Wilder skulking off at the end of the game

[Bladesman]

Question. Why are Campbell and Hamer never completing 90 minutes. It appears there is something wrong with their conditioning

Something wrong with Hamer and his relationship with food and drink.

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Was the interview recorded 90 minutes after the game or is that just when it was aired?

Not sure mate, tbh.

 

[54yrblade]

Three cheers I've been saying he stabbed Hecky in the back many times with his not so secret meetings with PA resulting in Hecky getting the boot so "King Mardy Arse" could crawl back into The Lane. But many of his worshippers on here won't have any of it. The same crowd that think it is OK to have had 6 fines totaling £445,000.

I know I'm far from alone with that thinking. It's all there if you want to see beyond the narcissism and manipulation to protect his place.
IF you want to that is

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

If you're going to foster a no-one likes us we don't care mentality, you need stronger characters than we've got.

If Wilder stays, I hope he cuts a different figure next season. More the 2016 - 2020 version.

Celebrate when you've actually achieved something, behave like a professional man of nearly 60, and only create headlines for the right reasons.

The 2016-2020 Wilder was a "I'd rather lose 4-3 trying to win the game then sit back and try to defend 1-0." We feared no one and everyone feared us. Win, lose or draw we battered teams and outplayed them all over the pitch. Then the away game at Villa came where we tossed away a 3-0 lead and the rest is history and negative Wilder was born and hasn't looked back.

 

[Bertie Mee]

It would also be a no from me on the basis that he’s had 2 bites of the cherry this season and fucked them both up. Questions have to be asked with the strength and quality at our disposal how we failed to convert either of the two opportunities? In fact yesterday shouldn’t have even been happening if we wouldn’t have that fuck up week that we did.

I hear people saying ‘he has to learn from his mistakes - must change his attitude’ etc. Wilder ain’t going to do that. He’s two stubborn and set in his ways. I haven’t enjoyed our football this season other than probably 5 games. Scoring and then sitting back to try and defend the lead - how many times have we had to endure that this season? And to go and do the same thing yesterday in the penultimate game just played straight in to Sunderland’s hands.

All season playing people out of position, bizarre team selections, head scratching tactics and substitutions just leaves more questions than answers. For the good of the club and probably Chris in the long run it’s definitely time for a change In my opinion.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

I am a Wilder fan and I would keep him here if I believed he:

1. Was capable of learning from his mistakes
2. Has learnt how to better spend money when transfer fees are involved
3. Was able to identify when players are ready to be moved on (and not hang onto them for one or two seasons too many)
4. Had become more tactically astute
5. Had learned to control his emotions, particularly, removing the classless behaviour from his actions.

Unfortunately, I have seen no evidence of this. Hence I think it might be time to let him go.

Agree with the first 4.

My question is, is it really unrealistic for supporters to expect young athletes on salaries the rest of us can only dream about to be able to last 90 minutes?

We need a don't buy crocks mentality.

 

[JT89]

Said he needs a little break away from football with the family

They said they haven’t seen any negativity towards him on social media, both agreed that very few managers would face the media when they’re in pain.

Hopefully by the end of this week the new owners will have arranged for him to have plenty of time away from football, the further away the better.

Can only assume they just haven't been on social media, negativity towards him is everywhere on every single interview clip he's in online, both from our fans and pretty much every other clubs fans.

Some players/managers get the reputation of being a shithouse when they're the opposition, but you'd love them if they were your shithouse. However Wilder just seems to be unpopular with most fans throughout football and it doesn't seem like many fans would want him anywhere near their club.

Very few managers love the media and making it all about themselves as much as Wilder does.

 

[Selly]

he wasn't responsible for the mistakes made on the pitch by individual players

He also wasn't responsible for our rotten luck.

Hamer getting injured right after we make a double substitution.

BBD getting injured.

Anel being off the pitch with a concussion when they scored.

If there is a critical around the above it's that Holding wasn't immediately brought on when Anel was having a concussion check in the area - but then if we have to wait until it's confirmed as a concussion before we make a concussion substitute then it's back to extremely bad luck.

 

[Silky Sabella]

Wilders like the bloke that knocks his wife about, then apologises and says he'll change.
Rinse and repeat.

GET TO FUCK.
He's a one trick washed up mardy twat.
Get him sacked.

Brilliant post knowsnowt

 

[Kona]

For us to progress and develop as a club, I think we need to change our philosophy on and off the pitch - whether it’s with Wilder or not.

I’ve seen a few posters saying that they’d be happy for Wilder to stay if he could learn from his mistakes, and part of me agrees, but I’m not convinced he’s got that in him.

Didn’t he say something similar to this when he returned to the club? If so, his antics this season show he’s forgotten that.

