Wilder skulking off at the end of the game

[JT89]

And then it's his behaviour, which has been unacceptable on more than one occasion for a manager of a football club. More akin to the manager of a pub side. And we've been here before and he never changes. Ditto with blaming everyone but himself for everything yet taking all the credit..

For me this is the biggest issue, more so than footballing issues.

If we aim to become an established Premier league club and therefore a global brand, he really isn't someone you'd want to be the face of our club or city around the world.

 

[Blade56]

Was the interview recorded 90 minutes after the game or is that just when it was aired?

Wilder said he hadn’t spoken to players, looked at his watch and said that was one and a half hours ago.

 

[Chimpan-A]

The owners may well back him, but if they let him spend any money on "big signings" then they can **** off. We need a director of football and a change in direction. Wilder cannot be trusted with a chequebook anymore.

Cooper - no complaints
Burrows - no complaints
McCallum - bang average limited player
Shackleton - poor signing
Gilchrist - played out of positional for half a season and became the weak link as a result
Holding - superior player to Robinson, but hey, Jack's my favourite. What a lad!
Rak-Sayki - inconsistent over rated crap player
Clarke - pointless signing
Souttar - fantastic player
Campbell - fantastic player.... but only for 60 minutes, all season..... when he's not injured
BBD - unfit, sluggish and woeful
Moore - only plays well with a partner, played up top alone for large parts
Cannon - expensive flop (see Moore)
Choudhury - poor in midfield, make shift right back where he excelled

Once again the poor signings far outweighed the good ones.

You are wrong about a couple of players but most notably Choudhury. In my opinion has been a super signing. My MoM today.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

You are wrong about a couple of players but most notably Choudhury. In my opinion has been a super signing. My MoM today.

Errm, I pretty much said Hamza has been excellent. Read it again.

 

[The Crab]

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[The Crab]

Yeah I’d say we’re a long way from that.

Can’t really comment about the strength or weakness of the board because their somewhat strange silence means I know nothing about them in terms of what their intentions are

 

[Sheffsteel]

He was on the Talksport show with Tony Cascarono and Natalie Sawyer at 9.35am.

He sounded really down, said last night was very difficult for him, his family and the players.
He said they stayed at the Hilton last night and he can still see the Wembley Arches from where he’s standing, said he bumped into Nathan Jones (the Charlton Athletic manager), last night and told him it’s place for losers, so wishes them the best of luck for their game today against Leyton Orient.

Wilder thanked the owners for their kind words of support last night and said he’s confident they are very much committed and here for the long haul.
He also said he’s received a text last night from his friend Paul Heation who has invited him to his concert today at Bramall Labe, so he may go there.

Said he needs a little break away from football with the family, he then thanked his family and friends (Unitedites) for their support. Said he’ll return with batteries refreshed and up for the fight and mentioned all the positives at the club, regards the stature of the club and the young players coming through. Wilder also said he understood the negativity he’s receiving on social media,

When the interview finished Cas and Natalie praised Wilder for showing leadership by showing his face the morning after a defeat.
They said they haven’t seen any negativity towards him on social media, both agreed that very few managers would face the media when they’re in pain.
They also read out a text from a Liverpool fan praising Wilder for giving an interview so soon after a bad defeat.

To be honest…it’s true….it does show leadership to face the music so quickly after a massive disappointment.

2 other bits of the interview I remembered.

He did say it seems odd that there’s no VAR in the competition and then it’s brought in for one match. Think it’s clutching at straws.

And he did praise his team for having a great season finishing on over 90 points, saying it was so unusual that 2 teams ended up with 100 points.

Regards Wilder think he’ll be given thr start of the season with the expectation of top 4 as a minimum.

My view on Wilder he has great strengths but also had concerning weaknesses. Still not sure what our playing style is or was. I suppose we mixed it up and didn’t have a set style. Also it was worrying how we were often cautious, preferring to sit on 1-0 leads.

 

[Bladesman]

It would also be a no from me on the basis that he’s had 2 bites of the cherry this season and fucked them both up. Questions have to be asked with the strength and quality at our disposal how we failed to convert either of the two opportunities? In fact yesterday shouldn’t have even been happening if we wouldn’t have that fuck up week that we did.

I hear people saying ‘he has to learn from his mistakes - must change his attitude’ etc. Wilder ain’t going to do that. He’s two stubborn and set in his ways. I haven’t enjoyed our football this season other than probably 5 games. Scoring and then sitting back to try and defend the lead - how many times have we had to endure that this season? And to go and do the same thing yesterday in the penultimate game just played straight in to Sunderland’s hands.

