etc.

He also has no ability to calm anyone down which is also part of the reason we see the blow ups.

 

[loyalblade95]

Where is the list, or when is the list?

Has to be out by 1st June, there won't be much on it though.

All 6 loanees return to parent clubs, Robbo triggered a year extension (which he wouldn't have triggered had Souttar not been injured), Brewster either signed a new deal or moved on.

Might be a few youth players let go as well, there always is.

 

[Maidenhead]

We wasted £11 million on a striker which could have been used for a quality CB

Which quality centre back that we could have gone for actually moved during the window?

Which quality centre back that didn't move during the window may have been available to us?

And if such a centre back does exist, how do you know that we didn't make any appropriate offers during the window?

 

[Blademan89]

Our manager and coaching staff think Robinson is better, and they know fat more about football than any of us.

Not to start an argument but I disagree with this statement. You cant tar everyone with the same brush about football knowledge.

Just because someone has taken their coaching badge or managed a team or even played football, doesn't make them any more knowledgeable than someone that hasn't. Admittedly it helps and goes a long way but you can't say that statement as fact.

Not everyone wants to get into coaching/or football as a job, doesn't mean they know less than a professional.

As i say, im not trying to create an argument, just been a bit pedantic.

 

[Aston max]

SUFC Prices to keep or be able to replace
Buy low sell high is the mantra
Hamer 30M - will be desperate to leave Wilder and for Prem
Anel 25M - probably stays so NEEDS a good new manager
Vini 25M - as above
Cooper (won't need to go ) £25 M
Burrows 25M? - should be happy enough at Champ for now - someone may offer £20million if not for muppet Wilder.
Campbell £20M - they won't pay that but he will want a chance at Prem. Don't sell for 10 we would be offered knowing Wilder is an imbecile 'dealer'
Cannon - pray for a ludicrous 10 million from Sunderland
OHare - pray for a ludicrous bid (5m +) from as big a clown as Wilder and more 'experts'. I'd release to none league (his level as we saw in his star debut) ) if it was not for the ludicrous praise I hear this muppet getting.
MUST KEEP YOUTH just Seriki Peck Arblaster Brooks now (with Burrows a top 5 in midfield) (plus Marsh, Blacker, One and others I suspect) unlike last year with Bogle Osula Jebbison who wanted nothing to do with Wilder based on experience
I'd keep Robinson re squad player backup but sign a BIG left footer. Never replaced OConnell before and Wilder has failed in 3 seasons now.
Happy with Dunne coming in in Championship (impressed at the Lane in both boxes and won key headers at loftus road as well) but he is NOT a left footed centre back.
ANEL CANNOT PLAY ON THE LEFT OF A TWO OR THREE - not with chuckle brothers tactics anyway ie WILDER OUT
RND is better than most but fit? and Wilder never liked/rated sufc youth so will leave and worse stay or come in.
Always rated Keifer Moore as the player the lazy scumbag McDonkey was supposed to be. But when his (or anyones) game or fitness goes (eg Burrows at Watford) we need someone who can see the pitch events not the imbecile 'Fred Basset' Wilder whose subs are written on a fag packet before the game.
Get BBD 5-6 million they paid. GOOD STRIKER
Get Holding if wages can be reasonable, plus fit enough or per game
Brewster will go if he gets an offer. He knows wilder is an imbecile who plays him out of position all the time. I'm tipping Burnley as the best fit - best chance he has - maybe Sunderland who are very poor in most positions.
We all know who could should go rest of journeymen failures loans (Clarke Choudhury ) plus
Davies (fee?) if have better free options, Shackleton, T Davies (get a fee?), McCallum - great lad NOT good enough if SERIOUS about Prem and Wilder is NOT so a clue there,
As for loans under Wilder
Destroyed young players McAtee and Archer in half a season last season
Gilchrist and Jesus treated like shit on this run in
No one SHOULD lend Wilder a good YOUNG player and we can run out of clubs as there are a few who buy them all
And if you did not know we were doomed under Wilder then McDonkey (sufc WORST signing in history of club) was announced as a free on Saturday morning AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Things can only get better? - DREAM ON CLOWNS
WILDER OUT NOW

Don't hold back mate

 

[LondonBlade89]

Me and my dad would piss ourselves laughing on the train home at how fans gushed about Holding doing basic things competently in a desperate attempt to build evidence that our chief scapegoat should be dropped. Hatred does strange things to people.

I thought you were going to make a different point here when skimming through. The fact that Holding’s competence was being lauded shows you the low bar for quality we have due to playing Robinson.

No one has it in for Robinson. I actually think a lot of the debate on here over him has been pretty clear-eyed. It’s nothing personal against him. I just don’t rate him at all.

 

[Brian Deane]

Weerz list

 

[The Fox]

I think wilders loyalty ( favoritism) to some players has always been a blessing and a curse . There are times when players need to know that one mistake or below average performance won't result in bring sidelined.
Takes the anxiety out of the players and shows he trusts them .
On the other hand it must piss off a few on the sidelines trying to break into the 1st team . Whilst we don't have the resources of a man city , Pep will literally drop anyone who underperforms even in training .
Heard an interview with kyle walker where he said the intensity every day is insane , losing concentration, not being at your best every day in trying and your place goes to someone who's better , no matter who you are.
It's a fine balance but why we need more strength in depth and different attitude to competition.

 

[247Blade]

We don't move forward, we move side ways

Or back

 

[Rochdaleblade]

I assumed Holding had had some kind of fall out behind the scenes. There were rumours that he was frozen out at Palace for this. I'm not ITK but like everyone else, I would struggle to see why you would play Robbo over him.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Not to start an argument but I disagree with this statement. You cant tar everyone with the same brush about football knowledge.

Just because someone has taken their coaching badge or managed a team or even played football, doesn't make them any more knowledgeable than someone that hasn't. Admittedly it helps and goes a long way but you can't say that statement as fact.

Not everyone wants to get into coaching/or football as a job, doesn't mean they know less than a professional.

As i say, im not trying to create an argument, just been a bit pedantic.

It's a fair comment and I always respect a bit of pedantry.

I've watched football all my life and played Sunday league. I feel I know a lot about football , just not not as much as someone that has spent ALL their life with the game as a career.

Our manager isn't just some bloke who got lucky and happened to get some coaching badges, he's been very successful throughout his management career at one of the highest levels in the world.

I don't see the players in training, I don't know the dynamics of the dressing room, I don't rewatch matches and analyse them, I don't pore over stats. Most of us have a few pints before a game and watch it once.