Clough recognises Morgan and Ward's contribution

[Pinchy]

your bile knows no bounds does it
Morgan is a minor member , not what Clough instills

We are a club , a team if he is given the tea ladys job hes still important , to the club
Clough involves everyone thats still there, till such time as they are not required they are essential

Why this need to have such negativity towards the club , is being morbidly depressing really a good starting point to go forward
Id cheer the groundsman cutting the grass just now , Cloughs leadership is responsible for the upturn , but theres no harm doing patting on the back all the staff as its a TEAM effort

is this the bit you have trouble with , is not being able to focus on a scapegoat hurting

Not in the least. I'm delighted with the way the club is going and Morgan can stay as long as the Manager wants him so far as I'm concerned (but not a second longer - he's not entitled to a job for life).

I haven't been negative towards the club. I very rarely am. It's my club and I love it. I do, however, expose uncomfortable truths about players, managers and, sadly but necessarily, fellow supporters, because many of you allow your parochialism to overwhelm your judgement, and that's not in the best interests of our club.

Decision makers at SUFC are presently engaged in turning us into a proper football club headlined by a team playing proper football. It won't happen overnight. The watchwords are time and patience. The process must not, however, be derailed, or even delayed, by those who cling to the outdated and discredited gospels of Dinosaur Dave, Ol' Big Nose or Semi-Pro. Those who will now chart our path should be able to rest assured that these football backwoodsmen speak only for themselves and those in the same back yard. The silent majority want proper football. They want passing with purpose. They want to be entertained. They've had enough of alehouse football (long ago, if truth be told) and don't want it back, thank you very much. I'll carry on speaking for myself and for that silent majority. If that means ruffling a few feathers, so be it.

We've now got a great manager who, given help from a much misunderstood chairman and his new partner, will bring some entertainment and success to our club. I'm completely behind him, and resent ridiculous attempts to dilute his attributes by veiled suggestions that, somehow, it's all down to Morgan.

You know, left to my own devices I would, very likely, not have taken part in this discussion at all. Retrace your steps and look what happened. It starts with two sensible posts from itsinyerblood and SwissBlade, concentrating on what a very good manager we are lucky enough to have. The third poster, Sothall_Blade, for bizarre reasons best known to himself, chooses to embark upon an attack on me based on something written months ago, by me, in a very particular context. As ever, that previous argument was not started by me either, but by someone who thought it proper to aim an obscene insult at David Weir. Those of you with sufficient time and inclination (none, I trust!) can search it out at your leisure.

 

[boo radley]

Interesting

 

[alcoblade]

Not forgotten by all. Some maintain he was sacked too soon...

Either way, his priases were definitely sung too early, in his eleventh failed attempt to escape England's third division. There's no need to start such guff again.

UTB

 

[blade too long]

I just think it was harsh to be over critical of Morgan , who had the post thrust upon him when he clearly wasnt ready last april, that wasnt his fault , he was still feeling his way into coaching after the huge disapointment of his career being abruptly curtailed in our service , and a major contribution into why we were relegated , his absence in the relegation battle , to blame him for not winning at Yeovil is like putting you in charge of air traffic control at east midlands airport after 4 hours of playing on sega landing a plane and 2 planes colliding and you getting the blame.
He was never going to turn down the chance being so loyal , and was probably hoping players would re emerge from their drop in standards after new year that season, but they didnt, had they not conceded in the last minute to only draw with brentford I believe the outcome would have been very different , that one moment crushed the honeymoon effect and Morgans tenure, but it was a few players that werent performing that cost us, notMorgan

 

[JohnDenver]

Either way, his priases were definitely sung too early, in his eleventh failed attempt to escape England's third division. There's no need to start such guff again.

UTB

You started it!

 

[super_pig]

i rather liked cotterill.. he was an excellent striker of the ball.. ok he didn't track back enough.. but he's a bloody winger

 

[dublin 10 blade]

This forum us getting more like Bladesmad by the minute

Judging by the amount of '' posts '' starting to appear about the pigs you could be right .

 

[Bergen Blade]

Instinct and experience. It usually serves me well.

