[CONFIRMED] Billy Paynter

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factoid , Paynter played in all 46 games , last season in division one scoring 13 goals
so was 1/11th of a promotion side, thats what we need and 10 more besides
 
We're probably still tied with the wage restrictions as to who we can get in this JTW. At the end of the season, when we have gotten rid of a few players, there will be more dosh freed up to sign the striker who can move us forward. Paynter is a decent addition for the time being.
 
highpeakblade said:
Some of the negativity amongst Blades fans takes the piss I mean seriously what so you lot expect?

Give the lad a chance, he was a huge part of a promotion winning team from this league that we are in. He has bags of experience at this level and at the level above and he has far more pros going for him than cons.

A few wins and people start thinking big signings, play-offs and promotion etc, we all want that more that anything but we have to be realistic and look at the bigger picture which sees us still flirting with the relegation zone in League One which won't attract that many championship bench warmers, even they would rather be at the likes of Orient, Brentford and Wolves who all have a much better chance of achieving something than us this year.

Look at the job at hand, lookt the qualities needed to do this job and Paynter fits the bill and is more than adequate at this level. He's won promotion out of this league, he's banged in goals in this league and he has the experience of how to play football effectively in this league.

Come on peoples give the lad a chance! As soon as he knocks in a couple of goals for us you will deny knocking him in the first place anyway!
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well said high peak, what do some of our fans expect indeed ? we are a league 1 club and we aint going to attract top quality players,paynter is proven at this level,porter is proven at championship level fact ! give me paynter any day and for gods sake give the guy a chance...... seem to remember the shipperley signing,he too was coming to the end of his career a journeyman,but he was always in the right place to grab those important goals
 
sothall blade said:
well said high peak, what do some of our fans expect indeed ? we are a league 1 club and we aint going to attract top quality players,paynter is proven at this level,porter is proven at championship level fact ! give me paynter any day and for gods sake give the guy a chance...... seem to remember the shipperley signing,he too was coming to the end of his career a journeyman,but he was always in the right place to grab those important goals
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I agree. on paper it looks like a bog standard signing.
but scratch beneath the surface & it could be a gold lined one.
in NC we trust.
 
I don't see him getting into the starting XI straight away.
He's only started once for Doncaster this season, so he can hardly be match-fit.
I think he might genuinely be cover for Porter rather than the other way around.
He gives Clough the option of taking Porter off after an hour to give him a rest, without changing the system too much.
 
sothall blade said:
well said high peak, what do some of our fans expect indeed ? we are a league 1 club and we aint going to attract top quality players,paynter is proven at this level,porter is proven at championship level fact ! give me paynter any day and for gods sake give the guy a chance...... seem to remember the shipperley signing,he too was coming to the end of his career a journeyman,but he was always in the right place to grab those important goals
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We need to be looking at better signings than Billy Paynter. Game changing investment my arse - Donny will be paying some of his wages. If we really have the money players don't give a flying one where we are in the League as they in it for what they can make. Time some you of woke up and smelt the coffee there isn't any game changing investment. How do I know because St Kev said there is!
 
I asked my Rovers' supporting pal for his assessment. Here it is:

When Billy Paynter came to us from Leeds, he was known as "barn door Billy" by the Leeds fans, suggesting that he could not hit a barn door. He had some good games for us and made the pass from the missed penalty at Brentford that enabled Coppinger to score and win us promotion. I think he is best played in the box he causes all sorts of problems,he is a tough guy and takes no prisoners, I liked him but I would say League 1 is his limit
This year he came on as a late sub against Leeds to cries of "Paynter you fat b........st..d" from the Leeds yobs, his first touch was a superb headed goal which shut them up. I think he could get you a goal or two
 
Sothall_Blade said:
I don't see him getting into the starting XI straight away.
He's only started once for Doncaster this season, so he can hardly be match-fit.
I think he might genuinely be cover for Porter rather than the other way around.
He gives Clough the option of taking Porter off after an hour to give him a rest, without changing the system too much.
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I agree with this. I think a lot of people in this thread saying hes better than Porter, are forgetting that Clough clearly rates Porter. Paynter will get his chance to impress, but I see him as cover for Porter too. This makes me think a striker will still be coming in, different to Paynter to play up top with Porter and come straight in to the side.
 
