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FlamingLip said:
Taking aim at seniors for both our h&a atmosphere is a cop out. Maybe our support is, ya know, OKish on the whole, and not extraordinary. Leeds have a rep to self perpetuate and fair fucks they do it well. We're not organised for it and heavily dependent on performance/circumstances in front of us. We're Barry regular in comparison and always have been.
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I've seen how good our support has been home and away in other seasons (last season's abomination aside) and we used to be voted high out of the 92 clubs in best atmosphere polls. In my opinion we DO have a reputation to uphold/regain, and pretending we don't is a cop out.

I'm not taking aim at seniors for our home support issues (was quite happy with the last home game's atmosphere, though time will tell if it was a one-off), but obviously do feel they're benefiting too much from white hair privilege when it comes to away tickets after accumulating 18 years of loyalty points.
 
Fjortoft's Aeroplane said:
I've seen how good our support has been home and away in other seasons (last season's abomination aside) and we used to be voted high out of the 92 clubs in best atmosphere polls. In my opinion we DO have a reputation to uphold/regain, and pretending we don't is a cop out.

I'm not taking aim at seniors for our home support issues (was quite happy with the last home game's atmosphere, though time will tell if it was a one-off), but obviously do feel they're benefiting too much from white hair privilege when it comes to away tickets after accumulating 18 years of loyalty points.
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I was surrounded by 25-35 year olds at Leeds on Friday night - none of the senior citizens I see on a regular basis. There was plenty of noise around me prior to Leeds scoring, but stoney silence thereafter. From my observation when the chips are down, the support goes missing - on Friday a few fans tried to get some chants going but nobody joined in
 
CarlMcBlade said:
I’d sooner have lads staring down their pensions, who’ve actually been there, seen it and done it, than a bunch of little knob heads with a mobile phone welded to their hand, giving it large on the concourse for clicks…It’s also the same when you go to gigs.
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The assumption the young UN's are what you describe is part of the problem isn't it? The older generations were young 'uns going away once.
There has to be some kind of balance getting next generation through.
 
Blademan18891889 said:
Its Still not your seat as you stated
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I think you and Nick Jansky are on a bit of a tangent.
You can't have people just deciding to go and sit or stand in a seat someone else has bought a ticket for.
Likewise there is a good argument for moving blocks of people about, for example when creating safe standing. Needs to be done so people being moved don't end up in a crap place or away from who they want to sit with.
 
Fjortoft's Aeroplane said:
I've seen how good our support has been home and away in other seasons (last season's abomination aside) and we used to be voted high out of the 92 clubs in best atmosphere polls. In my opinion we DO have a reputation to uphold/regain, and pretending we don't is a cop out.

I'm not taking aim at seniors for our home support issues (was quite happy with the last home game's atmosphere, though time will tell if it was a one-off), but obviously do feel they're benefiting too much from white hair privilege when it comes to away tickets after accumulating 18 years of loyalty points.
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How about not counting home points when selling away tickets? Be unfair to take points off fans with an eighteen year record of regular away attendance.

Again, how to so many sub 30 year olds get tickets? If by fair means, attending. My son is 24 and is heading towards 60k points. Someone who just wants ticket for big games really shouldn’t expect priority. Plus if you haven’t got 500 points, young kids apart, you haven’t been much anyway.
 
Greasy Chap Butty said:
I think you and Nick Jansky are on a bit of a tangent.
You can't have people just deciding to go and sit or stand in a seat someone else has bought a ticket for.
Likewise there is a good argument for moving blocks of people about, for example when creating safe standing. Needs to be done so people being moved don't end up in a crap place or away from who they want to sit with.
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Buying a season ticket is a contract. For a particular seat, subject to terms and conditions.
 

Grey Blade said:
I think there's possibly too much emphasis on loyalty points linked to season tickets. Whilst season ticket holders are doubtless loyal, loyalty points are (in the main) needed for away tickets and really should be acquired primarily by attending away games.
At the end of the day, the same fans will more than likely have top loyalty points whatever system is used.
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Aye
Season Ticket = 2700 points for 23 games
Away tickets (50 or 100 per game) = <2300

Some clubs (eg Slumderland) have ‘loyalty’ points purely for, (& solely applicable to) away games
Some (Hearts) had (?!) an ‘away season ticket’ account where you paid up front for all away fixtures with the +\- ‘balance’ adjusted at the end of the season- proved ‘controversial’ & complicated - not least because, given the end of season split, there was no definitive number of away league games.
Obvious complaints about not being able (willing ?) to get to all away games albeit that is little (no?) different to a ‘home’ season ticket ?
 
