Wilder skulking off at the end of the game

[54yrblade]

However we played, our lads NEEDED CW on the pitch at the final whistle, supporting them and being in that sh*t moment with them. HIS team, HIS boys and our fans deserved his acknowledgement

Had we won, can you imagine his reaction? I can

Front and centre, soaking up the adulation and attention, claiming the moment. Badge thumping, waving and, quite rightly, claiming his place as a legend at the Lane.

There's alot of things to thank him for but when real leadership was needed, he bottled it. He ran away.

The real test of leadership comes when it's hard to bear and hard things need to be done.

It's also in the hardest of times that our true character is shown. Leadership is easy in the good times.

He let his boys down, particularly the younger ones.

Lots of us have doubted him and his character, for good reason. He confirmed it on Saturday.

You don't get a free pass for that. Bang that badge people, but it just lost its truth.

 

[thehet]

He needs to leave.

He’s had another interview where we’ve bottled a big game and he’s talking about the stats not backing up the result.

This is the bloke who said “you can stick your data”.

He’s a hypocrite and out of his depth.

Some fans buy into the parochialism but the smart ones see straight through it. Get a proper manager in, one we can build a transfer and playing strategy around. Then give them the time and money to implement it.

Wilder’s football this season has been shite, his fitness record has been shite and his ability to spend money is shite. Get rid.

Don’t get fucking Steve Cooper in either, think outside the box for once and ignore the dunces in our fan base.

Go on then, hit me with one…

 

[finlaytheblade]

It's very difficult for Wilder is it? Because he's a Blade? A Blade being paid millions? A Blade who doesn't have to go into work next week and face Wednesday fans?

All about him isn't it? Always.

No it's not!!
But the focus will be on him!
Manager and leader! he has a group of players who are hurting and need time to put it to bed.
He and his family in many ways are like us all frustrated and plenty of anger mixed in there.
Making him the scapegoat does us no favours at all.
Will he stay I think he will the owners knew promotion wasn't a given but yet gave him a 3year contract.Its how he feels about it that counts! he will be reflecting on what's happened and the way forward from here.
So I suppose in many ways it's about him really ! will he be up for it that's the burning question he has to answer

 

[robbiez666]

A good leader looks after the people he is leading.
A bad leader only cares about himself.

Leaving the players. Leaving the fans. Tells you all you need to know about his leadership.

 

[Blade56]

A good leader looks after the people he is leading.
A bad leader only cares about himself.

Leaving the players. Leaving the fans. Tells you all you need to know about his leadership.

It could also mean he’s reached or passed the mental capacity to cope cause I genuinely believe he loves the club and game so much it hurts. But he’s not the man to take it forward and the effort has taken its toll

 

[PrestwichBlade]

It could also mean he’s reached or passed the mental capacity to cope cause I genuinely believe he loves the club and game so much it hurts. But he’s not the man to take it forward and the effort has taken its toll

Yep, and ultimately this is ending up being damaging for all.

 

[Not so Slim ane]

Surprised there’s no individual thread about Wilder going AWOL at the end of the game. As a leader of any organization you lead by example, through good times and in bad. Rather than disappearing down the tunnel as fast as he could (which is what appeared to be the case from s113) he should have pulled the players together and led them to thank the fans rather than leaving them out there to make their own decisions as to what to do. His emotions as a supporter overrode his responsibility as a manager. Totally shameful. Hats off to Hamza being the one who came over first (and stayed last).

Didn't notice it as we skulked off back to the pub about 30 seconds after Sunderland's 2nd goal went in

 

[robbiez666]

It could also mean he’s reached or passed the mental capacity to cope cause I genuinely believe he loves the club and game so much it hurts. But he’s not the man to take it forward and the effort has taken its toll

And in that case, he needs to step down. Football managers are paid a lot of money because that is something they're expected to deal with. It would be the second time now when faced with adversity he hasn't.

 

[Weasel]

What's all this claptrap about the players 'needing' CW to be there with them at the final whistle? I get some would have liked him to acknowledge the fans if only so that it was a display of appreciation from the club figure head of the cost and effort fans had put in to be there again in the day. Wilder should have been over to the fans (those still in the stadium mind) after the whistle. That was a mistake. But I'm prepared to forgive him that misdemeanor as he was probably as sick as a dog like the rest of us and overly emotional.

But what's with the players needing him nonsense. They didn't. Their all big boys. They were no doubt all gutted too, but they don't all need a lovely arm around their backs and being told 'unlucky my little sausage' by the boss. I am a lot more emotionally invested in this club than any of our current players and I didn't get a lovely arm round my back and told 'it's all right, pickle' by anyone. I'm alright about that too. I was gutted, but to put it in context, it's a feckin game of football. An important one yes, but ultimately thats all it is. We lost a football match. Players shouldn't need to be consoled by the manager as a matter of routine.