All season playing people out of position, bizarre team selections, head scratching tactics and substitutions just leaves more questions than answers. For the good of the club and probably Chris in the long run it’s definitely time for a change In my opinion.

He hasn't learned his mistakes since COVID.

 

[Landers]

Crest fallen

 

[Chezzy Blades]

I don't think it was bad luck really, just poor anticipation and management. Sunderland took 6 minutes to get O'Nien off the pitch, for an injury where he was charging down the touchline celebrating later on. We should have done the concussion check in the middle of the fucking pitch and brought Holding on straight away.

Agreed. When Anel was helped off the pitch all three of our defensive subs were still warming up down the touchline, none were stripped and ready at the dugout in case.

 

[Blade56]

He was on the Talksport show with Tony Cascarono and Natalie Sawyer at 9.35am.

He sounded really down, said last night was very difficult for him, his family and the players.
He said they stayed at the Hilton last night and he can still see the Wembley Arches from where he’s standing, said he bumped into Nathan Jones (the Charlton Athletic manager), last night and told him it’s place for losers, so wishes them the best of luck for their game today against Leyton Orient.

Wilder thanked the owners for their kind words of support last night and said he’s confident they are very much committed and here for the long haul.
He also said he’s received a text last night from his friend Paul Heation who has invited him to his concert today at Bramall Labe, so he may go there.

Said he needs a little break away from football with the family, he then thanked his family and friends (Unitedites) for their support. Said he’ll return with batteries refreshed and up for the fight and mentioned all the positives at the club, regards the stature of the club and the young players coming through. Wilder also said he understood the negativity he’s receiving on social media,

When the interview finished Cas and Natalie praised Wilder for showing leadership by showing his face the morning after a defeat.
They said they haven’t seen any negativity towards him on social media, both agreed that very few managers would face the media when they’re in pain.
They also read out a text from a Liverpool fan praising Wilder for giving an interview so soon after a bad defeat.

To be honest…it’s true….it does show leadership to face the music so quickly after a massive disappointment.

Trying to put his disgraceful post match behaviour and comments.

 

[Bill puntin]

I like Campbell but you want two things from a striker. Consistent performances that result in goals. This then could lead to other clubs coming in for them and a big sale that buys a replacement and bank rolls other signings (like it or lump it with FFP that's the modern way).

Unless we can get 90 minutes out of him Campbell will never tick either of these boxes. We'll always have a 60 minute bit part striker.

Don't get me wrong, I like him, he's class. But he's Lys Mousset part 2. Unreliable due to fitness issues and we'll never play a settled 11 every game while he's in and out of the team every other week.

Totally agree but I don’t think he’s the only 60 min player we have 2 or 3

 

[Kona]

Results wise, he exceeded expectations this year, which is a huge plus for him. Campbell goes down as a big positive. Burrows and Cooper go down as positives, albeit we paid a decent wedge for them. Indeed, he was shafted at the end of the transfer window but he's had a lot of money relative to other clubs to spend this season. That with a squad which was playing in the EPL last season.

But in the negative, performances have been poor. We've had to struggle through with a threadbare squad before January but we've been stacked in terms of talent since. Any team with Hamer, BBD, Moore, Cannon, Campbell, JRS, O'Hare in attack at this level would expect to be at the top of the table. He's spend big on several players and you'd have to say that Cannon and BBD have been a let down. Unlucky with Souttar, but his management of the loanees have been poor, imo.

And then it's his behaviour, which has been unacceptable on more than one occasion for a manager of a football club. More akin to the manager of a pub side. And we've been here before and he never changes. Ditto with blaming everyone but himself for everything yet taking all the credit.

And he repeatedly plays players out of position. This 4:2:4 is the strangest thing, with the wide players, who are often forward or wingers expected to play like wide midfielders but be pushed up. BBD is an example of his wtf tactics. Played on the wrong wing. Expected to play as a midfielder off the ball. The lad was a forward players when he scored freely for Blackburn. And yet he isn't played there. We'd rather go with one player or spend £10 million on Cannon. We literally good have bought a big CB and played BBD next to Moore. Tall, decent in the air. Can't defend for toffee. Let's expect him to help the FB out. In fact, the whole madness of playing our best (theoretical) players out of position. Hamer and O'Hare. Neither played in their preferred positions.

His behaviour is one of the key concerns for me. Not only does it reflect badly on the club but I think it illustrates the impact it is having on Wilder, and that isn’t healthy. The extreme highs and lows of his behaviour for a man his age is concerning. It feels like he’s at his limit right now.

Although frustrated with the playing style and the square pegs in round holes, I wonder how much of this is down to having to undertake such a rebuild in a short period of time. I would hope we have more of strategy this time around, whoever it is.

