CONFIRMED Jesurun Rak-Sakyi joins on season long loan

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Part of the problem is that Gilchrist isn't a fullback/wingback and doesn't get forward enough to help JRS out with the threat of an overlap. Because of that it is too easy for the opposition to double up on him. When the opposition has a skilful and pacy wide player it makes it even harder for Gilchrist to provide any support.
However, our results show that the two together aren't letting us down and bearing in mind that one is 20yrs old and the other 22, then we should cut them some slack.
Both players have a lot to learn and that is why their clubs have sent them out on loan.
We are top of the league, no need to give our players a hard time, it's a tough league and these kids aren't letting us down.
 

LondonBlade89 said:
This is probably the first time in his career he’s playing 90 minutes week in, week out. And during a very congested time. It’s no surprise he’ll have games where he looks either short of ideas or runs or fairly knackered from quite early on. Quite why Wilder isn’t mixing in Brooks to start some matches is beyond me and must be based on something I’m not seeing, ie. training pitch.
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What did you see or Brooks on a matchday pitch that warranted minutes?
Or is it just through default (JRS form dipping) that you think he deserves a chance?

Not being facetious by the way, I just haven't understood the recent clamour for him.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
What did you see or Brooks on a matchday pitch that warranted minutes?
Or is it just through default (JRS form dipping) that you think he deserves a chance?

Not being facetious by the way, I just haven't understood the recent clamour for him.
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It’s probably a mixture of the two things. It’s obvious that JRS is experiencing a dip in form. I think the best thing for him and the team is to take him out of the starting lineup for a match or two and bring him off the bench. Brooks is for me the obvious replacement. I know he needs to work on his end product and there were signs of his confidence falling somewhat, but he’s skilful, he carries the ball well and his issues are things which can only really be worked on by investing some time and showing some support in him. I do find his recent lack of usage a bit surprising. For me he just seems like a no brainer replacement to slot in to give JRS a bit of a break.
 
not been overly impressed by rak-saki hes obviously influenced by saka always turning inside but saka can go outside as well and cross with his right foot another thing i dont understand is why we never switch him over to the left when teams double up on him hamer showed at millwall how effective he can be on the right
 
brownblade said:
You're not impressed with the many many times he's dribbled past a player(s) this season?! Or his goals or assists?

He's been far from perfect, but in his flow he's probably one of the best talents in the league. In my opinion.

I've said a couple of times this season already, with no disrespect intended to anyone including JRS, that there's no chance Palace would want him near their first team yet. He's not been consistently good enough yet at this level. In my opinion
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brownblade said:
You're not impressed with the many many times he's dribbled past a player(s) this season?! Or his goals or assists?

He's been far from perfect, but in his flow he's probably one of the best talents in the league. In my opinion.

I've said a couple of times this season already, with no disrespect intended to anyone including JRS, that there's no chance Palace would want him near their first team yet. He's not been consistently good enough yet at this level. In my opinion.
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He's got 2 assists this season and 4 goals. Hardly the creative force is he? Constantly cuts back inside never drives his man to the byline so YES I'm still yet to be impressed or convinced he's the next best thing!
 
RecordBreakers said:
He's got 2 assists this season and 4 goals. Hardly the creative force is he? Constantly cuts back inside never drives his man to the byline so YES I'm still yet to be impressed or convinced he's the next best thing!
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It's not bad, to be fair.
If he finishes on 10 goals and 5 assists that would be a really successful loan spell you'd say?
I don't think McAtee's numbers were much better than that and he was universally appreciated..

He'd only need a small up-tick in form to achieve that and I think that's probable once the better weather kicks in and he's on more favourable pitches (McAtee also kicked on in the second half).
 
I'd be more than happy with 10 goals an 5 assists. But your suggesting we may have to wait until the weather improves for him to achieve this? He's no player I want in this squad or any other if that's the case!!
 
CaptainMorgans said:
It's not bad, to be fair.
If he finishes on 10 goals and 5 assists that would be a really successful loan spell you'd say?
I don't think McAtee's numbers were much better than that and he was universally appreciated..

He'd only need a small up-tick in form to achieve that and I think that's probable once the better weather kicks in and he's on more favourable pitches (McAtee also kicked on in the second half).
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It's a better return than O'Hare.
 