If he does stay I’d like to see someone come in who oversees things closer than the owners, perhaps a Director of Football. Someone who can challenge Wilder and also be a safe space for him to talk about decision, defeats, transfers, etc.

I’d also like him to sort out his embarrassing behaviour. It’s great that he’s a fan and has passion but it’s become a blurred line. He needs to remember he’s leader and main representative of this club.

I think the difficulty he faces is that there is a growing element of fans who want him gone whatever. It will only take a few losses early on in the season for that to increase and we’ve potentially had a wasted summer and transfer window.

I’d love to see him change and make it work but sadly, I cannot see it happening. Perhaps now is the time to bring someone as a refresh and while’s there money available from the parachute payments.

 

[Jimmy Fleck]

Dinosaur style of play.
Dancing on tables after beating pigs.
Doesn’t know his best 11.
Never accepts responsibility.
Wasted millions on garbage like Brewster and Cannon.
He’s done some wonderful things for us- but as a club we must move on.

 

[Pintor75]

The 2016-2020 Wilder was a "I'd rather lose 4-3 trying to win the game then sit back and try to defend 1-0." We feared no one and everyone feared us. Win, lose or draw we battered teams and outplayed them all over the pitch. Then the away game at Villa came where we tossed away a 3-0 lead and the rest is history and negative Wilder was born and hasn't looked back.

He's had a good run, but the end of his blades road is here along with the whole coaching staff, thanks for what you've given us, but we need someone and better coaching to take us to that next level, who that may be I don't know, but it's not yesterday's man

 

[Varkanoid]

He also wasn't responsible for our rotten luck.

Hamer getting injured right after we make a double substitution.

BBD getting injured.

Anel being off the pitch with a concussion when they scored.

If there is a critical around the above it's that Holding wasn't immediately brought on when Anel was having a concussion check in the area - but then if we have to wait until it's confirmed as a concussion before we make a concussion substitute then it's back to extremely bad luck.

From what I've read match officials didnt allow us to make the substitute quick enough. Ref told him to go off behind the goal not walk to the dugout so they could play on, those seconds didnt allow us to put Holding on. We always seem to get the bad rub.

 

[loyalblade95]

He showed no leadership at the end or seemingly in the hour or two afterwards.

As for no negativity on social media, it's everywhere without having to look for it. From Blades and then supporters of umpteen clubs taking the piss.

I suppose it depends on where exactly they were looking for that negativity.

I'd imagine they usually look on twitter but with the amount of tweets/comments on there post-match, it can be easy to miss it sometimes.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

And yet last summer Wilder made it clear that the pre-season training would be the toughest the players hade ever faced in order to get them in the correct condition.

In addition he said that they would be looking at the issue of too many injuries (an unfair dig at Hecky in my opinion).

As it turns out injuries and fitness of players to play for 90 minutes has been an issue all season.

If Campbell was only going to play his usual 65 minutes yesterday then it was crucial that we took as many of the chances created as possible while he was on the pitch.

Ignoring the VAR 1-0 at half time wasn't good enough.

The substitutions have been criticised but our approach to the whole of the second half was the key factor.

I went yesterday with a real positive view that this was our year believing that if the right United team turned up we wouldn't have any problems.

The right United team turned up in the first half but even though they were the same players it was a completely different team in that second half.

That's what I just don't understand.

The disallowed goal gave Sunderland belief that they didn't have before and they dominated the remainder of the first half without actually threatening us. I think Cooper made one save in that period. In the first 15 minutes of the second half it was much the same. Sunderland dominating without threatening.

Two things changed after this. Moore not laying the ball off to Campbell during the counter attack which would have been 2-0 against the run of play, a sucker punch and would have killed Sunderland's growing confidence.

The other was the first subs. Taking off Campbell was fair as his legs were gone but it should've been Cannon as the two up top was working and this made Moore ineffective. The other was taking off Brewster as Hamza was exposed more after this and Sunderland started seeing joy down their left side. Perhaps O'Hare instead of Brooks would've worked better.

Losing Hamer, our main attacking threat with Moore killed us off and gave Sunderland the belief and momentum they needed as Moore was ineffective without Hamer and Campbell and we no longer had a threat and they knew this.

That for me was it in a nutshell. Perhaps bringing on Davies earlier for Peck whilst Sunderland were having that period of dominance wouldhave calmed things down and allowed us to hold onto the ball better. But like Hecky, Wilder waits until something happens before he reacts, instead of preempting it and making proactive changes to prevent what is inevitably coming.

Poor substitutions cost us the game for me, not necessarily the individual errors.