Actually, I've changed my mind. No one tickled my belly and told me everything would be alright in the hour after the loss. I think it's disgusting.

 

[Weasel]

What's all this claptrap about the players 'needing' CW to be there with them at the final whistle? I get some would have liked him to acknowledge the fans if only so that it was a display of appreciation from the club figure head of the cost and effort fans had put in to be there again in the day. Wilder should have been over to the fans (those still in the stadium mind) after the whistle. That was a mistake. But I'm prepared to forgive him that misdemeanor as he was probably as sick as a dog like the rest of us and overly emotional.

But what's with the players needing him nonsense. They didn't. Their all big boys. They were no doubt all gutted too, but they don't all need a lovely arm around their backs and being told 'unlucky my little sausage' by the boss. I am a lot more emotionally invested in this club than any of our current players and I didn't get a lovely arm round my back and told 'it's all right, pickle' by anyone. I'm alright about that too. I was gutted, but to put it in context, it's a feckin game of football. An important one yes, but ultimately thats all it is. We lost a football match. Players shouldn't need to be consoled by the manager as a matter of routine.

Actually, I've changed my mind. No one tickled my belly and told me everything would be alright in the hour after the loss. I think it's disgusting. I'm particularly disgusted that Scarlett Johansson wasn't there to share a bubble bath and a nice bottle of wine with me later in the evening to help me get over it, and i think 'i needed' that. Somehow though, I managed the disappointment.

 

[robbiez666]

What's all this claptrap about the players 'needing' CW to be there with them at the final whistle? I get some would have liked him to acknowledge the fans if only so that it was a display of appreciation from the club figure head of the cost and effort fans had put in to be there again in the day. Wilder should have been over to the fans (those still in the stadium mind) after the whistle. That was a mistake. But I'm prepared to forgive him that misdemeanor as he was probably as sick as a dog like the rest of us and overly emotional.

But what's with the players needing him nonsense. They didn't. Their all big boys. They were no doubt all gutted too, but they don't all need a lovely arm around their backs and being told 'unlucky my little sausage' by the boss. I am a lot more emotionally invested in this club than any of our current players and I didn't get a lovely arm round my back and told 'it's all right, pickle' by anyone. I'm alright about that too. I was gutted, but to put it in context, it's a feckin game of football. An important one yes, but ultimately thats all it is. We lost a football match. Players shouldn't need to be consoled by the manager as a matter of routine.

Actually, I've changed my mind. No one tickled my belly and told me everything would be alright in the hour after the loss. I think it's disgusting.

A leader in any walk of life leads. If you were made redundant at work and your manager just disappeared is that a good leader? No. Obviously not. It's part of the job. It's the first thing a manager should do after a result like that. The first thing. And no, too self-absorbed to do his job.

Sorry, I can't believe people are defending this. We have young players in the team who will never have experienced this kind of disappointment. We have an absolutely useless captain. You want these players to bounce back, you don't just leave them to fester.

 

[Chris the Blade]

However we played, our lads NEEDED CW on the pitch at the final whistle, supporting them and being in that sh*t moment with them. HIS team, HIS boys and our fans deserved his acknowledgement

Had we won, can you imagine his reaction? I can

Front and centre, soaking up the adulation and attention, claiming the moment. Badge thumping, waving and, quite rightly, claiming his place as a legend at the Lane.

There's alot of things to thank him for but when real leadership was needed, he bottled it. He ran away.

The real test of leadership comes when it's hard to bear and hard things need to be done.

It's also in the hardest of times that our true character is shown. Leadership is easy in the good times.

He let his boys down, particularly the younger ones.

Lots of us have doubted him and his character, for good reason. He confirmed it on Saturday.

You don't get a free pass for that. Bang that badge people, but it just lost its truth.

Best post ever written on Wilder. It's all about him not about the football club

 

[nige]

“But in the UK, a punter is almost any sort of customer, whether it's at a market or a betting shop or a fun fair. The term is slightly derogatory and implies that they're unsophisticated buyers who can be fleeced”

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

The owners were at the game,he might have been dog whisted to see them when the game was finished for a quick chat.

 

[Weasel]

A leader in any walk of life leads. If you were made redundant at work and your manager just disappeared is that a good leader? No. Obviously not. It's part of the job. It's the first thing a manager should do after a result like that. The first thing. And no, too self-absorbed to do his job.

Sorry, I can't believe people are defending this. We have young players in the team who will never have experienced this kind of disappointment. We have an absolutely useless captain. You want these players to bounce back, you don't just leave them to fester.