Sorry, don't think that's a well backed up argument. There is probably another geezer somewhere who thinks he'll do well.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Instinct and experience. It usually serves me well.

As you rightly say, what he does in Norway is meaningless.

What lets you down is when you start spouting about things you actually know very little about to try to justify a particular stance. When you say that Morgan is a minor member of the first team coaching staff, you are wrong. Might be your opinion, but its wrong. Similarly, to say that any praise dished out to Morgan from Clough must be nothing other than a PR stunt is fairly stupid. In truth, you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes or how Morgan is regarded by Clough, do you?

Ah well, somebody had to inherit Len's mantle I suppose.......

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Come on Pinchy, it's only a bit of banter and debate on my part. Certainly not a personal "attack".
You're being remarkably sensitive for somebody who accuses people of being racist EDL members if they disagree with your opinion on Bassett.

It's great news that you'll continue to "expose uncomfortable truths about players, managers and fellow supporters" but don't be surprised if they point out that the truths you've exposed have proved to be totally wrong. (i.e. Weir and/or Clough will quickly get rid of "Useless" Morgan).

 

[Pinchy]

What lets you down is when you start spouting about things you actually know very little about to try to justify a particular stance. When you say that Morgan is a minor member of the first team coaching staff, you are wrong. Might be your opinion, but its wrong. Similarly, to say that any praise dished out to Morgan from Clough must be nothing other than a PR stunt is fairly stupid. In truth, you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes or how Morgan is regarded by Clough, do you?

Ah well, somebody had to inherit Len's mantle I suppose.......

You're clearly in the know, Nick. Put me right.

Still pining for Harry?

 

[Pinchy]

Sorry, don't think that's a well backed up argument. There is probably another geezer somewhere who thinks he'll do well.

Well he did play (superbly let it be said) for United. I guess it follows that, just like Wilder, Holdsworth, Peschisolodo, Scott and, who could forget, Morgan, he's destined for managerial greatness.

 

[Bergen Blade]

Well he did play (superbly let it be said) for United. I guess it follows that, just like Wilder, Holdsworth, Peschisolodo, Scott and, who could forget, Morgan, he's destined for managerial greatness.

Are you trying to say that Brian Deane won't make a manager because he played for United?

 

[Pinchy]

Are you trying to say that Brian Deane won't make a manager because he played for United?

No. I am saying that playing for United doesn't make him a manager. That will come as a surprise to many of our fans, judging by the absurd suggestions we get every time there is a vacancy (Morgan being a recent example). I also say that Deane would be a great deal more advanced in his coaching/manager career by now, if he were ever going to make a success of it.

Would any of us have the slightest interest in Deane's management prospects if he hadn't played for us? Of course not, and the same goes for the other towering talents I've named.

 

[alcoblade]

No. I am saying that playing for United doesn't make him a manager. That will come as a surprise to many of our fans, judging by the absurd suggestions we get every time there is a vacancy (Morgan being a recent example). I also say that Deane would be a great deal more advanced in his coaching/manager career by now, if he were ever going to make a success of it.

Would any of us have the slightest interest in Deane's management prospects if he hadn't played for us? Of course not, and the same goes for the other towering talents I've named.

You seem to suggest being interested in the careers and holding a special affections for players who've done the business for their club is a behaviour only seen in Sheffield United fans. Quite simply, it's you with their head in the clouds and not the wider fanbase. Why on earth you hold our own fans in such contempt, only you know.

UTB

 

[Bergen Blade]

No. I am saying that playing for United doesn't make him a manager. That will come as a surprise to many of our fans, judging by the absurd suggestions we get every time there is a vacancy (Morgan being a recent example). I also say that Deane would be a great deal more advanced in his coaching/manager career by now, if he were ever going to make a success of it.

Would any of us have the slightest interest in Deane's management prospects if he hadn't played for us? Of course not, and the same goes for the other towering talents I've named.

So you're writing Deane off based on him not yet being successful in England. Did you use the same reasoning when assessing the appointment of David Weir?