Longtime Blade said:
I asked my Rovers' supporting pal for his assessment. Here it is:

When Billy Paynter came to us from Leeds, he was known as "barn door Billy" by the Leeds fans, suggesting that he could not hit a barn door. He had some good games for us and made the pass from the missed penalty at Brentford that enabled Coppinger to score and win us promotion. I think he is best played in the box he causes all sorts of problems,he is a tough guy and takes no prisoners, I liked him but I would say League 1 is his limit
This year he came on as a late sub against Leeds to cries of "Paynter you fat b........st..d" from the Leeds yobs, his first touch was a superb headed goal which shut them up. I think he could get you a goal or two
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Longtime Blade, that sounds like a fair assessment of BP. As I wrote in a previous mail, we're where we are and deserve to be, and if we bring in players midway through the system that improve our goal threat that's got to be seen as a plus. Some posters on here have a blinkered, dare I say, uninformed view of footballing finances, how deals are structured, and what sort of player we'll attract at the moment. If we were in the Championship we might be looking at a Wells, a Wickham, or someone else who's a cut above what we currently have, so don't get carried away with fevered imaginations, there's a long way to go and we'll all have a better idea of the club's intentions in about 18 months or so.
 
itsinyerblood said:
Longtime Blade, that sounds like a fair assessment of BP. As I wrote in a previous mail, we're where we are and deserve to be, and if we bring in players midway through the system that improve our goal threat that's got to be seen as a plus. Some posters on here have a blinkered, dare I say, uninformed view of footballing finances, how deals are structured, and what sort of player we'll attract at the moment. If we were in the Championship we might be looking at a Wells, a Wickham, or someone else who's a cut above what we currently have, so don't get carried away with fevered imaginations, there's a long way to go and we'll all have a better idea of the club's intentions in about 18 months or so.
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Go on then, give us the benefit of your knowledge on this subject.
 



I will start out by saying I am uninspired and don't see this is a great signing. I've seen him play many a time and never seen him perform notably, and living in Leeds, he is a laughing stock there for how badly he performed. Ofcourse I will support the guy and give him every chance to prove me wrong, I hope he does.

I think the real reason people are underwhelmed by this, is not the signing of Paynter, but just look at the calibre of signings other 'smaller' clubs around us are picking up and left us wondering again why we have been left with Paynter a la Bent, O'Halloran, Forte etc etc etc

Bristol picked up Tyrone Barnet, Notts kept Grealish, Stevenage kept Zoko (why on earth has no one else picked him up, he's scoring for fun even at bottom of the league) all of whom are improvements on Paytner IMO. Just feels a bit of a January 'groundhog day' again. Bit sick of it now!
 
blade too long said:
factoid , Paynter played in all 46 games , last season in division one scoring 13 goals
so was 1/11th of a promotion side, thats what we need and 10 more besides
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13 :eek: goals in a team who were performing better than we currently are don't fill me with hope.

If he'd got 25 would make me feel different
 
ghandi said:
Go on then, give us the benefit of your knowledge on this subject.
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Hi ghandi, suppose what I weary of is that rush to judgement that some posters are eager to join in on.

As for contractual matters, there's not much to choose between entertainment and sports agreements, and I've been involved with both. It's how I earn my livelihood. As for your cynicism about the Prince, sure, you're entitled to be negative. After far too many 'positive' messages that have emanated from SUFC over the years I can understand why you'd think 'Here we go again'.

The question I'd ask is, who did you expect Clough to bring in now? Have you latched onto phrases such as 'game changing investment' and drawn the conclusion that suddenly we'll be competing for a Wells or Wickham? It won't happen mate, at least not at the moment. Sure, money helps, but I think the key to all of this is perspective and patience. All players have agents, and a good agent will advise his client on the benefits of moving to this or that club. We're at least 18 months away from possible promotion, so why would a good, ambitious player choose to come to a team struggling at the wrong end of Division 1?

At the moment NC is just at the beginning of his attempt to mould this squad into something that reflects what he wants SUFC to be. Have you noticed the number of players who've either been loaned or released by Clough? Not the most glamorous part of internal reorganisation I admit, but in many ways it's a vital cog in what will enable Clough to fashion this team to suit his ideas and improve our overall quality.