But you don't HAVE to be there with them within 30 seconds of the final whistle. If he's buggered off on holiday without speaking to the players then I totally get that, but some are just finding anything to have a pop at him for. My point being the players won't be psychologically scarred by not having Wilder stood next to them on the pitch for 2 mins after the game. They will be alright, pissed off yes, but we all were. They'll survive. I'm sure CW will have now had a chat with them all and im sure they are all friends still. 'Leave them to fester' what are you on about?

Fine, have a go at his tactics, his team selection, his subs, the way we bottled it in the league and then in the last 20 mins, to me thats fair game. But I don't think many are getting over precious about not have Wilder come out to wave at the crowd after the match or to tell the players it all going to be alright. Sorry, can't believe some people don't understand that...

 

[Blade56]

The owners were at the game,he might have been dog whisted to see them when the game was finished for a quick chat.

Bet their “drive of shame” home as we call it lasted longer than ours.

 

[Blade56]

But you don't HAVE to be there with them within 30 seconds of the final whistle. If he's buggered off on holiday without speaking to the players then I totally get that, but some are just finding anything to have a pop at him for. My point being the players won't be psychologically scarred by not having Wilder stood next to them on the pitch for 2 mins after the game. They will be alright, pissed off yes, but we all were. They'll survive. I'm sure CW will have now had a chat with them all and im sure they are all friends still. 'Leave them to fester' what are you on about?

Fine, have a go at his tactics, his team selection, his subs, the way we bottled it in the league and then in the last 20 mins, to me thats fair game. But I don't think many are getting over precious about not have Wilder come out to wave at the crowd after the match or to tell the players it all going to be alright. Sorry, can't believe some people don't understand that...

Maybe he had to pay his Ultra Low Omissions charge before 6pm

 

[Sean Thornton]

Maybe he had to pay his Ultra Low Omissions charge before 6pm

What else did he leave out?

 

[Sherwoodblade]

Well that's the other thing about Wilder. Constantly trying to prove our fans wrong about certain players or the way we play.

The fact he didn't even bring Holding on to see out the game says everything about Wilder's ego.

That is probably his biggest crime. Apparently, Wilder had never lost a play off game prior to Saturday. Well he did his best to mess that up did he not? When you have a player that has won two FA cups playing on the same pitch in a game which is a winner takes all; that player having bags of premier league experience, you play that player. The problem is that he has his favourites and seems to have the inability to make the big decisions that will favour the team because his ego comes first. If you mess up in a league game then it's normally not long to try and bounce back. This game is a totally different matter. The ramifications of defeat could go far deeper. I hope it doesn't but it could.

This is a man who does not learn from his mistakes he doubles down on them.

 

[Sherwoodblade]

No it's not!!
But the focus will be on him!
Manager and leader! he has a group of players who are hurting and need time to put it to bed.
He and his family in many ways are like us all frustrated and plenty of anger mixed in there.
Making him the scapegoat does us no favours at all.
Will he stay I think he will the owners knew promotion wasn't a given but yet gave him a 3year contract.Its how he feels about it that counts! he will be reflecting on what's happened and the way forward from here.
So I suppose in many ways it's about him really ! will he be up for it that's the burning question he has to answer

Leeds have shown the way forward. They sold their best players and came back stronger by sensible recruitment. If Wilder had said go out in the second half and attack and the players didn't do so or did but made bad choices then yes he would be a scapegoat in that scenario. However if his instructions were play more defensively then he is not a scapegoat. His instructions his tactics will have put us on the back foot and ultimately costs us the game regardless of VAR.

 

[ATL Recs]

But you don't HAVE to be there with them within 30 seconds of the final whistle. If he's buggered off on holiday without speaking to the players then I totally get that, but some are just finding anything to have a pop at him for. My point being the players won't be psychologically scarred by not having Wilder stood next to them on the pitch for 2 mins after the game. They will be alright, pissed off yes, but we all were. They'll survive. I'm sure CW will have now had a chat with them all and im sure they are all friends still. 'Leave them to fester' what are you on about?

Fine, have a go at his tactics, his team selection, his subs, the way we bottled it in the league and then in the last 20 mins, to me thats fair game. But I don't think many are getting over precious about not have Wilder come out to wave at the crowd after the match or to tell the players it all going to be alright. Sorry, can't believe some people don't understand that...

There are times when you do need to be with them even if it’s a simple acknowledgment it’s called leadership he’s got history for this unprofessional and not how a leader responds

 

[ATL Recs]

Leeds have shown the way forward. They sold their best players and came back stronger by sensible recruitment. If Wilder had said go out in the second half and attack and the players didn't do so or did but made bad choices then yes he would be a scapegoat in that scenario. However if his instructions were play more defensively then he is not a scapegoat. His instructions his tactics will have put us on the back foot and ultimately costs us the game regardless of VAR.