 

[Davalon]

The 2016-2020 Wilder was a "I'd rather lose 4-3 trying to win the game then sit back and try to defend 1-0." We feared no one and everyone feared us. Win, lose or draw we battered teams and outplayed them all over the pitch. Then the away game at Villa came where we tossed away a 3-0 lead and the rest is history and negative Wilder was born and hasn't looked back.

Agree with most of that but I thought we were still brave most of that first Prem season, despite tweaking the system a little.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

I still like the Pompey manager and the one currently in charge of Lincoln City.

 

[Harry's Game]

I was hoping he would be announcing his retirement

 

[Rhyll Grease]

I'm really not big

 

[robbiez666]

For us to progress and develop as a club, I think we need to change our philosophy on and off the pitch - whether it’s with Wilder or not.

I’ve seen a few posters saying that they’d be happy for Wilder to stay if he could learn from his mistakes, and part of me agrees, but I’m not convinced he’s got that in him.

Didn’t he say something similar to this when he returned to the club? If so, his antics this season show he’s forgotten that.

If he does stay I’d like to see someone come in who oversees things closer than the owners, perhaps a Director of Football. Someone who can challenge Wilder and also be a safe space for him to talk about decision, defeats, transfers, etc.

I’d also like him to sort out his embarrassing behaviour. It’s great that he’s a fan and has passion but it’s become a blurred line. He needs to remember he’s leader and main representative of this club.

I think the difficulty he faces is that there is a growing element of fans who want him gone whatever. It will only take a few losses early on in the season for that to increase and we’ve potentially had a wasted summer and transfer window.

I’d love to see him change and make it work but sadly, I cannot see it happening. Perhaps now is the time to bring someone as a refresh and while’s there money available from the parachute payments.

Results wise, he exceeded expectations this year, which is a huge plus for him. Campbell goes down as a big positive. Burrows and Cooper go down as positives, albeit we paid a decent wedge for them. Indeed, he was shafted at the end of the transfer window but he's had a lot of money relative to other clubs to spend this season. That with a squad which was playing in the EPL last season.

But in the negative, performances have been poor. We've had to struggle through with a threadbare squad before January but we've been stacked in terms of talent since. Any team with Hamer, BBD, Moore, Cannon, Campbell, JRS, O'Hare in attack at this level would expect to be at the top of the table. He's spend big on several players and you'd have to say that Cannon and BBD have been a let down. Unlucky with Souttar, but his management of the loanees have been poor, imo.

And then it's his behaviour, which has been unacceptable on more than one occasion for a manager of a football club. More akin to the manager of a pub side. And we've been here before and he never changes. Ditto with blaming everyone but himself for everything yet taking all the credit.

And he repeatedly plays players out of position. This 4:2:4 is the strangest thing, with the wide players, who are often forward or wingers expected to play like wide midfielders but be pushed up. BBD is an example of his wtf tactics. Played on the wrong wing. Expected to play as a midfielder off the ball. The lad was a forward players when he scored freely for Blackburn. And yet he isn't played there. We'd rather go with one player or spend £10 million on Cannon. We literally good have bought a big CB and played BBD next to Moore. Tall, decent in the air. Can't defend for toffee. Let's expect him to help the FB out. In fact, the whole madness of playing our best (theoretical) players out of position. Hamer and O'Hare. Neither played in their preferred positions.

 

[drblade]

I honestly think had Soutter not got injured the 2 two would have been achievable. Losing Soutter was as impactful as losing JOC. the balance of the team was affected and it just didn't seem as strong once he was injured. also Right back was a weird one 4 players only one of them Hamza could last 90 mins and he was the non right back out of the 4. We need to sort the defence out 2 players each position minimum and defenders who are not made of biscuits.

Agree. So sign a replacement in the JTW. Instead, he signed Cannon and got in a PL CB on loan that he never played.

UTB

 

[Tickhill Blade]

He also wasn't responsible for our rotten luck.

Hamer getting injured right after we make a double substitution.

BBD getting injured.

Anel being off the pitch with a concussion when they scored.

If there is a critical around the above it's that Holding wasn't immediately brought on when Anel was having a concussion check in the area - but then if we have to wait until it's confirmed as a concussion before we make a concussion substitute then it's back to extremely bad luck.

I don't think it was bad luck really, just poor anticipation and management. Sunderland took 6 minutes to get O'Nien off the pitch, for an injury where he was charging down the touchline celebrating later on. We should have done the concussion check in the middle of the fucking pitch and brought Holding on straight away.

 

[Gordon Freeman]

If Wilder stays, I'd like to see him stay as a coach with someone else/other people making transfer decisions.