There's no point getting the hump because I disagree with your perspective. By all means wave the cynic's flag if it serves some purpose. Personally I can't see that it helps. I'm not suggesting that anyone blindly follow or accept what McCabe or the Prince include in their PR statements. But it does help if you have an understanding of how the business works.

Whether you agree with what I've written doesn't actually matter a great deal. I doubt very much whether NC pays too much attention to boards like this. What does matter is that Clough gets the support he feels he needs and that long-term we see the benefits of what he's trying to do.
 
ghandi said:
We need to be looking at better signings than Billy Paynter. Game changing investment my arse - Donny will be paying some of his wages. If we really have the money players don't give a flying one where we are in the League as they in it for what they can make. Time some you of woke up and smelt the coffee there isn't any game changing investment. How do I know because St Kev said there is!
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HRH would not have got involved had he not intended to make a difference. Your proposition is founded, understandably I suppose, on the usual cynicism but, on this occasion, makes no sense.

The Prince has already funded the Baxter and Cuvelier signings. He has committed substantial time and executive resources in the shape of Jim Phipps. We are not dealing with Samantha Hashimi here. He is the nephew of the King of Saudi Arabia and has far better things to do with his time than be part of some crazy sham involvement in a Third Division club,

It is no part of the plan to spend big in January. It never was. The club has made that crystal clear and our excellent manager [who wouldn't have joined us if he hadn't been convinced of ambition and resources] wants it that way. There will be sensible and gradual investment, appropriate to where we are at the time.

Let's revisit this in eighteen months.
 
Pinchy said:
It is no part of the plan to spend big in January. It never was. The club has made that crystal clear and our excellent manager [who wouldn't have joined us if he hadn't been convinced of ambition and resources] wants it that way. There will be sensible and gradual investment, appropriate to where we are at the time.
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If we retain both Maguire and Long, that also needs to be taken into account when you consider what impact the Prince has had. We are no longer under pressure to sell. Had he not come in I doubt they would still be with us come February.
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
If he'd got 25 would make me feel different
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Not easy finding a 25 goal scoring machine, we certainly have to flash out the cash but in this leauge it won't be easy to attract the goal scoring names, personally thought we could have realistically gone for Wells but he is off to hudders now :(.
Paynter not being the most ideal player might do a job for us this season but he's not a player I want to be leading the lines next season. Well he has from know to the end of the season to prove his worth and change some of our minds.
 
Pinchy said:
HRH would not have got involved had he not intended to make a difference. Your proposition is founded, understandably I suppose, on the usual cynicism but, on this occasion, makes no sense.

The Prince has already funded the Baxter and Cuvelier signings. He has committed substantial time and executive resources in the shape of Jim Phipps. We are not dealing with Samantha Hashimi here. He is the nephew of the King of Saudi Arabia and has far better things to do with his time than be part of some crazy sham involvement in a Third Division club,

It is no part of the plan to spend big in January. It never was. The club has made that crystal clear and our excellent manager [who wouldn't have joined us if he hadn't been convinced of ambition and resources] wants it that way. There will be sensible and gradual investment, appropriate to where we are at the time.

Let's revisit this in eighteen months.
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So if it never was the plan to spend big in January then i hope the "prince" realises we could be a division 4 club by May.
 
Living In a Fantasy World said:
Not easy finding a 25 goal scoring machine, we certainly have to flash out the cash but in this leauge it won't be easy to attract the goal scoring names, personally thought we could have realistically gone for Wells but he is off to hudders now :(.
Paynter not being the most ideal player might do a job for us this season but he's not a player I want to be leading the lines next season. Well he has from know to the end of the season to prove his worth and change some of our minds.
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Might be difficult to find a 25 goal man but I'm just pointing out to those that are excited by his signing that 13 for a team that was doing well isn't that spectacular.

Also last time I saw him play [Keepmoat against us] he was toss, did nowt except a sly off the ball cowards challenge.

Come on billy prove me wrong but having not heard his name mentioned much [if at all] on the radio today after he came on I'm not holding my breath.
 
True enough but we've had some stinkers recent years. We've had some quality in the past but of late most loans have just served to make the first 11 weaker.

Now Falkirk, they know how to spot a loanee!
 
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