 

[robbiez666]

I suppose in fairness Shipperley could only play 60 minutes and when Warnock dropped him for Akinbadbuy Leeds closed the 14 point gap and we nearly blew promotion. We got promoted after Shipperley started playing again.

Gordon Cowans couldn't play more than 60 minutes. I don't remember Glynn Hodges being a paragon of fitness. I guess the difference is that as long as you're surrounded by players who can and you have an impact in those 60, then you can keep your place.

 

[robbiez666]

His behaviour is one of the key concerns for me. Not only does it reflect badly on the club but I think it illustrates the impact it is having on Wilder, and that isn’t healthy. The extreme highs and lows of his behaviour for a man his age is concerning. It feels like he’s at his limit right now.

Although frustrated with the playing style and the square pegs in round holes, I wonder how much of this is down to having to undertake such a rebuild in a short period of time. I would hope we have more of strategy this time around, whoever it is.

There's essentially little difference between him and Warnock in terms of their perception by those outside the club. Warnock is at least occasionally amusing with it.

I just think he was more interested in bringing in the right (right attitude, likes a drink) players than actually brining in the best players to fill the positions.

You could literally play something like this:

---------------------------Cooper
-------Seriki--------Anel--------Holding------------Burrows
-------------Choudhury--------Vini--------Peck
----------------------------Hamer
-----------------Moore-------------Campbell

2 sitting DMs, FBs pushing on. Hamer in a free role.

He seemed to decide he was playing wingers and then didn't like how wingers played so came up with a new overlapping CB tactic of defensive wingers.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

For his own mental health he should step back, I don't think it's healthy for anyone who's so emotionally invested in the club and community to be in the drivers seat.

After reading the comments on here you could argue that a lot of posters should step back.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

There's essentially little difference between him and Warnock in terms of their perception by those outside the club. Warnock is at least occasionally amusing with it.

I just think he was more interested in bringing in the right (right attitude, likes a drink) players than actually brining in the best players to fill the positions.

You could literally play something like this:

---------------------------Cooper
-------Seriki--------Anel--------Holding------------Burrows
-------------Choudhury--------Vini--------Peck
----------------------------Hamer
-----------------Moore-------------Campbell

2 sitting DMs, FBs pushing on. Hamer in a free role.

He seemed to decide he was playing wingers and then didn't like how wingers played so came up with a new overlapping CB tactic of defensive wingers.

Three defensive midfielders?

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Do you know what? It counts for naff all now, but:
Record number of points for a 3rd place finish.
Record semifinal aggregate win.
Record points gap between 6th, and 4th.

We've done an awful lot right this season. And I know folk poke fun at Bladeyness, but he gets it, and he cares. If his hearts in it, and he shows flexibility in the transfer market/tactics, He'll do for me.

It's hard to forget that we are still very early into a much needed, large rebuild. Yesterday's defeat and subsequent losses to the squad will complicate that. But equally, there were no guarantees that promotion would've led to certain players (Souza, Hamer, Anel, Peck) staying anyway.

 

[Chimpan-A]

Errm, I pretty much said Hamza has been excellent. Read it again.

Sorry, I saw poor and makeshift and missed excelled.

 

[Linz]

He was probably absolutely shattered like most of us where at the final whistle. I understand people saying he should front up straight away as he is the manager, but he's also a huge Blades fan first and foremost and would be feeling gutted. I just wanted to be left alone after the final whistle for at least a couple of hours so I think it's too easy to have a go at him for that. He's still just a man who has his own feelings and disappointments and probably feels he has let people down.

But that's the thing. He's getting paid to be a manager first and foremost and ultimately he was the Captain in charge of a ship that sunk - both in failing to win automatic promotion and then failing at Wembley.

You've got to be the face for both the good and the bad.

I don't think arrogance is a negative trait for a manager nor confidence in your convictions but I said in the shoutbox earlier that Wilder's tenure has now got shades of a cut-price Mourinho.

But Mourinho does the things he does to take the pressure off his individual players and to direct it on to him in order to give his sides the breathing room to achieve success. Yeah, he's an utter twat at times. But he also has a lot of success too.

Wilder's comments seem to almost communicate publicly to his players that they have a free pass to not run themselves to the ground. Because it was the fans' fault, or the referees, or a sandwich - that there are some external failings that mean it's totally out of our (his) control.

Without the trophy cabinet full, a little humility wouldn't go amiss.

 

[redandwhitewizard]

I don't know if I want Wilder to go or not but for me there are two unforgivables there.
1) Not acknowledging the supporters at the end.
2) We have a lot of young players in this side that should have received some support from their manager at the final whistle.