Wilder has already said he had them
Sitting in to catch them on the break
Confirming a sit back hoof flick on approach

 

[PrestwichBlade]

But you don't HAVE to be there with them within 30 seconds of the final whistle. If he's buggered off on holiday without speaking to the players then I totally get that, but some are just finding anything to have a pop at him for. My point being the players won't be psychologically scarred by not having Wilder stood next to them on the pitch for 2 mins after the game. They will be alright, pissed off yes, but we all were. They'll survive. I'm sure CW will have now had a chat with them all and im sure they are all friends still. 'Leave them to fester' what are you on about?

Fine, have a go at his tactics, his team selection, his subs, the way we bottled it in the league and then in the last 20 mins, to me thats fair game. But I don't think many are getting over precious about not have Wilder come out to wave at the crowd after the match or to tell the players it all going to be alright. Sorry, can't believe some people don't understand that...

I'm not sure you really understand the concept of 'Team'

 

[Weasel]

I'm not sure you really understand the concept of 'Team'

Well I was in the British Army for a good few years, so maybe I do. Maybe also, I don't get vexed about our football club manager not being stood with the players for 5 mins at the end of a football game, when he can do that after the match sometime in the changing room. Maybe we just have a lot of precious fans who love to be outraged on behalf of others. Maybe

 

[Bladesince59]

He's a dreadful leader and team player. Does anyone think Bassett or Warnock would have behaved so badly? Wilder is now on a very short leash and knows it.

 

[Weasel]

That is probably his biggest crime. Apparently, Wilder had never lost a play off game prior to Saturday. Well he did his best to mess that up did he not? When you have a player that has won two FA cups playing on the same pitch in a game which is a winner takes all; that player having bags of premier league experience, you play that player. The problem is that he has his favourites and seems to have the inability to make the big decisions that will favour the team because his ego comes first. If you mess up in a league game then it's normally not long to try and bounce back. This game is a totally different matter. The ramifications of defeat could go far deeper. I hope it doesn't but it could.

This is a man who does not learn from his mistakes he doubles down on them.

This is a genuine criticism in my eyes. Valid points and mostly ones I agree with.

 

[Bell4]

He brought Seriki on right at the end of the match.
He was wide on the touch line with no one in front of him, Choudhury had the ball in our half.
Seriki was screaming for the ball yet it was passed backwards.

And that my friends is why he should go.

We sat too deep,
We invited them on
We played into their hands
We had previously played through midfields when Moore was unfit, today our only plan was lump ball to his head.
Instinct of too many players is safety first, pass it back
Get in front and sit in, in the hope they do not score.

This is so true - we all saw it …

Yet ?

Sitting deep was the tactic to counter Sunderland’s counter attacking style by closing down the space to run into . You could argue this worked somewhat as they never really laid a glove on us and looked so poor . The long ball was working and turned their defence and created 3 clear cut chances which tbh we should have taken . This added to our goal should have easily been enough to beat a poor team .

All this , aligned with giving them the ball to score at the end and not filling the hole Anels injury created led to our defeat .

There were mistakes but he arguably nearly got it right again ?

Just saying as I too think he should leave

 

[The Crab]

Well I was in the British Army for a good few years, so maybe I do. Maybe also, I don't get vexed about our football club manager not being stood with the players for 5 mins at the end of a football game, when he can do that after the match sometime in the changing room. Maybe we just have a lot of precious fans who love to be outraged on behalf of others. Maybe

I don’t agree with your view on what Wilder should have done. But I feel compelled to say thank you for your service in the Army. You’ll know all about teamwork

 

[54yrblade]

Best post ever written on Wilder. It's all about him not about the football club

Bless you mate. Don't ever listen to what people say, watch how they act. That's who they really are

 

[54yrblade]

A leader in any walk of life leads. If you were made redundant at work and your manager just disappeared is that a good leader? No. Obviously not. It's part of the job. It's the first thing a manager should do after a result like that. The first thing. And no, too self-absorbed to do his job.

Sorry, I can't believe people are defending this. We have young players in the team who will never have experienced this kind of disappointment. We have an absolutely useless captain. You want these players to bounce back, you don't just leave them to fester.

The fact that they will degrading him is firm evidence of just how needy he and his supporters are.

They'll forgive him anything. Walk out a few yrs ago - all good. Waste money on crap strikers - all good. Act like a Saturday night drunk in pubs and on the field at Plymouth - hero status, and justifying 'one of our own' disappearing when HIS boys needed their manager with them at a seriously bad time - well, that's all good too.

The mutual need between Wilder and his followers is now toxic.

They want to be him. He represents them, their lifestyles and, in reality, their own limitations too.

He is a manager.
His leadership credentials are in tatters.

He's had a great run but it's done.