Sean Thornton said:
How about not counting home points when selling away tickets? Be unfair to take points off fans with an eighteen year record of regular away attendance.

Again, how to so many sub 30 year olds get tickets? If by fair means, attending. My son is 24 and is heading towards 60k points. Someone who just wants ticket for big games really shouldn’t expect priority. Plus if you haven’t got 500 points, young kids apart, you haven’t been much anyway.
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Unfair to take points off fans with an eighteen year record? Pretty much every other club has a system based on the last X years loyalty with older points dropping off. I don't see why our elder fans should be treated differently to those of most other clubs. Its unfair on younger fans to keep on as we are. That's not to say its impossible for them to get tickets, but it's certainly not equitable, they've got to be really hardcore to get a sniff or get lucky in the ballot (having points roll off would mean we can scrap the ballot). A fair amount of away games go to general sale, but if we keep our place in the top 6 much longer you can expect demand to ramp up.

And just in case anyone thinks I'm pushing this for my own benefit, I've been going since the 90s, I would personally lose out and not benefit from having points roll off, but I just care about the greater good, I care about being fair to younger people and I want the energy of the younger fans to help cheer us to victory.
 
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Fjortoft's Aeroplane said:
Unfair to take points off fans with an eighteen year record? Pretty much every other club has a system based on the last X years loyalty with older points dropping off. I don't see why our elder fans should be treated differently to those of most other clubs. Its unfair on younger fans to keep on as we are. That's not to say its impossible for them to get tickets ) but it's certainly not equitable, they've got to be really hardcore to get a sniff or get lucky in the ballot (having points roll off whould mean we can scrap the ballot). A fair amount of away games go to general sale, but if we keep our place in the top 6 much longer you can expect demand to ramp up.

And just in case anyone thinks I'm pushing this for my own benefit, I've been going since the 90s, I would personally lose out and not benefit from having points roll off, but I just care about the greater good, I care about being fair to younger people and I want the energy of the younger fans to help cheer us to victory.
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I said away record. Why should regular away fans lose out because someone want BBC a ticket for a big away game?
 
Sean Thornton said:
I said away record. Why should regular away fans lose out because someone want BBC a ticket for a big away game?
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It's still the same principle though. Even if you just focus on away record and forget home points. 6 years is plenty to assess loyalty. 18 years just benefits people lucky enough to be older.
 
Fjortoft's Aeroplane said:
I've seen how good our support has been home and away in other seasons (last season's abomination aside) and we used to be voted high out of the 92 clubs in best atmosphere polls. In my opinion we DO have a reputation to uphold/regain, and pretending we don't is a cop out.

I'm not taking aim at seniors for our home support issues (was quite happy with the last home game's atmosphere, though time will tell if it was a one-off), but obviously do feel they're benefiting too much from white hair privilege when it comes to away tickets after accumulating 18 years of loyalty points.
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Love the term 'White Hair Privilage'. 🤣 Fuck me, I'd kill for a healthy mop of white hair that's not my pubes, lucky bastards. When are the baldies going to get any preferential treatment, that's what I want to know.
 
You can put any system in place you want ,the same loyal bunch of fans will get the tickets because they are committed to the cause ,then the same moaners will moan when they can't get tickets for the odd match they want to attend .its happened since the beginning of time .utb
 
Greasy Chap Butty said:
I think you and Nick Jansky are on a bit of a tangent.
You can't have people just deciding to go and sit or stand in a seat someone else has bought a ticket for.
Likewise there is a good argument for moving blocks of people about, for example when creating safe standing. Needs to be done so people being moved don't end up in a crap place or away from who they want to sit with.
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You're bang on to be fair, have a whole reset of season tickets to accommodate the same people in every area that wants to be there, the kop should be an entire standing area, then people who want to and have to sit can go on the south and js, and upper tier, in an ideal world that's how it should be. We are the quietest stadium in the country these days, something has got to change.
 

Nick Jansky said:
Then you are wrong. Unless you can show me otherwise? I’ll wait…
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You did mention it 4 times it was your seat in one post that's all, not gonna carry on a pointless argument about it though, we all think differently, it's finding the right mix of people to sit/stand with similar minded people to improve everybody's experience of a match day
 
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