There's no doubt players respect him, and he can get a tune out of players where other managers fail, but his transfer record when given money so spend is woeful. Not only that, but at times it feels like he's forcing square pegs into round holes to try and justify the outlay on certain players.

The majority of successful teams in the Premier League now have analytical teams that drive transfer decisions. It's time we made that change.

 

[Bill puntin]

I like Wilder want him to do well, think he’ll be given another crack. However he needs to get it right this time, get players for the formation he wants to play, we need pace down the sides if he’s going 4231 again, players that aren’t made of glass would be a bonus too.

Yes i agree he might need to upgrade his backroom staff they looked knackered again after 60 mins but now think we all need a break from it for a couple of months

 

[metalblade]

Sack the b......

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Results wise, he exceeded expectations this year, which is a huge plus for him. Campbell goes down as a big positive. Burrows and Cooper go down as positives, albeit we paid a decent wedge for them. Indeed, he was shafted at the end of the transfer window but he's had a lot of money relative to other clubs to spend this season. That with a squad which was playing in the EPL last season.

But in the negative, performances have been poor. We've had to struggle through with a threadbare squad before January but we've been stacked in terms of talent since. Any team with Hamer, BBD, Moore, Cannon, Campbell, JRS, O'Hare in attack at this level would expect to be at the top of the table. He's spend big on several players and you'd have to say that Cannon and BBD have been a let down. Unlucky with Souttar, but his management of the loanees have been poor, imo.

And then it's his behaviour, which has been unacceptable on more than one occasion for a manager of a football club. More akin to the manager of a pub side. And we've been here before and he never changes. Ditto with blaming everyone but himself for everything yet taking all the credit.

I like Campbell but you want two things from a striker. Consistent performances that result in goals. This then could lead to other clubs coming in for them and a big sale that buys a replacement and bank rolls other signings (like it or lump it with FFP that's the modern way).

Unless we can get 90 minutes out of him Campbell will never tick either of these boxes. We'll always have a 60 minute bit part striker.

Don't get me wrong, I like him, he's class. But he's Lys Mousset part 2. Unreliable due to fitness issues and we'll never play a settled 11 every game while he's in and out of the team every other week.

 

[robbiez666]

I like Campbell but you want two things from a striker. Consistent performances that result in goals. This then could lead to other clubs coming in for them and a big sale that buys a replacement and bank rolls other signings (like it or lump it with FFP that's the modern way).

Unless we can get 90 minutes out of him Campbell will never tick either of these boxes. We'll always have a 60 minute bit part striker.

Don't get me wrong, I like him, he's class. But he's Lys Mousset part 2. Unreliable due to fitness issues and we'll never play a settled 11 every game while he's in and out of the team every other week.

He was on a free and signed for us because of his fitness issues. He'd never pass a medical. In fairness, Wilder took a chance on him and it paid off. Unlike say RND, Brewster or Shackleton, which haven't.

So, I don't really mind that. Along as the players round him can play 95-100 minutes, which they can't.

 

[The Crab]

Absolutely. He said on the Sky interview that he still hadn't seen the players 90 minutes after the game. Where was he, because he wasn't on the pitch. I wonder what the players thought about that? I know what I'd think if I'd had a massive disappointment in my work and the manager went AWOL, especially if he'd had a big hand in that disappointment occuring.

Leadership really isn't going on a radio show 18 hours after the event to say how disappointed you are, but the owners are still backing me.

I’d have to agree.

I get that he’s hurting, just as we are. But he’s our leader, our figure head so to speak.

A lot of people paid a lot of money and went to a lot of trouble to go. So to just walk off is seen as an act of petulance, which I’d say seems to be a habit of his when things get tough.

And not speaking to the players? Well that’s piss poor

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

He was on a free and signed for us because of his fitness issues. He'd never pass a medical. In fairness, Wilder took a chance on him and it paid off. Unlike say RND, Brewster or Shackleton, which haven't.

So, I don't really mind that. Along as the players round him can play 95-100 minutes, which they can't.

I suppose in fairness Shipperley could only play 60 minutes and when Warnock dropped him for Akinbadbuy Leeds closed the 14 point gap and we nearly blew promotion. We got promoted after Shipperley started playing again.

 

[bornablade]

If Wilder stays, I'd like to see him stay as a coach with someone else/other people making transfer decisions.

There's no doubt players respect him, and he can get a tune out of players where other managers fail, but his transfer record when given money so spend is woeful. Not only that, but at times it feels like he's forcing square pegs into round holes to try and justify the outlay on certain players.

The majority of successful teams in the Premier League now have analytical teams that drive transfer decisions. It's time we made that change.

'There's no doubt players respect him...'

I'm not disagreeing with your sentiment but can you provide evidence t show where the players DO respect him?