Norwood's 6 iron said:
Part of the problem is that Gilchrist isn't a fullback/wingback and doesn't get forward enough to help JRS out with the threat of an overlap. Because of that it is too easy for the opposition to double up on him. When the opposition has a skilful and pacy wide player it makes it even harder for Gilchrist to provide any support.
However, our results show that the two together aren't letting us down and bearing in mind that one is 20yrs old and the other 22, then we should cut them some slack.
Both players have a lot to learn and that is why their clubs have sent them out on loan.
We are top of the league, no need to give our players a hard time, it's a tough league and these kids aren't letting us down.
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There are countless times when Gilchrist or Seriki have over-lapped and Rak-Sakyi has ignored them and gone inside instead and then lost the ball. They support him throughout matches and he refuses to use him.

I also don't buy into this "teams always double on him" either. When he is out wide only the full back pays him attention as the two centre backs are paying attention to the lone striker and waiting for O'Hare to run into the box. As soon as Rak-Sakyi cuts inside the full back follows him and then the nearest centre back leaves the striker for his partner and comes to support the full back. If he stayed out wide then he'd only have the full back to take on. Any doubling up on him is through his constant cutting inside, giving them the chance to do so.

I don't rate him at all. His defensive work is non-existent and he rarely creates anything due to cutting inside all the time. Rak-Sakyi has zero awareness of other players around him free in space and all he knows is cut inside and try to run through a brick wall, or try to pass the ball through a player stood directly in front of him. Forward, forwards, forwards. It's all he knows.

He frustrates the hell out of me as I know that he'll just lose the ball all match and leave our full back with no cover. As soon as I saw he was starting with One yesterday I knew we wouldn't rip Plymouth a new one.

The irritating thing is that we can't drop Rak-Sakyi as there's no one to replace him until at least January.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
There are countless times when Gilchrist or Seriki have over-lapped and Rak-Sakyi has ignored them and gone inside instead and then lost the ball. They support him throughout matches and he refuses to use him.

I also don't buy into this "teams always double on him" either. When he is out wide only the full back pays him attention as the two centre backs are paying attention to the lone striker and waiting for O'Hare to run into the box. As soon as Rak-Sakyi cuts inside the full back follows him and then the nearest centre back leaves the striker for his partner and comes to support the full back. If he stayed out wide then he'd only have the full back to take on. Any doubling up on him is through his constant cutting inside, giving them the chance to do so.

I don't rate him at all. His defensive work is non-existent and he rarely creates anything due to cutting inside all the time. Rak-Sakyi has zero awareness of other players around him free in space and all he knows is cut inside and try to run through a brick wall, or try to pass the ball through a player stood directly in front of him. Forward, forwards, forwards. It's all he knows.

He frustrates the hell out of me as I know that he'll just lose the ball all match and leave our full back with no cover. As soon as I saw he was starting with One yesterday I knew we wouldn't rip Plymouth a new one.

The irritating thing is that we can't drop Rak-Sakyi as there's no one to replace him until at least January.
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Alleluia. Agree 100%. I have been saying this for weeks.
 

Tony_Kaufman said:
There are countless times when Gilchrist or Seriki have over-lapped and Rak-Sakyi has ignored them and gone inside instead and then lost the ball. They support him throughout matches and he refuses to use him.
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I've watched the last few games really carefully and can't agree with your observation re: Gilchrist overlapping.
He very, very rarely follows his pass and often checks back after making it.
He almost never offers as an attacking option down that side.
 
Norwood's 6 iron said:
Part of the problem is that Gilchrist isn't a fullback/wingback and doesn't get forward enough to help JRS out with the threat of an overlap. Because of that it is too easy for the opposition to double up on him. When the opposition has a skilful and pacy wide player it makes it even harder for Gilchrist to provide any support.
However, our results show that the two together aren't letting us down and bearing in mind that one is 20yrs old and the other 22, then we should cut them some slack.
Both players have a lot to learn and that is why their clubs have sent them out on loan.
We are top of the league, no need to give our players a hard time, it's a tough league and these kids aren't letting us down.
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One of JRS’s problems is his lack of awareness as to where he should be both defensively and when attacking, but that will come as he plays more and is coached.
His main problem is that he receives balls from Gilchrist that he can do nothing with other than pass them back: that is usually not his fault.
I did notice yesterday that he was often in space having made a decent run, but no one spotted it or if they did chose not to give it him. I wonder if he thinks that this loan is what he wants/needs.
 