 

[Rodley]

What lets you down is when you start spouting about things you actually know very little about to try to justify a particular stance. When you say that Morgan is a minor member of the first team coaching staff, you are wrong. Might be your opinion, but its wrong. Similarly, to say that any praise dished out to Morgan from Clough must be nothing other than a PR stunt is fairly stupid. In truth, you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes or how Morgan is regarded by Clough, do you?

Ah well, somebody had to inherit Len's mantle I suppose.......

To be fair to Len he was a bit less pompous

 

[Northyorksblade]

Yes, but just as tedious

 

[Sirius]

Are you trying to say that Brian Deane won't make a manager because he played for United?

Great managers, who played for United. It may be a small number, but quality over quantity. as always.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you, the one and only Jimmy Hagan.

 

[Silent Blade]

Great managers, who played for United. It may be a small number, but quality over quantity. as always.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you, the one and only Jimmy Hagan.

Herbert Chapman played for us in early 1900s (he played in that game against Bury in 1902- you can see some of the footage in you tube) and as a manager got trophies for Huddersfield (2 league titles and 1 FA Cup) and Arsenal (2 league titles and 1 FA Cup too) before he died at the premature age of 55. George Raynor played a County Cup game in early 1930s and as manager took Sweden to the 1958 World Cup final. Alex Sabella could be a World Cup winner in 6 months time!

 

[jezzablade]

Not much substance amidst the Bladey, S2 waffle, is there.

"Knows the club...so much to give...says what he thinks....SUFC through and through....etc...etc."

None of that has anything to do with his ability to coach or manage a football team. It could apply to the groundsman, the tea lady or the office cat.

What you, and other Bladey S2 Blades, are saying is: "Good old Morgs, he gets stuck in, been around a long time, give him a job".

Precisely the sort of ludicrous attitude that also demands "Bring back Steady/Cotts/Blackman/ Insert random mediocrity who once played for us. Precisely the sort of myopic parochialism that pervades and embarrasses our club - We'd have Dinosaur Dave and Ol' Big Nose as joint directors of Hoofball if many of you got what you actually want. That's why you want to laud Morgan at the expense of the excellent manager we've actually got. There'd have been 6000 chanting Morgan's name at Villa, if he were in charge. For the man who really deserves praise; whose laces Morgan will never be fit to tie - nothing!

So, it really goes like this for Bladey Blades -
Good result - thank heaven we've got Morgan on the coaching staff.
Bad result - blame Clough - give it to good old Muckanettles - Upanatem.

What you carefully ignore of course, is that we've seen Morgan the Manager - we saw how well he can cope with a big match at Yeovil - "I thought we might be able to nick a goal...We played well!!!" Brilliant Morgs, Brilliant!

We've also seen his unremarkable tenure with the development squad, where, apparently, he had to be told to revise his coaching methods to accommodate playing football.

If he had any ability at all someone would have given him a job by now. There's plenty of managerial and coaching positions becoming vacant all the time in football - your hero never gets a mention, does he? Still he's loyal and hard working; he can head a ball and kick it a long way. He's been around a long time...

It's the Bladesfans' Way.

I realise you were quoted Pinchey and therefore the rant has come back in a defence. But you are really going too far. Morgs is a useful member of the backroom team. Cloughy said that when he walked through the door and saw how in a couple of weeks he had turned around poor results into positive results, which he heralded. He also used Morgs to find out about the club and was able to find out more information quickly by doing that. It is also worth keeping one person who has contact with all elements of the club to keep abreast of the playing staff at all levels.
Morgs was a great captain and leader and therefore possesses leadership skills which he used well in his second stint as caretaker. He himself realised he lacks some technical knowledge so he brought in a technical advisor to look at that aspect. That is tremendous managerial skill to know and admit a weakness and bring someone in to fill that gap.
So to have a go at such a guy is silly as he has a good job to do at the lane and Clough is well aware of Morgs capabilities and therefore correctly brought them to light to demonstrate his admiration for him. Whatever you said in the past about Morgs is in the past Clough was not saying Morgs is a great manager he was praising his current efforts. That's good management.

 

[Silent Blade]

I wouldnt worry about Pinchy. He is a Lenners "wannabe"