 

[bakeblade]

Question. Why are Campbell and Hamer never completing 90 minutes. It appears there is something wrong with their conditioning

Hamers problem is clearly the way he looks after himself away from the club, Moussett similarities?
Christmas knows what Campbells problem is

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

If you carry on as he has this season, he has been the first to acknowledge that you've gotta expect it back, expect some pelters, if you give it out. It's been quite impressive how he's attracted negativity from so many neutrals. It doesn't bother me much either way, but you had to stand up and be counted even in the hardest moments.

The trolls are out in force the mo online, so just giving social media a wide berth for a bit.

 

[Shawy24]

Wilder said he hadn’t spoken to players, looked at his watch and said that was one and a half hours ago.

Well he would have found Hamza had already fucked off back up the motorway as he was photographed with a fan.

Anyway every cloud and all that, we don’t have to endure a bus procession led by the washed up old piss head.

 

[FriethBlade]

If it’s Wilder,I’m expecting re-signing Brewster,starting Robinson and the whole season trying to justify Cannon
That’s why it’s a no from me
Thanks for some incredible times but for me a change is needed

And this is my biggest worry. Brewster and Robinson have to be released and Cannon has to earn his place in the team.

 

[Bladesince59]

He brought Seriki on right at the end of the match.
He was wide on the touch line with no one in front of him, Choudhury had the ball in our half.
Seriki was screaming for the ball yet it was passed backwards.

And that my friends is why he should go.

We sat too deep,
We invited them on
We played into their hands
We had previously played through midfields when Moore was unfit, today our only plan was lump ball to his head.
Instinct of too many players is safety first, pass it back
Get in front and sit in, in the hope they do not score.

Hamza had a great game. I swear I saw him pass the ball forwards at least twice.

 

[Shawy24]

For his own mental health he should step back, I don't think it's healthy for anyone who's so emotionally invested in the club and community to be in the drivers seat.

It’s also not good for us fans and the team. He loses all objectivity as “a fan”, but also an egotistical character. I’m convinced the decision to keep playing Robinson was down to Wilders perception that character/pashun trumps ability and he had to stay loyal to his captain. Convinced he wouldn’t use Holding because that implies failure in his judgment. Convinced that BBD and Brookes were selected ahead of JRS because in Wilders head he’ll be proved right with BBD and Brookes is “one of our own”. In what Universe is the goal threat and scary pace of JRS to be sacrificed for BBD? And then there is……. Tom Cannon

Wilder. It really is all about him and not us.

 

[CornwallBlade]

Ok so it’s like this ( in my opinion) if you get to watch a fair bit of football either there or on tv there are ways of playing . Leeds manager attack minded poor defensively. Burnley manager good defensively boring going forward . There ain’t allot of Pep replacements knocking about at this level . I’ve noticed a shift from possession football to a more direct faster pace game plan. See it more in European leagues . We haven’t changed have we . Palace / Tottenham all play on the front foot along with bin dippers . Can we employ a coach who can inspire not be a fan . And let’s be honest our support sometimes. We don’t put a show on do we like Bristol did for home leg . Get bums on seats sell the club as an exciting place to go and support . Promote our important place as a club in the history of football . Sell the fucking dream come on !

Understandable perspective but fans aren’t going to get fired up if we know that Plans A B C & D are to nick a goal and then sit deep and hope to score again on the break. Umpteen times yesterday, we had breaking opportunities but turned and passed back along the defensive line. We ain’t Liverpool, so our version of that tactic is negative, boring and often costly.

 

[Toronto Blade]

It must be very difficult for him atm as he is one of us and cares so much. He probably feels that he's partly responsible for letting the fans and the club down. I think mistakes were made yesterday tactically so he has to own those, but he wasn't responsible for the mistakes made on the pitch by individual players. I know i could hardly speak to anyone after the match and just wanted to be left alone. I bet he probably felt the same. I'm just starting to come round again and feel so bit better about it all.

He's right, he needs a rest, a change of scenery for a week or two, go away on holiday etc, and then go again. Use the disappointment as fuel for next season, where it will be more satisfying as a fan than getting pumped every week in the PL with VAR involved.

I still think he's the right man for us atm (i can understand others having a different opinion mind) but he does need to learn to play 2 up top every game, play people in their natural positions, have the team attacking more with quicker tempo yo our play, and get the players being able to do 90 mins. That and start getting rid of done of his favourites like JLT. If JLT is ever present next season again then we won't do anything again. Fair play to him for fronting up this morning though.

Would he actually cut Robbo and his favorite goal scorer Brewster I can't see him changing his spots unless he gets pressure from above

 

[CornwallBlade]

Not sure mate, tbh.

I think the interviewer said “it’s 90 mins since the game ended.”