I think we've half a chance of signing JRS if we get promoted. He has the potential to hurt Prem defences, UNDOUBTEDLY. But as I say, he's not good enough for Palace yet - will he become a mid table Prem player... Well the jury is clearly out in this thread alone.

Though admittedly I've never been a big fan of Sarr, he's who JRS would be trying to replicate/displace.
 
Tony_Kaufman said:
There are countless times when Gilchrist or Seriki have over-lapped and Rak-Sakyi has ignored them and gone inside instead and then lost the ball. They support him throughout matches and he refuses to use him.

I also don't buy into this "teams always double on him" either. When he is out wide only the full back pays him attention as the two centre backs are paying attention to the lone striker and waiting for O'Hare to run into the box. As soon as Rak-Sakyi cuts inside the full back follows him and then the nearest centre back leaves the striker for his partner and comes to support the full back. If he stayed out wide then he'd only have the full back to take on. Any doubling up on him is through his constant cutting inside, giving them the chance to do so.

He frustrates the hell out of me as I know that he'll just lose the ball all match and leave our full back with no cover. As soon as I saw he was starting with One yesterday I knew we wouldn't rip Plymouth a new
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Rak-Sakyi and Seriki have only started two games together, in which we have scored 5 goals. Sometimes it is the threat down one flank that creates space down another. Some people are suggesting that Rak-Sakyi should play on the left, but all that would do is occupy the space that Burrows attacks into.
Admittedly Rak-Sakyi frustrates me too, but we can only assume that Wilder is happy with the way he plays as there doesn't seem to be an effort to persuade him to take his man on the outside.
Once he is fit I would still like to see Seriki given the opportunity to play in front of Gilchrist. He would help out defensively but also as you say keep the full back out wide as he wouldn't be trying to cut inside all the time.
 
CaptainMorgans said:
I've watched the last few games really carefully and can't agree with your observation re: Gilchrist overlapping.
He very, very rarely follows his pass and often checks back after making it.
He almost never offers as an attacking option down that side.
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Spot on, to be fair to Gilchrist he isn't a natural wide player, to me he looked far happier playing more central alongside Robinson at West Brom.
 
Palace fan here again.

I think its clear that we aren't particularly impressed by JRS recent run of form either.

We've all seen the flashes of potential, when he is on form he is a serious player that terrifies defenders.

One very important thing to remember is this though - JRS joined you on a long, painful path back from long-term injury. He had barely played any competitive football for a year. This spell of tough games in quick succession is probably the hardest he's ever had to push his injury-prone body in his whole career so far, and he looks almost broken. I'm a little scared he will break down completely and get injured again.

I hope he comes through this difficult period and emerges as a tougher, more consistent player, but the Jury is out right now isn't it.

On a more positive note, I've been enjoying following Sheffield United this season, and my bet for Sheffield United to get promoted is looking like a serious runner :)
 
If Wilder is unwilling to give Brooks even 1 minute on the pitch in his place then we need to sign someone who'll provide serious competition

Can't have him sauntering around knowing he's an automatic pick for the rest of the season
 
eur said:
Palace fan here again.

I think its clear that we aren't particularly impressed by JRS recent run of form either.

We've all seen the flashes of potential, when he is on form he is a serious player that terrifies defenders.

One very important thing to remember is this though - JRS joined you on a long, painful path back from long-term injury. He had barely played any competitive football for a year. This spell of tough games in quick succession is probably the hardest he's ever had to push his injury-prone body in his whole career so far, and he looks almost broken. I'm a little scared he will break down completely and get injured again.

I hope he comes through this difficult period and emerges as a tougher, more consistent player, but the Jury is out right now isn't it.

On a more positive note, I've been enjoying following Sheffield United this season, and my bet for Sheffield United to get promoted is looking like a serious runner :)
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He will come good, like a lot of our team lately he's looked tired lately but he will be stronger for it in the long run
 
Hamandcheese said:
If Wilder is unwilling to give Brooks even 1 minute on the pitch in his place then we need to sign someone who'll provide serious competition

Can't have him sauntering around knowing he's an automatic pick for the rest of the season
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Brooks is at a stage where if he's not getting minutes with us he needs loaning out so he can get his experience and confidence up.
 

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